rolling stupid fruity crazy swag thread

this yela is dope, ty goons.

one thing about the conscious decision to make more 'album' like shiz is... are interludes and skits finally starting to die off? i'm hearing a lot less of them these days.

One thing that I like about Yelawolf is he's such a musical rapper. He really reacts to changes in the beat.

yeah start the gibbs backlash without me. yiz are tripping. as musical a rapper as anybody both in the melodies (you know that's him singing on there right?) and the syncopation of his raps. And huge fun. the hyper falsetto behind those "smoke like i've never smoked before" lines on the midwestgangta bonus track is lol. sorry if u don't get it because those tapes gave me as much pleasure as any rap release last year.

deej: i like those two cuts from dj fresh, the tonite show: the album. are they obvious standouts or is it good throughout? i don't love the style so much that i'd take a chance on the strength.

the yelawolf is very good. there are six strong cuts on it: Box Chevy 3, Speak Her Sex (hate that pun, gonna just call it Speaker Sex. who is that singer? i like how she seems oblivious to yelawolf's verses), Pop the Trunk, Love Is Not Enough, Good to Go, and I Wish in very roughly that order. The last verse of Good to Go so good ("'Pocket Full of Stoooooones'" from falling off his bike or something?) but the hook is a bit obnoxious. He gets so complex in his verses on this tape and has all these melodic touches that he simplifies way too much sometimes on the hook ("In This Club" for instance is inexplicable). Compare it to the drama he injects into a car song (Box Chevy) and it feels like missed opportunities. Rittz kills it on that, who is that guy? I really like the device of ending the verses to Love Is Not Enough with a last line rapped (more like spoken) overlapping with the first sung (is there a name for that overlap verse chorus device?) "rollin' down 20 man" with what seems to me a slightly different enunciation every time that has a slightly different emotional emphasis. Trunk Muzik is a comp of his mixtape cuts, right? The youmustlearn piece referenced these tracks.

it's funny that there are "ways in" to all the new rappers that are currently hot on the internet. gibbs has that from where?, dropped by interscope, releasing music for free narrative. pill has the killer mike affiliation, connection with gibbs, "trap goin ham" vid. yelawolf is a white rapper from alabama who looks like a NY hipster trying to look like yelawolf and ppl have found that identity intriguing. G-Side are a bit of an exception since they came up on appreciation of the production. Still kind of an exotic locale as far as rap goes, tho, i suppose.

loool @ "yelawolf is a white rapper from alabama who looks like a NY hipster trying to look like yelawolf"

wait so the reason i should not be bored by a man named freddie gibbs is because 1) he was dropped by interscope and 2) he's musical and something about the "syncopation of his raps"

right.

devin the dude + z-ro are still rapping and have made enough extra music for me before i have to resort to a tribute rapper. theyre not even dead yet

sorry i don't give a fuck what brings you pleasure. do your thing listen to your old man from the midwest internet rap tape and see which of you two can name all the UGK albums fastest. there's not much to not get about these dudes. the shit that freddie gibbs represents is not what i look for in new rappers, he's revisionist in the same way someone who is not from new york would hyper-value the sean prices of the world and create their own little 90s golden age ressurected version of that sound, plus they'd be from like pittsburgh or some shit, in this hypothetical analogy that i'm creating. sounds fucking awful. shit's boring. pill's boring too but at least he's got a youthful, exciting kind of urgency that reminds me of rap and why i liked every single rapper ive ever liked, even though i don't really even like him very much.

only dude i'm gonna ride for out of the new hyped rappers of right now is Nipsey Hussle.

and what backlash? mp3 blog posts do not a critical consensus make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zla7j82Yjdo

this right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_2NMD0mRs

don't really understand the vituperation of your reply. is this one of these rap discussion on the internet things where everybody has to act like they hate each other yet keep coming back every day to the same people? i've seen that a lot in chatrooms and forums and it's pretty sadsack.

the narrative isn't a reason you should care, i'm just pointing out that it exists for each of these guys. not like say termanology releasing an indie single that the source picks up for unsigned hype that premo hears and they record "watch how it go down" which magazines check for in turn. that sort of buzz was still happening four years ago and maybe it isn't now.

"what backlash?" haven't seen any bad reviews, seen lots of good ones.

yeah i was suggesting that musical and "syncopation of his raps" (something funny about that phrase? you know, the rhythms and pitches of the words in relationship to the beat) are two reasons why i care. devin and z-ro are great, z-ro's record was probably top 3 of the year for me, but there's litle virtuoso "look what you did to me" style fast rapping on it, is that old hat and revisionist now? i don't hear anything retro in the gibbs productions so it's not a mausoleum for me. rae's was a mausoleum, bt something good done well is its own pleasure, i don't fiend for trends. anyway my note was a kind of sadness or frustration that rap fans like you weren't feeling something that i like so much so swallow your bile, eh?

i like sean price also.

deej posted that philty upthread, i don't like it much. yelawolf/bun b is also in here twice. it's not even a long thread.

