Duran Duran: Classic or Dud?

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Championing Duran Duran because of "Electric Barbarella" is like championing Todd Rundgren because of the "Acapella" album :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

Geir that was kinda funny!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

Hon, here is a list of some songs Duran Duran recorded in the '90s that I absolutely adored:

From Liberty (1990):
"First Impression"
"Liberty"
"My Antarctica"
"Serious"
"Venice Drowning"

From The Wedding Album (1993):
"Too Much Information"
"Ordinary World"
"Love Voodoo"
"Come Undone"
"Breath After Breath"
"None Of The Above"
"Sin Of The City"

From Thank You (1995):
"Drive By"
"Watching The Detectives"
"Perfect Day"

From Medazzaland (1997):
"Medazzaland"
"Big Bang Generation"
"Electric Barbarella"
"Out Of My Mind"
"Who Do You Think You Are?"
"Silva Halo"
"Be My Icon"
"Buried In The Sand"
"Michael (You've Got A Lot To Answer For)"
"Midnight Sun"
"So Long Suicide"
"Undergoing Treatment"

(Of course I would have to name every single one of the songs on that album -- that's my favorite album of all time!)

I would also name songs off Pop Trash, but that's going into a different decade altogether. Though I do adore it, not as much as Medazzaland and sometimes not as much as The Wedding Album, but I do certainly think it's an awesome album overall. :)

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 13 November 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

make a CD80 of latter day tracks and post it! Then I will burn it and listen as I drive around!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

Does Night Version just mean extended version?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 November 2003 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

make a CD80 of latter day tracks and post it! Then I will burn it and listen as I drive around!

Ooh, I'll have to work on it tonight. Just getting to narrowing it down to that length... wow. I might actually want to do that myself. :) (The burning, that is.)

Does Night Version just mean extended version?

Well, "Night Version" is essentially a catch-all term that refers to certain extended versions of songs the band recorded back in the early '80s (i.e., pre-7&TRT), but in terms of Rio tracks that are labeled "Night Version", it's more often referring to tracks remixed by David Kershenbaum. For example, the "Night Version" of "Hungry Like the Wolf" is hardly any longer than the "regular" version of "HLTW", but it sounds a bit differently because of the David Kershenbaum touch. Any American who bought the Rio album on vinyl back when Rio started becoming popular Stateside, or cassette back when Rio was originally released in the U.S., would be most familiar with the "Night Version" of a sizeable chunk of the songs therein. The original vinyl release and the most recent cassette release of Rio would have the original mixes of all the songs, same as the regular worldwide CD version of said album and the regular UK vinyl/cassette versions.

Uh, have I confused you?

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yes, and I have to highly recommend the b-sides Duran Duran recorded back ca. The Wedding Album. They are fantastic songs in and of themselves and further proof that a lot of the band's genius lies within their b-sides. The songs?

"Fallen Angel"/"Falling Angel"
(They're essentially the same song, though "Falling Angel", which is found on the Obsession and Corruption release, has a different, rougher intro than "Fallen Angel". This song, though, no matter what the version, is gorgeous and lovely.)

"Time For Temptation"
(Great, catchy song, though once again the version found on Obsession and Corruption is a bit rougher than the version found on the Japanese version of TWA.)

"Stop Dead"
(Now there's only one version of this song! Still, great and catchy and very danceable. Anytime you see anything in the Duranternet referring to the phrase "Yo Latin mama, check out your hombre," you can now know that it comes from this particular song.)

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 November 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Pancakes, for Night Version info. No, you didn't confuse me, but the Rio CD's 'enhanced' discography certainly did.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Pancakes, for Night Version info. No, you didn't confuse me, but the Rio CD's 'enhanced' discography certainly did.

You know, I've had that "enhanced" special edition CD deal ever since they released it, practically, and it just sits there in my bedroom gathering dust, because the first time I listened to it I realized they had misled us into thinking it was going to be the version of the album with all those David Kershenbaum remixes, but instead it turned out to be just a cleaned-up version of the regular CD release. I had no idea there were additional things on that CD aside from the music and the three videos that they stuck on there. (Predictably for the clueless Crapitol they went for the more commercially available videos and included "Rio", "Hungry Like The Wolf", and "Save A Prayer", thus completely ignoring the video for the "disco-fied" "My Own Way" and the video for "Lonely In Your Nightmare".) Wow. So there's a discography on there. I'm going to actually have to fire up that baby on the computer sometime soonish.

(p.s.: Please, hon, call me Dee.)

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 15 November 2003 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

Spencer, long ago and far away (*winks*) said:

make a CD80 of latter day tracks and post it! Then I will burn it and listen as I drive around!

