Some more predictions for the top 25
AutobahnThe WallAll Things Must PassNeu 75StrandedBefore & After ScienceSunflowerDr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band (please!)
I would love to see a surprise disco entry in the top 25. I'd be happy with Cerrone's Supernature or Black Devil Disco Club.
Also I'm backing Curtis for the top spot.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
The Wall, no chance. Autobahn was surely in the original poll!
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i had aja and tusk in my ballot and NO REMORSE. both great albums though maybe not quite as great as ilx hivemind opinion of them.
― bread has no effect on you (ciderpress), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
loathe the rest of the recorded works of post-Green Fleetwood Mac
I know all of these words, but the order confuses me
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Any boring bastards have tusk,aja and fear of music all in their top 10?
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Autobahn wasn't in the original poll. Hmmmm.
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah, Tusk is by Fleetwood Mac? I do know the name, I've noticed ILX seems to love them a lot, but I've never found out why. I don't think I've ever heard any music by them.
― Tuomas, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
nah i stuck them down below all my pet favorites xxp
― bread has no effect on you (ciderpress), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
2/3rds boring bastard over here
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
We'll get you educated yet. xxp
― wanna be shartin' somethin' (WmC), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac: really good. That's my thoughts on the matter.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
nothing wrong with those records btw, but it just seems to go against the spirit of an alternate 70s poll if it's chockfull of ilm canon anyway.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^agreed, but such was the downright challopsy and terrible nature of the first poll that it's being countered like this
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Well I just voted for the ones I like
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously, what was everyone smoking that first go around
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
the idea that someone would prefer peter green-era fleetwood mac still baffles me
― psychgawsple, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
79. The Beatles - Let It Be
exhibit A
does tusk get much praise outside of ILM? it's still kind of an 'alternative' choice, just if you hang out around these parts too long it doesn't really feel that way
― psychgawsple, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm thinking if one of these polls is done for the 90s as was suggested previously it might be more interesting to eliminate not only the albums from the first go-around but the artists too. This poll's still got plenty of Neil Young, Bowie, etc since fans of those dudes (myself included! oops) will just vote for their other albums that didn't make it the first time, which kind of waters down the alternative concept of it.
― bread has no effect on you (ciderpress), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Tusk gets plenty of praise elsewhere.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it's been rehabilitated a lot, but we have a pretty skewed idea of mainstream on ILM
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Once an artist has made a certain number of arguably great records, even their lesser albums become somehow more interesting. Plus the '70s was kind of the ur-decade for rock careerists.
xxp
― o. nate, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh man, an alternative poll for the 90's would see me suggest-banned before the top 20 ;-)
Currently listening to Damn The Torpedoes, which I voted for, and which I'm kinda hoping places. It won't, but it's one of the best American albums of the 70's IMO
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Tusk was considered 'the biggest failure ever' for years & years
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
The number 1 will probably be some hoary old rock or post-punk album, can't think of any funk/soul/jazz record that would be popular enough among ILXors to top the list.― Tuomas, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:12
― Tuomas, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:12
Dude, it's a 1970s poll. It's all hoary and old!
mega xpost
― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Whereas in reality it was only a small failure </challops>
― o. nate, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I would have no problem with a poll where the artists are eliminated too. If that had been the case here, only oen album in my ballot would have been disqualified.
― Tuomas, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
(Tie) 24. Faust - IV (1974) [151 points, 17 votes]
http://i46.tinypic.com/2d78x13.jpg
Picked it up about a month ago and it just kills me. Was just listening to it this morning - it's still in that phase where every time I listen to it I realize it's even better than I thought the last time I listened to it.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, January 9, 2009 2:57 PM (11 months ago)
so many people who only own one Faust record own that one, it's total pop...
― Milton Parker, Friday, June 15, 2007 3:38 PM (2 years ago)
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
(oops, that's actually supposed to be 1973... I forgot to change it before I posted. like it's really a big deal...)
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Should have been top 5. Bah.