@matt upthread: you're welcome!

people have a weird habit here of posting the same youtubes more than once in the same thread, as if threads aren't hard enough to load for some of us with them being posted once. there's a maxwell thread where someone posted "pretty wings" like 8 times for some reason.

the tonite show album is hit or miss. the tracks with bay dudes tend to be great, tracks with non-bay dudes tend to not be. fresh is great, though he releases so much shit that you will find yourself hitting the skip button from time to time

theres a fair amount of genericism w/in the bay shit as far as rappers go (w/ some notable exceptions -- mob figaz & a couple of the guys from live wire, particularly j-stalin) but that stuff is more about being this alternate universe where rap & pop still intersect, just in a really insular universe. the further the rappers move from home the worse their shit tends to sound. jacka & freeway was zzz

the exception is i like how mob figaz sound with cormega -- hes a perfect fit for some reason. i think because there's a big NY influence in a lot of their shit, especially jacka's

husalah, jacka & j stalin are the most exciting rappers in the scene, imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qx83P9V7is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wADXuyQVd3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_FsMNvGbeI

this was probably j-stalin's biggest track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTzHvpeANZk
I like 'rock day' (the one surfboards posted) ok but i think theres gonna be better stuff on that album when it leaks

frankly considering how generic clipse & gibbs & pill can sound id be shocked if this stuff was too generic for ppl

the shit that freddie gibbs represents is not what i look for in new rappers

i don't disagree w/ surfboards re: gibbs — in fact i think he makes good points, some i've articulated before about gibbs/pill being the mirror images of rappers like the xxl freshmen that southern gangster rap fans like to mock - but surfboards did post about anticipating a triple c's album. so ymmv

re: shipley - i couldn't even imagine trying to load a goon/ringtone thread after like... march w/o bookmarking

man the gibbs hate is really bumming me out. i listened to miseducation so much...i think he's great.

re: yelawolf - a large reason why the album is great is because he can do so many styles well - his double time rapping is really good, but then he ends the tape with real melodic, soothing tracks where he sings just really well - i think everyone likes to throw out ugk as a reference point since they've kind of become an all encompassing touchstone for southern rap after their critical/commercial renaissance, but the singing on "love is not enough" really does remind me of that soulful singing that pimp c did

i just roll w/images off

ok, am i the only one who finds the name 'J. Stalin' to be a bit....uh...much? it would be like being a rapper named 'eazy hitler'

(even if it is his real name or whatever)

man the gibbs hate is really bumming me out. i listened to miseducation so much...i think he's great.

― jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, January 6, 2010 2:09 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark

i think really what the problem is that while a lot of people like the tape & respect him as an artist and all, the amount of words spent on him on the internet - which is where a lot of us 'reside' when it comes to rap, talking about discourse here - except of course for deej who works with asylum/warner bros a&rs @ wrigley field if i'm not mistaken - really exceeds what he presents. the problem is that people nowadays - i'm sure i'm guilty of this as well, so not throwing stones - can't just talk about rap w/o talking about 'can this person be popular? why isn't he popular? shouldn't he be more popular? shouldn't he be as popular as this person? this is why major labels are fucked up' - etc. and when you have someone like freddie gibbs who was dropped from a major for - imo - obvious reasons, it's like "shut up jeff weiss, he is not the best cross section of biggie & pac and he was dropped for a good reason if you're trying to make money. just chill out"

yeah i guess i don't really go to the blogs or other rap boards or anything....my whole view of what's going on in rap is pretty much this thread haha....

to me dude is just some good, skilled meat and potatoes gangster shit and a good rapper...i can't really get that concerned about the "state of rap" anymore, just trying to find little nuggets of stuff that suits my tastes

and you should! probably a lot less internal handwringing than the rest of us

minneapolis's hip hop/r&b station just switched formats : (

going to a top 40 format

goodbye TI, 'ello lady gaga

lol @ my interactions w/ asylum A&Rs
working there was like working in an asylum fwiw

surfboards is just biting our / noz's ahead-of-the-game sigh-ing about f gibbs. imo gibbs does stuff well, but it still feels removed & kinda pointless right now, an exercise in certain styles

