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Currently listening to El Momento Siguiente which is more of the rejiggering/revisiting that they did with the first El Momento... album. Track listing:

1. Wide Open Road
2. It's No Reason
3. Reptile
4. Tantalized
5. Electric Lash
6. After Everything
7. Song In The Afternoon
8. Two Places At Once
9. Appalatia
10. Bordello
11. Pure Chance
12. Grind
13. North South East West
14. Comeuppance

So far it's not quite as striking as the first one ("Two Places At Once" isn't altered that much from the original), but I love the sitar-drenched droneout on "Tantalized" and the reworking of "Electric Lash" into a Parsons-esque desert country song.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot to mention, the Triffids cover is GRATE

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Copying and pasting from the sandbox because it deserves to be posted here...

Has it leaked anywhere?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not yet damnit!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I jumped off the Church bandwagon after _Starfish_, too, and agree that everything up until then is mostly great. I've always known that their subsequent work was full of gems but never investigated. Here's a rough attempt at a post-Starfish best-of based on Allmusic picks, tracks that appeared on best-of's and tracks mentioned in this thread. Comments, additions, deletions?

Gold Afternoon Fix:
Metropolis
Russian Autumn Heart
You're Still Beautiful
Terra Nova Cain
Monday Morning

Priest=Aura:
Aura
Ripple
The Disillusionist
Feel
Lustre

Sometime Anywhere: (lots of disagreement about the best of this one!)
Lost My Touch
Angelica
Fly Home
Two Places At Once
Business Woman
Loveblind
Authority
Day Of The Dead

Magician Among The Spirits:
Come Down
It Could Be Anyone
Magician Among The Spirits
Welcome
Lady Boy

Hologram Of Baal:
Ricochet
No Certainty Attached
Another Earth
Louisiana

After Everything Now This:
The Awful Ache
Chromium
Night Friends
Numbers

Parallel Universe: no picks

Forget Yourself: no picks

Uninvited Like The Clouds:
Block
Easy
Day 5

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Forget Yourself: no picks

There is something incredibly wrong with that. Add "Sealine" and "The Theatre And Its Double"

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for those recommendations. I should've written "no picks from sources consulted", not because there was nothing to pick.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

[i] Child In Time [i]

I really would like to hear it!

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Enjoying El Momento Siguiente here -- really like the reworking of "Reptile." It occurs to me that if they did a third one of these (and I see no reason why not so long as it keeps with their generally healthy and hyperactive release schedule these days) then a complete reworking of Priest = Aura, which hasn't been touched yet, would be mindblowing.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Lordy, lordy. *Takes Deep Breath* That is a very intense concept.

There's only one track I really like on Forget Yourself, "Lay Low" I think. But I also seem to recall a good Koppes track on that, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...

Bimble, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I'm new to this Church thing called El Momento Siguiente - but I did order it and I'm hearing one song now called "All I Know" and it sounds fookin' great.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what album is amazing? magician among the spirits, the original with the cockney rebels cover. it's like their response to jehovahkill, it's fantastic.

f. hazel, Sunday, 18 March 2007 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. I don't know how I found the will to finally do this. But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". You can rag on the lyrics all you like, it's still a better tune than anything on the album up until that point. I will continue to try to find more worth in this thing just for the hell of it, but man. If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait! "Authority" is also very good...definitely a fave off this one.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...


That would be Hanging Out In Heaven

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yet ANOTHER album worth seeking out is the Isidore album with Kilbey and Jeffrey Cain from Remy Zero (I know I know, just ignore that part). It reminds me of some of the tracks from The Slow Crack and the Re-Formation.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.


The reworked version of "Day Of The Dead" that they were playing live in the late-90s is pretty spectacular. If they do a reverse-version of the El Momento albums with the moody stuff retooled into full-out electric band versions...

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. [...] But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". [...]"Authority" is also very good

"Business Woman" and "Authority" weren't supposed to be on Sometime Anywhere! Those spots in the running order were originally "Cut In Two" and "The Time Being" but the record company fiddled with it. They're still great songs, I especially love "Authority".

I think the strongest period for The Church was between Priest=Aura and Hologram of Baal, with Sometime Anywhere/Somewhere Else being their very best.

f. hazel, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the original with the cockney rebels cover

Of course you mean the Cockney Rebel cover. And I credit the Church with being at least 50% responsible for getting me into Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel later that year. I really owe them a lot for that. I remember willingly driving 2 hours to go buy the first couple of Steve Harley albums on vinyl. There was literally no other alternative in those days.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Also remember their drummer still plays with Kate Bush.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

heh, i keep thinking of the cockney rejects whenever i try and say cockney rebel!

f. hazel, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Then there is Mimesis.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Holy toledo of god, I think this El Momento Descuidado thing has really flipped my lid. When they do these old songs like Unguarded Moment I can't figure out if they're being flippant and playing a hilarious joke on me or if they're deadly serious. And what are these other songs I don't recognize, like "0408" and "November"?