... and here it is, complete with run times of each of the songs listed:

"My Antarctica" (5:00)
"Serious" (4:20)
"Ordinary World" (5:39)
"Love Voodoo" (4:58)
"Sin Of The City" (7:14)
"Breath After Breath" (4:58)
"Fallen Angel" (4:35)
"Drive By" (5:34)
"Watching The Detectives" (4:48)
"Big Bang Generation" (4:40)
"Electric Barbarella" (5:16)
"Out Of My Mind" (4:16)
"Be My Icon" (5:10)
"So Long Suicide" (4:37)
"Undergoing Treatment" (3:05)
"Sinner And Saint" ("Electric Barbarella" b-side) (4:50)

Total run time: 79 minutes, exactly. I did a list up which included "Come Undone", but that would've pushed the compilation to 83 minutes and 38 seconds, which would've been impossible. I figured that since you had "Come Undone" in your other compilation, and that "Ordinary World" is such a personal song to me that I would really want you to have it in here too, that "Come Undone" could get cut.

Enjoy! (And I'm definitely going to enjoy making this one for myself. *grins*)

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 15 November 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

duran duran embody a great deal of what was disgusting about the mainstream in the 80s.

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 16 November 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

I like how people make sweeping pronouncements like that and try to make everyone guess what exactly they're referring to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 November 2003 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

Dee is officially rocking my world.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 November 2003 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

The Carnival EP has a couple of those Kershenbaum remixes and is ridiculously ace.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 16 November 2003 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

be careful

pompit, Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

duran duran embody a great deal of what was disgusting about the mainstream in the 80s.

Yeah! That's why I like them.

Dracula Rumsfeld, Sunday, 16 November 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

awesome Dee! I'm totally going to burn it!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

There was nothing disgusting about the mainstream in the 80s, that is, not until hair metal, house music and hip-hop showed up.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 16 November 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Haha. I agree.

sucka (sucka), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Spencer and Tracer. But -- quick question.

WHERE THE BLOODY HELL WERE YOU GUYS WHEN I WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL?!

I got SO much shit from my classmates throughout grade and high schools for being a Duran fan. I either got asked, "Ew, you like those old people?" or, "Who are they?" I didn't even know there were any other fans out there until 1997, when I went online for the first time and found out that there WERE other fans out there.

God, I would've been in fangirl heaven if you'd have also been there.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 17 November 2003 06:47 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yes, and jack cole? Kindly lick me where the sun doesn't shine.

If you don't like Duran Duran's music, just say so, understood? I am not having any more elitist malarkey concerning the band. I've forced down more than enough shit like that by practically everyone in the mainstream music media. If you don't like their music personally, you have every right to, but saying that they "suck" is also essentially saying that my taste in music "sucks" because I adore this band.

Look, Duran's music has saved my sanity time and again. "Ordinary World" and "So Long Suicide" are songs that have especially personal connotations to me. I have been a fan of the band through some of the rockiest of roads. I champion them and defend them and I am NOT about to have some random person tell me that all of that means nothing because it does. It may not to you, but it definitely does to me.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 17 November 2003 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

Well Dee, I was really into Duran Duran when I was about 11 in 1984, then I got into New Order and The Jesus & Mary Chain (pretty logically, come to think of it). I didn't start actively listening to them again until I was 18 - and then only the stuff through "A View to a Kill". I still haven't really payed attention to the latter day albums since I feel like their ultimate moment was the early 80s. I like some of what I've heard since, but Girls On Film, Rio etc are just so untouchable to me that I haven't really felt the need to move on...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 November 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

If you don't like their music personally, you have every right to, but saying that they "suck" is also essentially saying that my taste in music "sucks" because I adore this band.

but you saying they're great if i think they suck is essentially saying that my taste in music sucks! so how dare you sing their praises? seriously, come on... this is a "classic or dud" thread. expect a few posts on the dud side.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 November 2003 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

Spencer, I seriously thought you were about my age, maybe at most a couple of years older. Wow, 11 in 1984? Amazing. Though I am glad you are starting to check out the band's latter-era input.

but you saying they're great if i think they suck is essentially saying that my taste in music sucks! so how dare you sing their praises? seriously, come on... this is a "classic or dud" thread. expect a few posts on the dud side.

What? You make no sense to me. All I'm doing is going on about how much of a fan I am and how much I know about the band. This is the message I get from the jack coles of the world (and there are TONS of them):

"Oh God, Duran Duran sucks ass and you are a fool for being a fan of their music because it is horribly wretched and how can you even consider yourself to have any good taste whatsoever when you're such a huge fan of such shit? You just like them because they're attractive, face it -- you don't take music seriously because you like them and they wouldn't have been nearly as successful had they not been as physically attractive as they were, because their music certainly wasn't going to do it for them."

I can't even count how many times I've gotten this message -- from every single mainstream music press person and "serious music" fan I've come across out there. So excuse me for being a bit touchy. I do recognize that one could not like that kind of music and say, "Well, for me personally, they're completely dud." But I am not standing for anything that gives off the message of, "You are the world's biggest fool for caring as much about this one band as you do because they are so utterly untalented." I've had enough shit like that from the Rolling Stones and the Qs of the world.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

*snort* Ok, so I got a bit off the deep end there. Exorcising demons, venting out past frustrations in a veddy serious music forum-type place, etc. "Do You Believe In Shame?" therapy, up next.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, your touchiness is unwarranted. Try being a Field Mice fan for a while and get back to me.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha, ha ha, ROTFL, oh so funny because it's true.