duuude no way is that touching "Rock Day"! i caught myself genuinely daydreaming about/considering dealing drugs this morning after listening to that like five times in a row

the problem with this little axis isn't that their generic but between all of them there's like 7437484 street albums, mixtapes and retail CDs to wade through

re: double posting of nu-bay tracks...i believe we did this same thing but in reverse order in autogoon with Husalah "pray for you" but i didn't say anything cuz that track is fucking amazing

ep: 4:19 PM holy shit this is great http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/gibbs.jpg
lol this lil indie korean girl i work with who exclusively fucks with like phoenix and animal collective is into freddie gibbs
4:20 PM me: haha not surprised
dude hes the first rap artist since NWA to grace the cover of the LA Weekly
thanks passion of the weiss
ep: i.c.
id rather fuck with nwa
me: yes
ep: yeah id rather fuck with yooooou
4:21 PM me: freddie gibbs has some joints. i like "murder on my mind"
midwest double time shit
hes 'promising' but thats about it
right now
ep: i just cant bring myself to give a shit when i could be listening to actual greats
4:22 PM me: yeah thats my basic take on it
noz did a big post about that too
ep: its like playing jamiroquai instead of stevie or something

rock day is cool but it doesnt scream 'lead single' to me or anything

'paint the town' def kicks the shit out of it

but really, is anyone being talked about on this thread right now up there with the "actual greats"?

comparing new, emergent artists to "actual greats" really is dumb though

were you talking about the Tonite Show with J Stalin mixtape or the "Tonite Show the Album"?

i listened to the Messy Marv tonite show a while ago but don't remember it.

xxxp to deej

i was talking about tonite show the album, dj fresh's solo record. hearing dude producing for kool g rap is interesting in a <del>comic book</del> rap nerd when-universes-collide way but its not actually great music

messy marv w/ dj fresh is pretty cool, but its way short

j stalin mixtape w fresh was called 'the real world 2' & real world 1 from a few years back is good too

but really, is anyone being talked about on this thread right now up there with the "actual greats"?

― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Wednesday, January 6, 2010 4:38 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no but these bay dudes for example are doing something different & fresh that im not getting from classic rap

i got the prenup thing and gas nation that's it. gonna have to go in

not afraid to say that i love the D-Lo song from the Tonite Show album.

yeah its good

you should get jacka's street album from late 08 too, i like it more than his album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSIQEKK3H64

lolllll

Wait, isn't D-Lo's album called The Tonite Show, too? Is this some huge bay meme?

okay, i'm raising the point again: J. STALIN IS A FUCKING AWFUL NAME FOR A RAPPER.

that said, i am enjoying reading and listening to the stuff on this thread.

dj fresh does a series of tapes w/ different rappers called "the tonite show" -- with young gully, messy marv, san quinn (zzz), D-Lo, etc

he also did a solo record that features highlights of his own, which is the only one that was an officially released album.

they're all produced by him

hahaha yeah i agree that NWA is way better than freddie gibbs.

also NWA is way better than every single artist that will be mentioned on this thread all year.

man the gibbs hate is really bumming me out. i listened to miseducation so much...i think he's great.

― jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, January 6, 2010 2:09 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark

i think really what the problem is that while a lot of people like the tape & respect him as an artist and all, the amount of words spent on him on the internet - which is where a lot of us 'reside' when it comes to rap, talking about discourse here - except of course for deej who works with asylum/warner bros a&rs @ wrigley field if i'm not mistaken - really exceeds what he presents. the problem is that people nowadays - i'm sure i'm guilty of this as well, so not throwing stones - can't just talk about rap w/o talking about 'can this person be popular? why isn't he popular? shouldn't he be more popular? shouldn't he be as popular as this person? this is why major labels are fucked up' - etc. and when you have someone like freddie gibbs who was dropped from a major for - imo - obvious reasons, it's like "shut up jeff weiss, he is not the best cross section of biggie & pac and he was dropped for a good reason if you're trying to make money. just chill out"

― total eclipse of the shart (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, January 6, 2010 3:14 PM (3 hours ago)

yeah the first part of this is right, writerly contextualizing bullshit basically. like the music or dont

actually that whole post otm

actually the j stalin/Beeda Weeda Tonite Show one seems to be retail as well, or at last it made its way onto amazon

also, upthread table said j stalin is like calling yourself eazy hitler

but it's actually like calling your self

A HITLER

rappers done been calling themselves after dictators (though not A. Hitler, pretty sure that one's taboo)

i mean, i was just trying to make it more crazy swag.

that said, i actually cannot get over the fact that J. Stalin thinks that's an ok name to have. it's just o_O to me.