I'm also realizing this isn't the same album Ned was talking about. Descuidado is not the same as Siguiente. And there's no Reptile on here, either. SIGH. I feel so far behind...

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"Constant in Opal" has been one of my no.1 jams this past week.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"A New Season" ARRRRGGGH!!! That is one of my FAVE KOPPES TUNES! YES!

Okay hell with Amazon. I'm going to the shop tomorrow in search of this Siguiente thing.

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

el momento siguiente has only been out since january... you're not that far behind! i'm still on hologram of baal!

it's like the church is a video game.

f. hazel, Sunday, 25 March 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahah...well you see my excuse is that After Everything Now This or whatever it was called was so disappointing that I couldn't have given a rat's ass about them for at least a few years had passed. Anyway it doesn't matter now because this shit is even better than whatever the name of that thing was that they released in 2006. Which is saying a lot.

I have officially reunited with a long time favourite band after 9 years and I am HAPPY!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) Let the angels play their harps! Heaven can't be far from here!

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, where's Tim Finney, damnit? Isn't that his name? You know the Tim I mean, where is he?

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the version of Reptile on Siguiente kicks arse. ooooh YEAH.

I think Tom Waits could take some pointers from that. Unbelievable.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this version of Tantalized?? It's like they decided to do Tomorrow Never Knows, sortof. I am floored. I have been floored.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I highly recommend eating curry while listening to that.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this "Song In The Afternoon"? God have they sounded that good? In the last ten years? Really? WHEN?

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're telling me "Bordello" is an original? Not a cover? Is it? Is it a cover?? I don't have the CD in the post yet, it's on its way to me so I can't check the credits. Is that a cover or what???

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

When they do these old songs like Unguarded Moment I can't figure out if they're being flippant and playing a hilarious joke on me or if they're deadly serious.


Obviously, the answer is YES

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bordello" is a new song

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay now wait a minute here - is "0408" off Descuidado the best thing they've ever done in their entire career, or...? I mean I realize there's some stiff competition on these two albums but holy...

I've got a taste for the Church crack, man. Siguiente and Descuidado. Not perrfect, but damn near shy of it.

Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Puurfekt

Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Are we talking pre or post Performa-Fog?

Jamesy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

Kilbey's blog is really exceptional this time, I think with this Bardo entry:

http://stevekilbey.blogspot.com/

Bimble, Saturday, 7 July 2007 05:53 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Okay I'm tired of being virtually the only one who wants to talk about the two El Momento discs, El Momento Descuidado & El Momento Siguiente. I honestly do not think they have been this good since Hologram of Baal, freaking 9 years ago, bless their hearts. But I admit the discs are spotty so I have made a comp. of my fave tracks:

1. Wide Open Road (I love how he goes "NOW! You can go anywhere..." it's the perfect romantic heartbreak song, that thing of being in the now and facing a future even though you're stuck painfully in the past)

2. 0408 (I like this one almost as much as "Invisible"...the piano is killer and the acoustic guitar riff is nearly as infectious as "Invisible"'s)

3. That new version of Reptile (oh my god that little scat vocal thing he does at the end is priceless! And the fact that he starts it off with a HISSSS like a snake is fucking classic on top of it)

4. November

5. Chromium (some nice falsetto work from Marty)

6. Song In The Afternoon (this one's pretty hypnotizing, I must say)

7. A New Season (better than the original? maybe not, but damn close)

8. Appalatia

9. Bordello (god, this one is weird, have they ever sounded *that* rock and roll before?? That is some bad ass shit, you half expect Steve to start wearing spandex and rock star sunglasses)

10. Tristesse (every bit as enjoyable as the original, I think)

11. Invisible (my favourite of the lot and a riff that has a tendency to go around and around in my brain incessantly)

12. NSEW (North, South, East, West)(nah, not as good as the original, but it's interesting to hear the lyics clearly)

13. Between Mirages

14. Comeuppance

One complaint with these two discs: the version of Grind pales in comparison to the "Acoustic Version" found on the Terra Nova Cain U.S. promo 12". Uh..available on the internet like everything else.

Bimble, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 05:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Bimble - thanks for this, I find these sorts of things very, very helpful. Mostly because I'm too lazy to figure out my own comp! Excellent mix - 7 tracks from each volume, half new and half rerecordings.