― emil.y, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Aja, Autobahn and Lust For Life didn't make the top 200 of the previous poll, so it'll be a surprise to me if they make the top 25. I just couldn't believe there isn't support for Lust For Life, so I included it.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
massive x-post, i didn't see electric warrior and faust iv, i swear!
no order:hejiracurtismeddlefear of musicbefore and after sciencethe modern danceanother music in a different kitchengermfree adolescentsla womanshiny beaststrandedrock bottomrocket to russiaelectric warriorare we not man, we are devobridgesmaster of realityajatuskfaust ivraincoatsband of gypsysthe köln concertautobahnnatty dread
― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
xxpost
Should have been higher for sure. Jennifer and Lauft... are kinda like religious experiences. Slightly silly religious experiences. But then these guys saw that the fuckaround could be more beautiful than the solemn statement, and followed that muse to this zenith
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
All sorts of off-topic, but why not:
I really, really hate Stevie Nicks. I like Buckingham the guitarist but not Buckingham the singer. I don't like cocaine.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Did you actually vote in this, Louis?
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
huh?
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
His ballot came in the last day, I think.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
3/4 of the way through, and six from my ballot have made it.
― wanna be shartin' somethin' (WmC), Friday, 8 January 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
master of reality
This was #61.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link
10 of mine so far, but 5 of those were in the bottom 20.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I was gonna ask what la woman is, but I realized it's L.A. Woman, heh. What's Bridges?
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
voted for Faust Tapes instead, because of a fond memory of me ruining a Christmas dinner when I was 15 with it:Mum 'play us one of your records'Me 'OK'
― sonofstan, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry Louis - I thought I remembered someone being sniffy about voting and thought it was you
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
damn... Stormcock isn't going to make it is it? Should have voted.
― sofatruck, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ that story
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm waiting to see 101-120, that's all I'll say IK
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
13 of mine in so far. I forget if Band On The Run made it, but that'd be 14.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
sonofstan's story FTW
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
sonofstan - I once ruined a parents' dinner party with Isn't Anything
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
23. Ramones - Rocket to Russia (1977) [152 points, 13 votes]
http://i45.tinypic.com/2i1352v.jpg
In the past I've always upped Rocket To Russia on the ground that it uses the greatest variety of their classic tricks while slowing down the least (with "Here Today Gone Tomorrow" and "I Don't Care" being the only real duds). And I think I still do. But somehow it seems like a combination tape of the best stuff from Leave Home and Road To Ruin would actually contain all of my favorite Ramones songs. Funny how that works.
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, February 9, 2007 6:49 PM (2 years ago)
Pinefox sez : "Too little interest in songwriting".
To me this is so far wide of the mark that it completely misses what early-Ramones are all about. The analogies with Brill building and early 60's girlpop songcraft has been trotted out so often wrt The Ramones that it's tempting to dismiss it out-of-hand. There is some truth in it though - I can hear the Shangri-La's, say, in I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend or Babysitter. That's not to say that this automatically makes the Ramones good, of course.
But they're better than good - they're masters. Their best songs are great because they are lean and simple - there's nothing that shouldn't be there. Couple this with a simple melodic hook(nothing fancy - 4 chords max. and another 2 for the middle 8) and a propulsive beat, and you have something irresistable. Add some elements of The Ramones 'own world' imagery (pick from : NY street images, retards, 'nam casualties, glue, girls)and you have genius.
Take "Glad to see you Go" from Leave Home - straight into a Beach Boys/Eddie Cochrane morphed melody and just listen to the way that the song shifts gear slightly on lines 3 and 4 of the verse as Tommy closes the high-hat a touch under the chords and melody. The shift into the chorus is sublime and the sheer rush as it comes back to the last verse from the middle 8 ("I need somebody good, I need a miracle") is like a ride in the space shuttle - on the outside.
Take "Rockaway Beach" - another point on the curve linking "Summer in the City", " Dancing in the Street" and "Baby on more Time". Again - great chorus, great lyrics ("Chewin out a rhythm on my bubblegum") and a sense of PLACE. In less than 3 minutes you feel exactly what it's like to be a teenager in baking hot NY - and you feel it every single time you hear it. That's great songwriting, Pinefox.
Rockaway, Glad..., Listen to My Heart, 53rd and 3rd, You Should Never Have Opened That Door are equals of "Please, Please Me", "California Girls", "My Generation" ..... the list goes on....if you can look past the "punk" thing which is really a red herring as far as The Ramones are concerned.
I guess it all depends on what you look for in a song - they're not Burt or Jimmy Webb, but they tell a story, crank up the adrenaline, and make their own world for 3 mins for EVERY SINGLE TRACK on the first 4 albums. That's classic.
― Dr. C, Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:00 PM (8 years ago)
^ this isn't specifically related to the album in question, but it's long been one of my favorite things ever written on ILM.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link