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

Tell you what:

I look up information on this group, The Field Mice (because I honestly have no idea who they are), if you point me in the direction of someone who is taken seriously in the music world (music press, music recording, etc.) who also acts as an advocate for Duran Duran and obviously loves their music.

Until then, I remain unmoved.

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

I was too young. I had to settle for seeing Power station live at the Cow Palace in S. San Francisco. OMD opened. And I have the same birthday as Roger Taylor. Amazing.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Thursday, 20 November 2003 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

cs appleby, there is no such thing as "too young".

I was born in late 1979, and look at how passionate a fan of Duran Duran I am. I've seen them six times in concert. Granted, it wasn't the "fab five" lineup I was seeing at the time, but I'm a huge fan of all the lineups the band has had, including the "unofficial Duran reunion-ette" otherwise known as The Devils. (Stephen Duffy and Nick Rhodes, together again for the first time since early 1979!)

However, with any luck, next year I will be seeing the "fab five" lineup, as they (hopefully) support that new album thing they've been talking about for over a year and a half already!

Pancakes For Breakfast! (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 20 November 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

Pancakes For Breakfast, you is awesome!

Wyclef Jean (who I've never listened to but he's a mainstream music guy), he listed Rio as his #1 favorite album ever, I'm pretty sure.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 20 November 2003 08:59 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
"[The box set] is so good, I might have to eat it!" is still the greatest piece of music criticism ever levelled upon ILM.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

I smothered it with brown mustard and relish.. it was so delicious!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

Zesty.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

Recent viewings of the Brit Awards and videos on MuchMoreMusic cement my feelings of "absolute dud". Yes, they are decent melodies, clever videos, etc. Just don't make me listen to it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:33 (twenty years ago) link

Did Spandau Ballet do "True"? I think I like that more than any DD song, although I'm a little embarrassed at having to make the comparison. I remember seeing "The Reflex" once and thinking that it had to be some sort of Western cultural nadir.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:41 (twenty years ago) link

Did Spandau Ballet do "True"?

Did they ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

Ummmmmm let's see,,,,,,, DUD all the way. The covers album could be the worst covers album ever released.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, Dud. except for like 10 of the best singles ever. This is where I wish I could do that change email name thing because then I would put something like spencerlebon@whothefuckwouldcallduranduranadud.com

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

Are they canon yet I wonder?

Dr C have you seen sense yet?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

A CLASSIC A CLASSIC A MOTHERFUCKING CLASSIC!!

So any word on the new album?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Spencer Chow ridiculously OTM. Disliking Duran is disliking style.

anode (anode), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

I always had this notion that they're music was too good to be done by them. I mean, how could these random guys be as tight as Chic and have these perfect pop tunes too??

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

I was totally wrong about Notorious, btw.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

Cuz when the chamber's empty...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Sorry, was scrolling and found this:
Look, Duran's music has saved my sanity time and again. "Ordinary World" and "So Long Suicide" are songs that have especially personal connotations to me. I have been a fan of the band through some of the rockiest of roads. I champion them and defend them and I am NOT about to have some random person tell me that all of that means nothing because it does. It may not to you, but it definitely does to me.

Praise Dee, for she understands. High five sistah.

My husband likes the Field Mice. The worst he's ever had to deal with is paying too much for an import album. Cry me a fucking river.

The day a Field Mice fan is cornered in a middle school cafeteria and publicly taunted by mean-spirited 12 year olds for liking the band is the day fortunate hazel wins the debate. There's a difference between liking a band that critics don't acknowledge or appreciate and loving a band to an overwhelming degree and having everyone -- critics, record store clerks, friends, lovers, enemies, random people on the street, radio and video program directors -- openly and publicly shitting on them for fifteen years just because they were popular and pretty.

Considering that being popular and pretty are two of the most important things in the world in most western cultures, this is only slightly ironic.

Catty (Catty), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Disliking Duran is disliking style.

Datz rich.

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

You should all go here and download the following movie:
http://www.electrictheatre.org.uk/movies/

it's DURANIME!

Experience Duran Duran live on the current tour. Do they sound just like the record? Almost. They're tighter than a [insert YOUR lewd comment here].

Catty (Catty), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Duran Duran have announced the name of their forthcoming album: Astronaut

Due: October 4th [UK] October 5th [US] on Epic

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 6 August 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked - and likes - OMD, Human League and New Order a LOT better than Duran Duran. So I wouldn't stretch to calling them "classic", but they're not dud either. They made good pop, and that's basically it, I think.

As far as the Field Mice comparison goes, I'm not really sure it's fair. Bobby Wratten has been vindicated those last few years (even though I know they were ridiculed in the eighties) with Trembling Blue Stars, recognized for the wonderful songwriter he is, but no such thing has happened to Duran Duran. I mean, the whole New Romantics movement is still considered vomit-inducing by many (most) music journalists.

Maria Jacobsson (mariajacobsson), Friday, 6 August 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link


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