dudewhats good about it
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
if you really like it make a case for it, ppl on ilx have a pretty wide breadth of interests in rap
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean correct me if im wrong but generally speaking isnt it 'internerd geeks/hip hop geeks" + NPR that = his fanbase?
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
yo can you do an "essential" street albums/mixtapes/retails list of new bay
like Jacka The Street Album, DJ Fresh etc...
i'm so overwhelmed
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 15 January 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i was takin about the post-dipset/trap/jeezyweezy indie fuxx0r internrrd geeks who thinks any rap that doesn't mention coke or guns is automatically uncool and for losers.
but anyway, to make my case, i haven't heard the KNAAN album in like a year, but what i remember, it alternates between softie eclectic Carnival-era wyclef stuff with the occasional total banger sprinkled in between. and dude basically talks very frankly about the very fucked up situations in africa, which is the "black cnn" idea for a internet-connected world to a tee--which is prolly why npr types like him, but it actually works in a way that i don't think is corny at all.
― laverne and shipley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
then its not really a 'marketing problem' is it? thats like saying the xx have a 'marketing problem' with post dipset indie fuxxor internerd geeks
can you just like chill with the dicing everybody into little groups of nerds based on your own distorted perceptions? its really tedious
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
new ILM motto
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
he's saying the guy makes some bangers that a non-NPR rap fan would enjoy divorced of the context of the rest of his career, deej, calm down
― some dude, Friday, 15 January 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
1. deej is otm about my def of "marketing problem." i guess i really mean its just one of those things that will sell records but will never be popular among "cool people" even though its really good (see also: Robert Randolph, most African music that isn't Konono No. 1)
2. yeah dude, i'm aware that the actual difference between Strange Famous battle geeks, ughh.com Nas stans and GorillaVsBear-reading cokey new-jacks is narcissism of small differences, but if you can't see these shades of gray, i don't know how you've lasted so long on ILX
― laverne and shipley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
k'naan is okay and he's particularly strong live
― The tendrils INTERTWINE with gentle undulations. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 January 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
is gucci out of jail yet
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 January 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
btw when is a good rapper going to freestyle over "on to the next one"
jay did alright himself tbh, only tolerable performance by him on that album
wtf are these gorillavsbear references I've been seeing lately? i thought that was a chillgaze fansite?
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Friday, 15 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
it's whiney's token stand-in for crack-rap bandwagon indie fans
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 January 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
bun b did
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 15 January 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
actually, he's not good anymore
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 15 January 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
;_;
― an american hippie in israel (Jordan), Friday, 15 January 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Truth bomb. Honestly, I quite like his two albums - which should both be corny and awful and worthy based on what they are but are not purely on the strength of his skill/personality/ear. But he wins you over with his live sets - fiercely charismatic, fucks with arrangements and songs all the time, great chemistry with his band (who are pretty tight themselves)...just a consummate SHOWMAN. It's easier if I don't think of him as a rapper per se - rap is one of the things in his tool kit but it's not the only one or necessarily the most important. Sort of like latter-day Mos Def (at least live).
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 15 January 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
To clarify, not like latter-day Mos in terms of sound, just in terms of how he functions as a performer/recording artist.
― some dude, Friday, January 15, 2010 11:30 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im just asking for less 'internerd' anthropology & more actual enthusiasm for stuff he likes, i dont think thats really such a big deal. although based on the songs online this stuff is just too unrepentantly cheesy& whiney's scarequotes around "cool" are making me think of the lecoq quote:
Not much of a drinker, but if I get my work done early, I've sometimes pop two NyQuil capsules and then jelly-belly my way around the office, giving people hugs and whistling "Patience" by G'n'R. There's this one guy I detest, though, and once I found his chair empty so I just gurgled up a nice one and spat on it. Immediately afterwards I got paranoid and rubbed it into the upholstery and walk- sprinted away. As I wiped my finger on my sock I bitterly realized that the whole process probably resulted in me getting more spit on my clothes than on his. Hmmm. I don't want to physically assault him; trying to chip away at him psychologically wont work - he's one of those people so removed from any social loop that nothing offends him (Example: Me: "You're wearing neon yellow suspenders and a sweater your gramma knitted you and your fly is undone you dumb bastard." Him: "Well I'm SOOOOORRY...I guess I don't conform to your standards of "COOOL" and "FASHION", hmph!").I think I'm just gonna steal his fucking stapler.-- Ramosi (olafsonski...), February 1st, 2002.
-- Ramosi (olafsonski...), February 1st, 2002.
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
It's easier if I don't think of him as a rapper per se - rap is one of the things in his tool kit but it's not the only one or necessarily the most important. Sort of like latter-day Mos Def (at least live).
