pssh. next thing you know he'll say santa isn't real.
― la última intimidad (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link
watched this at someones house recently. apart from ledger, its still really overrated. trying way too hard to be dark and takes itself far too seriously. also way too long (why do people think epic=mark of quality?). easily the most humorless of all the batman films. a good redress to what they did with the franchise before batman and robin etc so i understand the context but its just too far in the opposite direction. gotham still looks quite pedestrain compared to tim burtons gotham too. not sure how this type of indulgent/bloated 'serious' blockbuster (watchman etc) obsessed with being weighty and 'important' (rather than fun) ended up being so feted. trying to think of what the precedents were.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i suppose it being all heavy rather than fun is diff from the blockbuster norm but the heaviness just seems too contrived, its gravely aspirational heaviness.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
As I've said before, there are plenty of moments in this that make me lol. And in Watchmen too.
― exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
watchmen is pretty camp and entertaining, and it has lots of jokes
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link
did like his new vehicles though.
the batmobile was>>>>
did lol at the trip to hong kong as it reminded me of the adam west series but not sure if that was a good lol or not.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought there was lots of good, character-based humour all the way through; plenty of lines from Caine, obviously, but also quite a few from bale. The meeting with Eckhardt & Gyllenhall in the restaurant is great.
― exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link
apart from ledger, its still really overrated. trying way too hard to be dark and takes itself far too seriously. also way too long
agree with all of that, but there were still some nice lols as nick says. still think watchmen was better (more consistent, funnier, looks better, more successful in what it was trying to do).
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link
top lol was bruce wayne "should i go to the hospital?"
― Isambard Kingdom Buñuel (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link
easily the most humorless of all the batman films.
um waht? the ledge was hilarious.
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i think that was on the understanding that ledger aside, maybe not
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm finding this really watchable on HBO in bits and pieces, though Bale's Batman voice (and Oldman's speech at the end) gets worse each time you hear it (starting to wonder if he made it intentionally absurd so they'd let him spend more time with the mask off - which he does). At this point I'd probably say its my favorite Batman film not just named Batman.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The only thing overrated in that film is Ledger!!
― Radio Birdman Rally (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost - yeah the speech is a bit silly (and also lazy on nolans part - actually that was my other prob with the film, a lot of it seemed too expository). and batmans voice is preposterous but also gets a few lols. (well from me, but not the batman fans i saw it with).
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
but as far as aspirational heaviness, I'll take it over all the Ra's Al Ghul ("My anger outweighs my guilt") talk of the last movie. Plus slimy Eric Roberts >>>> Tom Wilkinson declaring "you've never tasted desperate!" and Maggie Gyllenhaal >>>>>>>> Katie Holmes.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
while i think ledger's performance is what keeps people connected to the movie as it bounces from set piece to set piece and melodramatic discussion to melodramatic discussion, I wonder how it would have been received if he hadn't died. It's engaging enough didn't really think about his passing much when I saw the film - only later did I think about what a shame it is that there's nothing to follow it, but (and i'm trying to find a way to say this without being in poor taste) the effect probably would have been diluted if Ledger was smiling at premieres and around to answer questions like "why is your character so awesome?"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link
eric roberts is hilarious and i wish he was in every movie, but in no universe is he better than tom wilkinson
― doomed... to fart (cankles), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link
he is as a cartoon mobster
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Batman voice ...... gets worse each time you hear it
i had this, until someone on ilx just posited that bruce wayne doesn't want his voice to be recognisable in any way. makes it a lot easier to watch just to think that way about it.
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
you'd think he'd want to be easily understood, though
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
DOES HE THOUGH????
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
makes ya think
can't be too hard to build a vocoder into that suit
― Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link
t-wayne
― Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i think i underrated this movie at the time; on reflection, the set-pieces, at least early on, were simply better done than the cut-to-shred crap you get from most blockbusters. it is too long, though, and the final thing where batters taps into the matrix or whatever sucked.
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
the people in the boats should have blown themselves up, let's face it.
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link
wow totally did not even recognize Eric Roberts when I saw this
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
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i agree with this pretty much. the truck set piece was pretty awesome. the supersonic cell phone reality device and the dumb plot point about the ethical conflict it posed was ridiculous.
also the boat thing.
and it really does go on way too long.
but that IMAX stuff in the theater was like sheeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Batman Begins is better, it's a smart, slick action film that doesn't park itself in the middle of a convoluted moral maze from which it has no clue how to remove itself.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm all for big entertainment dabbling in big ideas, but it should be done in a less ham-fisted and muddled way than in The Dark Knight. This isn't to say I didn't enjoy a lot about the film.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
batman begins = great first 1/2, kinda goes downhill once he actually becomes batman. dude learned how to do actions scenes better for TDK.
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the truck set piece WAS surprisingly good - i think the problem with most action scenes w/batman is that the suit is so bulky and impractical you end up having to shoot around it
― doomed... to fart (cankles), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd have to watch it again to be sure, but I think the opening heist might well be the best set-piece.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
no batsuit in that !
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The opening heist is really well-choreographed and filmed, it really can stand alone outside of the movie
― mh, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
it did!
remember when they showed it instead of a trailer
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I really need to rewatch this movie; I wonder if I'd like it as much the second time.
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
most action scenes w/batman is that the suit is so bulky and impractical you end up having to shoot around it
He really is just a walking poo that talks like cookie monster. Too bad they offed every supporting character that's younger than Gary Oldman - unless they bring in a bunch of new stars Batman himself actually has to be awesome next time.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link
think they're gonna do robin?
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i think bat man is going to "do" robin....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― max, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i can't imagine christopher nolan going there. but as much as catwoman seems obvious (sexual tension would be a new element), bale could NOT do his colicky thing when bantering with her in costume.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
lol xpost
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
They should skip Robin and go straight to Nightwing
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
go "straight" to night wing more like go.... "not straight" to night wing......................!!!!!!!!!!!!
― max, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link
("gay")
― max, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
killing joke more like gay homos
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― chartres (goole), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:16 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is this a joke or
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
It's serious. Change the Nightwing character to be a competing vigilante rather than a former protogee and put the two of them in conflict; alternately, if Batman already has a competing anti-hero in the comics, use that character instead (not familiar enough with the Batman rogue's gallery to know if there's someone who fits that bill aside from Catwoman and I am kind of DO NOT WANT re: more sexual bat-tension).
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i think both of the nolan batman flicks have dope, for the most part, occasional ridiculousness aside. i've liked all the villains so far and i like this presentation of gotham more than the burton ones, but then again i'm not really a big burton fan either.
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i'd rather see a lovely lady prancing around the rooftops than other grim-faced bro
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link