So I just finished listening and it's quite fine. 0408 is clearly a standout as is Bordello and Song In The Afternoon. Wide Open Road is a cover - one of the finest songs from Weddings Parties Anything. Not sure about Reptile, though - the original is such a MONSTER that this new version is interesting but desperately missing the soundscape of the original. Agree that Invisible is greatly enhanced, though, with NSEW also benefiting from this treatment.

Meanwhile I'm loving the post-Starfish comp I made (listed unthread with some alterations).

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Wide Open Road is a cover - one of the finest songs from Weddings Parties Anything

"Wide Open Road" was done by the Triffids originally. WPA also covered it.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 July 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Meantime as long as this is revived, the band sent around this bulletin on Myspace today:

the church created the soundtrack to Shriek, a short film based on the book. The film will be available on the internet next week. World Fantasy Award Winner Jeff VanderMeer’s novel Shriek: An Afterword is out in trade paperback in the U.S. this week.

In the meantime, you can visit the Shriek site http://www.shriekthenovel.com for more information, including a trailer of the film and a couple of soundtrack samples.

Shriek movie trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OC_luLwJ64

More news soon about the Shriek music being available on the internet.

"Being able to get The Church for the soundtrack is a great example of synergy," VanderMeer says. "I wrote the novel while listening to The Church's entire catalogue, so for them to turn around and agree to do the music fit the movie perfectly."

According to Steve Kilbey from The Church, "It's great to make music that'll be heard along with something visual. Collaborating with media other than music sparks ideas for our own music, too." Kilbey and Tim Powles from the band contributed a voice-over for part of the film. Kilbey’s art is also featured."

VanderMeer's previous books have made the year's best lists of Amazon.com, Publishers Weekly, LA Weekly, The San Francisco Chronicle, and many others. He is widely regarded as one of the finest fantasists of his generation, and Shriek: An Afterward was recently hailed as, “Masterful....fans of Mark Z. Danielewski, Angela Carter and Borges will be well rewarded,” in a starred review from Publishers Weekly.

"There came a force so beguiling that even a cold-minded scholar must surrender to it. There came a war so strange that bullets became delicacies. There came a night so terrible no one could name it. And one man’s obsession may hold the key to the survival of a city….An epic yet personal look at several decades of life, love, war, and death in the famed city of Ambergris, the Afterword relates the scandalous, heartbreaking, and horrifying secret history of two squabbling siblings and their confidantes, protectors, and enemies."

“After a moment the creature blushed into a haze of purple-blue-green, then back to gold, but a more vibrant shade. Duncan poured more water over the creature. It seemed to crack apart, fissures erupting across its skin at regular intervals. But no-it was merely opening up, each of its four legs unfurling, to settle upside down on the floor. Immediately, it leapt up, spun, and landed, cilia down, revealed as a kind of starfish.” —From Shriek: An Afterword

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link

what would be more interesting is if the Church recorded the soundtrack for Shrek

Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

"Wide Open Road" was done by the Triffids originally. WPA also covered it.

God, I hate egg on my hipster face. Good on yer for correcting me.

But WPA deserves more mentions on ILM anyway.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 26 July 2007 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG Curtis is so right. As I skimmed through that post, my mind read "Shrek" every time. I was really confused.

Bimble, Saturday, 28 July 2007 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link

They're starting to upload various videoclips from last year's tour on their myspace site. Nice.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Does anyone else like Mimesis, this project Steve Kilbey did with Simon Polinski and John Kilbey and other folks? This CD is a real headtrip. Makes me feel like I'm on acid even when totally sober. Actually, though, if Ned hadn't mentioned it, it would have slipped by me totally.

Bimble, Monday, 3 September 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Meantime, the not-bad-at-all neogaze band Tearwave have done a not-bad-at-all cover of "Under the Milky Way" -- on their myspace:

http://myspace.com/tearwave

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 September 2007 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Hell yeah, that's nice music. Not bad at all. I appreciate the faithfulness of the guitar solo. One of her other songs sounded good, too. Plus, I love her blue hair.

But honestly I'm just amazed that anyone bothered to revive a Church thread besides me. I've felt very alone in my Church love of late. Maybe I should join their mailing list again like I was in '95-'96 or whatever. Assuming they still have a mailing list. They're really one of my absolute fave bands ever on the planet. The weird thing was that whenever something really really painful happened to me in life, suddenly a new album by them was out to sink my sorrow into. This happened three times. But not this year. No, this year I'm just so happy they sound better than ever.

Bimble, Sunday, 16 September 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link


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