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, January 15, 2010 2:38 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah this is part of what is so eye-roll-y about it to me. of COURSE this guy -- a non-rapping rapper from another country -- would be one of the first rappers on austin city limits
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
they should get buck 65 tbh
― laverne and shipley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
since you brought him up i will rep the "bike for three!" record
sorry guys
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
ooh, i hate the Bike For Three record. But I loved Situation
― laverne and shipley (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i pretty much hate everything else he has done. but i love the production on that BFT record and the belgian chick is taut.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 15 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll stan for Talkin Honky Blues forever
― lol lobos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 January 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122319397
weird list, esp since i know noz is no Drake fan. including a drake mixtape but not a kanye one is kinda crazy! those early kanye mixtapes were awesome.
id pick that tupac 'rap phenomenon' mix before any juelz mixtapes too
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
the drake thing seems like some weird concession-- i skipped the intro but maybe he was trying to "objectively" rank tapes in terms of general impact on rap and/or the artists career?-- cuz noz has spent a good amount of time on twitter/blog trashing drake
had no idea that that t.i. tape even existed
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 16 January 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
its actually a couple of tapes -- i found out about them from ethan's old blog back when he was still posting but then they were almost impossible to find. the 2nd one from '03 is amazing
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
impossible to find ... outside of atlanta i mean, obv
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago) link
eh as much as i loved those kanye mixtapes they weren't a media-anointed SEMINAL MIXTAPE MOMENT like So Far Gone or a lot of the other stuff on the list, and obviously he was being kind of withering and obligatory with SFG's inclusion anyway
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― some dude, Saturday, 16 January 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
im surprised to hear u say that tbh. weren't those mixtapes responsible for a whole bunch of "well its good but not as good as..." type commentary when his lp dropped?
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
kinda, but i mean, Get Well Soon, I'm Good etc. were largely stuff that he produced for major label releases and songs that were on either the official College Dropout or the early leaked version. they helped his buzz as an artist, but it all felt like part of a bigger buzz about his singles, his productions, his overall image, etc.
― avaSHART hahahahaha guys check it out i said shart (some dude), Saturday, 16 January 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
compare that to the canonical 50 and Wayne mixtapes that have zero material in common w/ the blockbuster albums that followed and Kanye's mixtapes feel a lot less essential or list-worthy in and of themselves, y'know?
― avaSHART hahahahaha guys check it out i said shart (some dude), Saturday, 16 January 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
& the only reason Drake is a star is bcuz he was on a Canadian TV show, had the same management as Lil Wayne before Drake was "signed," & had a hit R&B single.
I mean how important was that tape reallydoes anyone here even enjoy it
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
not that what yr saying doesnt make sense but it still seems more worthwhile than so far gone
a list bookended w/ 50 Cent Is The Future and So Far Gone is pretty obviously making a point about the kingmaking potential of mixtapes, and I can totally see why Noz included the latter for the sake of narrative regardless of his or your or my opinion. as a statement on what mixtapes can and have done at the end of the decade, it dovetails nicely.
― avaSHART hahahahaha guys check it out i said shart (some dude), Saturday, 16 January 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
heavy chevyz is amazing
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:30 (fourteen years ago) link
dave which of the four should i download
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i like "turn it up", reminds me of mf grimm's 'do it for the kids'
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link
the 2nd one, from '03, is amazing
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
word
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i think a lot of folks around here looking for an 'in' to this bay stuff would probably enjoy Husalah; he's got a genuinely eccentric personality & his 'hustlin since the 80s' is one of the best & most consistent LPs from this entire scenehttp://a418.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00920/71/43/920993417_l.jpgdudes looking like a san andreas character here
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"mamaco" & "flyest gear" are both great tracks that are immediately appealing too. hes actually got kind of a manic ghostface delivery although hes def got a gullier lyrical style compared to ghost these days
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link
his rapping on 'im a wild child' is pretty crazy too & definitely captures his off-the-wall style
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link
or here's 'husalah shine' which has this great smooth cali vibe to ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hY4WQuZF4
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link
so someone commented on an oj da juiceman post that i wrote on jan 8, 2009
damaniJanuary 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm
wat up my nigga oj da juice man
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 16 January 2010 06:37 (fourteen years ago) link
0j da jewman
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Saturday, 16 January 2010 06:48 (fourteen years ago) link
lol yah i was lollin when i approved that
reminds me of jamie foxx clowning terrance howards.
"whats happenin witchu iron mane, mane"
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 07:03 (fourteen years ago) link
*howard
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 16 January 2010 07:04 (fourteen years ago) link