Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

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I didn't mean inoffensive as an insult but it's not exactly a bragging point either.

congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

is that HRO link worth clicking on?

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Is an HRO link ever worth clicking on?

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

without apparently doing anything particularly original or special, an album by an indie outfit that 'builds upon' previous works becomes one of the most talked-about and feted records of the year

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

why

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Writing solid, non-novelty, hooky album earns band fans. Who would've thought it???

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i think we are confusing 'novelty' with 'interesting' maybe?

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

You're right. You've convinced me. I actually find the album very boring and I've been lying for the indie cred that I thought such a position might reward me.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

dood, u been jaggerd

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

ha i'm just saying that the word 'novelty' is loaded with inappropriate connotations - it is as if experimentation or originality is some kind of non-serious jape - i do not like the word

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Mordy oddly prescient. just wasted twenty seconds of my life skimming another worthless tl;dr Carles post.

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

incidentally nothing against VW but the pattern in my first post there is endlessly, endlessly recurring imo - it is not their fault they get 1500-post threads when other bands get maybe a couple of mentions

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

That's some Geir-level critique imo. Band must be original as only standard of value?

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

no i didn't say that

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

xp to alfred - they might end up as minor in the long run, but at the moment it seems as if they're blasting through the indie-pop ozone layer at uncontrollable speeds. there's a lot to that spoon comparison, but i think they might be standing in just the right spot with their mouths wide open to gain enormously from this whole 'mainstreaming of indie' thing that i hear is going on.

samosa gibreel, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

if you don't know by now why vw generate 1500 posts i really don't know what to tell you

call all destroyer, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

So then stop acting shocked that people like the band even tho they aren't the most innovative force on Earth. (I'd actually argue there is something innovative about what they're doing, but that's irrelevant.) Are you bitching on the Owl City thread about the lightning bugs?

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm overstating my case as usual but today at least this thread has been a hoover. there's a good chance I'LL like the band a little! my problem is with the devotion of so much thought and discussion and analysis to something that's pretty straightforward, not with the band.

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I kinda think there's are some complexities in the Vampire Weekend thing. I'm on spec for an article about Jewish artists and afropop as a new mediation of Jewish-Black musical relations (riffing off The Right to Sing the Blues), so it could definitely be I'm hearing very different things in this album than you are.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm - that's certainly a way of looking at it. i'm concentrating not on VW personally so much as a wider indie malaise where albums become important cultural bellwethers and periodical yardsticks rather than, you know, artworks. viewed as art, it's possible to like VW and to appreciate their appropriations, and their songs. but like others before them they seem to be about to transcend a musical sphere where there's choice, and enter one where there's consensus. hard to quite describe what i mean but when this record ends up near the top of most year-end lists regardless of publication like certain other albums of late, my point will be made. the idea that (and i'm sure none of you are doing this) you can stop after hearing all the 'important' records because that is how 2010 or whatever should have sounded for you. as i say, none of you are guilty, i'd imagine, but the creation of indie consensus goes against the spirit of musical exploration. try not to suggest ban me, i'll be off this thread soon enough. not looking for trouble, just a bit exasperated.

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the problem is that you participate way too much in this Hipster Runoff community. You gotta emancipate yourself, bro.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

god, i mean, i get what you're saying, but acting like indie consensus could just stop happening is some serious wind-pissing and you know that.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

what is "this hipster runoff community"

max, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.hroexegesis.com/

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"An exposition of the philosophy of Carles as expressed on his weblog Hipster Runoff."

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

u kno. "wat is the big indie album of the year?" "wat is the brand of vamp weekend?" "can i be a vamp weekend bro?"

Like these "dialogues," if you can call them that, seem to be the background that LJ is freaking out against.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

don't think that blog is a joke, either.

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

what is "this hipster runoff "community""

― max, Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

fixed

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"the creation of indie consensus goes against the spirit of musical exploration."

There's always going to be a consensus. But that shouldn't matter, because no one's stopping anyone from seeking out music outside of that consensus. You just need to dig further. If you're ignoring "the spirit of musical exploration," you're either lazy or you don't care to move beyond consensus, and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

u kno. "wat is the big indie album of the year?" "wat is the brand of vamp weekend?" "can i be a vamp weekend bro?"

Like these "dialogues," if you can call them that, seem to be the background that LJ is freaking out against.

― Mordy, Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah but... these are just reformulations of questions that critics have been asking forever arent they?

lj is freaking out because hes lj and vampire weekend gets more press than mansun

max, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah re-reading LJs post i see your point

max, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

LJ: stop freaking out

max, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Having fixed Woods's saga within the Saussurean structure of late capitalist sign-play and attenuated its relations to international structures of economic power, Carles shifts perspective to consider Woods as a cautionary figure, an example of the metastasized techno-rational principle gone awry.

(via)

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ok :)

xp

Do the english boil pizza? (acoleuthic), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Also it sounds like you haven't heard the album yet? (You said you may even like it.) Why don't you give it a listen? It's really good and I don't think you have to worry that I'm just trying to earn some indie cred here. For one, Vamp Weekend is hardly indie cred giving anymore, but for two, I put Aly + AJ as my top album in Pazz + Jop a few years ago. Clearly not something I'm super concerned with.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

art rock is ascendant in indie louis, would think youd be generally psyched

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ lack of understanding of the british psyche

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

guilty!

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

RE: the band's cape cod referencing on Walcott

Nobody calls Hyannis (which is not a ghetto) "Hyannis Port," which is simple fact hard rock bands like Boston knew way back when

Though the line "Fuck the Bears out in Provincetown" is about right.

*"Dancing in the streets of Hyannis, we were getting pretty good at the game"

xposts

Cunga, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

hyannis and hyannis port are 2 somewhat diff places fyi

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, I'm seeing these guys tonight, so I'm pretty psyched.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

ha i'm just saying that the word 'novelty' is loaded with inappropriate connotations - it is as if experimentation or originality is some kind of non-serious jape - i do not like the word

Louis you say variations of this in a lot of threads (partic. w/r/t feted indie bands) and I think you've got it entirely the wrong way about. The very idea of experimentation or originality must be some kind of serious endeavour is the bigger problem, and maybe if it wasn't so persistent people wouldn't class everything that didn't seem to fit that mould as a "jape", and less musicians would retreat into period piece restoration cautiousness. The... breeziness with which VW stretch their sound on Contra is one of its best qualities I think.

Serious cat-ism is an infection IMO, though it does result in good music at times.

Tim F, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

pop your collar
xpost

velko, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost The very idea that... I mean.

Tim F, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

hyannis and hyannis port are 2 somewhat diff places fyi

It's been a decade and I was a kid at the time, so I very well might be wrong -- I just remember Hyannis Port was the outmoded and formal name for what we blanketed as just Hyannis.

Cunga, Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

what in god's name is going on itt

J0rdan S., Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

LJ feels Vampire Weekend doesn't deserve fans because they aren't original enough and he's worried critical consensus is building around them and he's gonna be bummed when they chart on a bunch of Best of Year lists in December.

Mordy, Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

iirc hyannis port is a particularly fancy section of hyannis that some would call hyannis like the rest of it while some would use the full name to signify their status as wealthy vacationers lol cape cod

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Hyannis Port is a small residential village located in Barnstable, Massachusetts, and Hyannis, Massachusetts. It is an affluent summer community on Hyannis Harbor 1.4 miles to the south-southwest of Hyannis.

from Wikipedia

kshighway (ksh), Sunday, 17 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link


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