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I don't hate Helmet or anything. I just don't want to think of that song every day now...(because your observation was very OTM)

― Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos I'm referring to Garrett Kamps.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

All I can say is: if any changes to the affected weeklies are going to make these papers approximate the LA Weekly today, especially in markets like Minneapolis and Seattle, the weeklies are going to suuuuuuck, and probably die. I've never read a paper so insipid and unmomentous.

Everything about the current LA Weekly -- design, font choices, articles, and all -- scream "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ".

― Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

aint that the truth.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt any of the pre-buyout VVM papers are going to be the model for anything.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think you can actually scream "ZZZZZZZZ."

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, the Voice itself is being made much more like the New Times papers, not the other way around. That's probably going to be how it goes everywhere else.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

So a national trend of false quotes and lawsuits then.

― Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

now, now

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

east bay express still intact for the time being?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

if i hear the words "rocky media landscape" one more time, i will eat my hat

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

http://ianandmanda.typepad.com/blog/files/rocks-mt-well.jpg

― Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

East Bay Express is GREAT! For awhile there had better music writing than both the SFWeekly and the Bay Guardian.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome to Park Slope, Matos!

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Excelsior &c.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly the SFWeekly just lost its music editor as well...

Garrett still works for SF Weekly. He moved to the front of the book.

― save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

In the last Village Voice Clubrat Special podcast Christgau says "...the Dean of American Rock Critics, Robert Christgau -- soon to be deposed, by the way, they're kicking me out..."

Does anyone know if this is true?

― Chuck B, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The Larry Summers of the music journalism world.

― Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he meant American rock critics no longer want him to be their dean.

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, you just admitted to listening to a Christgau podcast?

― meth lab for doug flutie (sanskrit), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

he comes off like a hip larry king!

― ant@work, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I just noticed that Riff Raff is GONE from the music page. Does this mean that they fired Nick, or just that his blog’s on “hiatus”?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

still there:
http://villagevoice.com/blogs/riffraff/

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, okay, but:

http://villagevoice.com/music/

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

my point being that the LINKS to riff raff aren't there on the main music page.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

they're under the "music" heading.
they'll probably start posting links to the individual posts when/if he starts up again next month

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

...

― Nick Sylvester, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome home.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be so sanguine, Ray.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sadly here in SF the SFBGuardian has a hard time competing

Really? I don't know anyone who reads the SF Weekly.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JBK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

-- Nick Sylvester

How much will you have to be paid off to go away for at least a year?

― Scrof Rufus, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm basing my judgment of the current SFWeekly vs. SFBG landscape on friends quitting the Guardian, the Guardian complaining (very LOUDLY) about the SFWeekly cutting into their ad revenue, the shrinking of the paper size, the recent switch to a crappier and lower-grade layout, etc. Kimberly Chun is awesome, and there are lots of things I like about the Guardian (I even approve of Brugman's often histrionic anti-PG&E/pro-public power crusade, for example) but it just seems like their days are numbered, to me.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? I would wager it's the other way aroung actually.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

well, I don't know anyone that works at the Weekly (as I did with the Guardian), so if there are "sinking ship" horror stories goin around that office, I wouldn't know.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

are there any instances of a local beating out a New Times competitor? I'm genuinely curious.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Shakey, the New Times L.A. paper was beaten by the Voice L.A. paper. (But now the New Times people are the Voice.) My impression back in the late '90s (based on no evidence but the Guardian's untrustworthy ranting) was that the S.F. Weekly was a money loser that New Times was using to get themselves in the SF market (much like the Post in New York). Maybe they're playing a long game, thinking that if the Guardian goes down, then the market will be theirs. In Denver, the New Times' real competition is The Onion, and my guess is that might be true elsewhere at all. But all of this post is guesswork, and any resemblance to reality is entirely coincidental.

(Nick S., hope you're doing well; drop by the country and teenpop threads.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"elsewhere at all" = "elsewhere as well"

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

My SFBG contacts are more worried about The Onion than the SF Weekly.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Steve I didn't know yr ex was the promo director at KUSF. what the fuck man.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody should sweat it. The newspaper I write for has been owned by three different companies in the past year. Welcome to 2006.

― Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.seattleweekly.com/music/0614/brian-barr.php

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 31 March 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

please note that this is just speculation at this time, but this, from Gawker seems particularly upsetting for any fans that the Voice still has.

http://www.gawker.com/news/village-voice/voice-to-can-classic-rockers-168088.php

Voice’ to Can Classic Rockers?
READ MORE: Village Voice, critics, jobs, music

20051014vv.jpgWith the caveat that we have absolutely no idea that this is really true, a source claiming to be familiar with the goings-on at Village Voice Media HQ in Phoenix passes along this prognostication:

"Thought you’d like a little crystal ball into the impending shitstorm at the Voice: Christgau and Eddy are getting the boot (apparently today) and it looks like they’ll be replaced by one of the guys from the Phoenix establishment. But, look on the bright side, at least Sylvester shot himself in the foot before he could get the job."

Is the tipster right or wrong? Are big-deal rock writers Robert Christgau and Chuck Eddy about to be kicked out onto Cooper Square? If you’ve got any info, let us know. And we’ll update when we know more.

― that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

not chuck eddy :(

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not a Christgau fan by any means, but come on... I spent my teenage years in Phoenix and the people who write about music for the New Times are hacks. Christgau may have shitty tase--in my opinion--and he may write about things 6 months too late, but at least he can write!

That said, I'll save my rage for when they can Hoberman.

― Hatch (Hatch), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

They've updated, "confirming" that Chuck is gone. What a drag.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the pitchforking of music criticism is nigh

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't believe it til Chuck says it.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

A Voice colleague has confirmed it to me offlist. :(

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

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