Pit Bulls: What's the appeal?

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beekman, Monday, 26 January 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

Appeal of pit-bulls: they sure got some scrotumsacks on 'em don't they?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

Even the female ones too. Bitchballs ahoy!

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

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They don't make signs like this for beagles or collies, though, do they.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

Look at this face!
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luna (luna.c), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

Look at this wound!
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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

Jack Russells KICK ASS. Oh, I love those lil guys!!

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yep, it's pretty awful. But that dog didn't do it.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, but one just like'im did!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

I've gotten wounds that bad from drunken shenanigens. I call...er...SHENANIGENS!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

So Alex what are you trying to prove? That pits can bite people and when they do it can be very damaging? Nobody is arguing against that.

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, slow down, dog-loving lynch mob. I'm just being the devil's advocate here. The question I asked at the top of thread was genuine -- I sincerely don't understand the appeal of these dogs, especially in light of the damage they can do and their notorious track record (and for the record, I don't believe that it's simply media hype ala "Summer of the Shark" etc.)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe part of their appeal IS their ability to fuck-shit-up. A well-trained fuck-shit-up dog might seem very appealing in terms of personal protection and whatnot. I guess what I'm saying is, considering a well-trained pit is more likely to fuck up some would-be attacker's shit than their owners, well...where's the non-appeal in that?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

Sick balls Chopper etc...

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

Sharks can and do bite humans, but it's a pretty rare thing. Same with pitbulls. Overestimating the dangers of both is largely do to an availability heuristic.

There have been several owners here who explained why they love their pitbulls. What more do you want? What would make you understand?

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

Why not simply invest in a pair of brass knuckles and a can of mace then? Cheaper, and you don't have to walk them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

Sharks can and do bite humans, but it's a pretty rare thing. Same with pitbulls.

Yeah, but no one keeps sharks as free-roaming pets, per se.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

Which makes it even more amazing that there are relatively few incidents!

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

TS: keeping dogs that are more likely to kill your baby Vs. keeping dogs that are less likely to kill your baby.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, like I said - once you get to know the breed, you'll come to love them. Unless you're not a dog lover at all.

I used to be afraid of them until my sister got one. They really are -extremely- affectionate and follow you everywhere. They're also really playful and are great clowns. Also very, very obedient.

It's kind of hard to explain if you don't have one. You develop a strong trusting bond with these dogs - you really feel you know them, so you really don't think twice that they will attack you.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

i think we all recognize the "thug" appeal of dogs like these.
but i don't think alex and i will be able to overcome our doggie-discrimination + understand the appeal of a pit-bull (or any similar breed) as a family pet.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

also, they're not free-roaming, ie leash laws

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, like I said - once you get to know the breed, you'll come to love them. Unless you're not a dog lover at all.

Once again -- don't misunderstand me. I'm not spearheading a movement to eliminate pit bulls, I'm just trying to fathom why a rational person would want such a dog (and for what it's worth, I remain unconvinced of their appeal). Perhaps I'm simply buying into the negative aspects of their reputation, but said reputation is steeped in some pretty grizzly fact. Also, I suspect many (read:NOT ALL) pit bull owners see them as some sort've tough guy mystique-enhancing accessory as opposed to a proper pet.

I don't know any pit bulls. I haven't had any bad experiences with them (my bad dog experiences involve Boxers, actually). I'm just puzzled by their appeal.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Things that Alex in NYC Doesn't Like: What's the Appeal?

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

It's still a legitimate question.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

if you want an "affectionate", "playful", "loyal", "clown" - what is wrong with a retriever or a penguin¿ perhaps a tiger for the kids to play with¿

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

Or a drunken hobo clown?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

Hahaha.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

"I've heard many stories of once stray or abandoned pit bulls being adopted out to families with kids, and very successfully."
my parents adopted a stray pit bull when i was 3 or 4 and he died when i was about 14. he was the kindest, gentlest, most playful dog i've had (out of 4) and the only time he ever snapped at anyone was at a party of our when some jackass started swatting him and yanking on his tail and shit. he didnt even bite the guy. just snapped and growled.
the only dog i've been bit by is a chow, for what it's worth.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

They give great big bear hugs. Therefore, they have -hug- appeal.

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And pits are just better than labs. Sorry, but I think labs are more boring.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

I don't really get the whole pet thing, to be honest. I must love Hitler or something.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

OH MY GOD has that ever made my day!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

I certainly have them to enhance my tough guy appeal.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

"I don't really get the whole pet thing, to be honest. I must love Hitler or something."
don't feel bad. i don't like babies. or cake.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

How about Hitler-shaped cakes made out of babies?

I certainly have them to enhance my tough guy appeal.

Luna, I said SOME pit bull owners.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, what's still a legitimate question? HOW MANY TIMES DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT? You don't see the appeal. Many people have said what they like about pits, but somehow you don't see it. I don't know what to tell you, broheems.

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I know, Alex, I was just making myself laugh there. Nothing to see here.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

really, i'd prefer hitler-shaped brownies made out of babies.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

HOW MANY TIMES DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT?

Maybe I AM NOT CONVINCED BY YOUR EXPLANATION, how about that?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

hitler was a dog lover, actually.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe this is more constructive: do you pit-bull owners ever feel stigmatized? Do you ever sense that people are fearful?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

So you're not convinced that people have pits who are loving, playful, obedient, etc? I don't think there's anything anyone here could say that would get you to see their appeal, but that's your MO pretty much so hey. (no disrespect)

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

i think he doesnt see how the appeal of pit bulls could possibly override the possible danger that comes with owning a pit bull.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

Sure, reduce me to a cartoon character, then say "No disrespect". Yeah right.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

ts: appeal of pitbulls in comparison to inherent danger vs. appeal of automobiles in comparison to inherent danger

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

What made me think of this thread in the first place...

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I see that point. I myself wouldn't choose to own one. But it must be that he overestimates the danger and underestimates the appeal (to people other than him, of course)

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haha basically you ARE a cartoon character to me, and I don't think I'm alone in thinking that here

oops (Oops), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

These were *not* pit-bulls, btw.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link


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