Big & Rich: Album of the Decade?

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OMG! I've tried in vain to convince my wife to see them on the Tim McGraw tour at the freakin Tweeter Center in Tinley Park. Ain't gonna happen. CBGB's?!?!? Wahhhhhhh! Is it too much to ask they play the Empty Bottle next time they come through Chicago?

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

did you manage to talk to them chuck?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

my only complaint is how they insist on constantly introducing cowboy troy (who rapped in 5 languages including russian and mandarin chinese, i think) as "OUR BLACK COWBOY RAPPER," like we wouldn't notice what color he is otherwise.

It's that later they're going to introduce their orange one, then their green one. (I am quite jealous of y'all, in any event.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

>did you manage to talk to them chuck? <

yeah, them and cowboy troy, and they were all really nice guys, and they kept thanking me for my voice review, and they complimented me on my cowboy shirt and stuff, but we didn't have time to do any kinda in-depth interview about their lifestyle proclivities or anything....

chuck, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

they kept thanking me for my voice review

Hey, nice!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, actually big and rich had sent me a really nice handwritten thank you letter in the mail, the week the review came out. They seem convincingly blown away by all the radio and press attention the record's getting, and so did all the biz people they were surrounded with last night -- publicists, A&R types, etc. I don't think anybody expected the record to be this big; lots of people apparently thought radio wouldn't touch the thing. (A few country stations are still holding out, actually, even though the album is at #3 on the country chart and "save a horse" is something like the #18 country single.)

chuck, Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i arrived at cbgbs as soon as i could, which was 10:30 pm, and i was walking up third street i saw two guys walking by me in the opposite direction wearing big & rich t-shirts. i figured that was a bad sign, and it was.

so are there any other ny shows, or did they just go right back home, dammit?

and, speaking of dammit, i wish i'd known about that after party. sigh.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

they're apparently on the road now - philadelphia, then hartford, and so on; i think these are opening spots for tim mcgraw, and probably not club shows, though i might be wrong. (at the cutting room after party, by the way, the saxophonist-assisted piano man who'd opened the cb's show and has a song that sounds like "cold as ice" by foreigner had a bob marley banner hanging from his keyboard, and some skinny white guy did a long freestyle-or-whatever rap throwdown duet with cowboy troy, and some people covered "can't you see" by the marshall tucker band, and some guitar player was wearing an ac/dc t-shirt, and there was some lady painting on an easel in front of the stage, and big and rich did a song or two that aren't on their album. the whole thing was way more jam-band-hippiefied than i would've predicted, but not necessarily in a bad way. the cb's show was a lot better and more fun, but the music mafia thing is where they get loose and less rehearsed, i guess; it was sort of like one long much-improvised song without any real beginning or ending to it.)

chuck, Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

apparently people like kid rock and bret michaels from poison have been showing up for the music mafia events in nashville; that's where gretchen wilson first made her mark, too, if i'm not mistaken.

chuck, Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds both scary and fun. thanks for the report!

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck, ever heard james otto? someone told me he's the only other muzic mafia guy with a record out. never heard of him until yesterday, though.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

no, not yet, but i've been meaning to check him out....

chuck, Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck, all this stuff sounds so up your alley i have this wierd suspicion that you must have some how orchestrated the b&r/mafia thing through some secret, Illuminati-funded plot.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm shocked by how random friends with disparate tastes are all asking me if I've heard Big & Rich. When the Wilco nuts, Chuck and my best friend all agree...fuck, I've got to hear this thing.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I must say, it's good stuff

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

no friends of mine are asking about b & r. in fact, i'm wondering what i'll do if one of them hears me listening to them. i don't know how to explain it -- "it's country and it sounds hokey but some of it is really good!" -- it just takes a leap of faith, really

common_person (common_person), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually assumed it was an indie thing like Beachwood Sparks or something until I saw the Voice article!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I enjoy the hokeyness. The album is such a satisfying listening experience. You do have to be open to it though (i think). But you could say that about a lot of stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

There are always gonna be people who can't listen to rap/metal/country with an open mind/heart.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, I was once in your position but I've come to see the light. My girl, too. We'd been talking for weeks about seeing this show. Signed up for their sweepstakes and everything and now feel like such an idiot for missing it. Anyway, the record's got a couple of clunkers, but overall, it is so damn fun.

danh (danh), Friday, 25 June 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
So, just a note to say that this is now the number two country album in the country (behind Gretchen Wilson), and just entered Billboard's top ten pop album chart overall this week. It's apparently getting lots of airplay on *The World Series of Poker* as well. Frank Kogan says he keeps trying to find something else to be his album of the year, since Big & Rich don't often hit him on an *emotional* level per se' (his favorite thing on the album is the "cossack" stuff, as he called it, at end of "Real World"), but to no avail; he just keeps putting their album back on again and again anyway, and besides even with the Courtney Love album he basically only loves two songs, and this one only has a couple tracks he DOESN'T care about. He also says Cowboy Troy is a real good rapper, reminding him that the first rapper to tell people to throw hands in the air like they just don't care was Cowboy of Grandmaster Flash's Furious Five. In other news, Mr. Wonka, who screwed and chopped several '70s metal classics on his *Codeine Rock* CD-R early this year, has just recorded a "Paper-Rollin'" screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin (The Ballad of Big and Rich)," which he has already been in touch with Cowboy Troy about...

chuck, Friday, 16 July 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

re Bee Gees harmonies - check out "New York Mining Disaster"

dave q, Friday, 16 July 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

In other news, Mr. Wonka, who screwed and chopped several '70s metal classics on his *Codeine Rock* CD-R early this year, has just recorded a "Paper-Rollin'" screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin (The Ballad of Big and Rich)," which he has already been in touch with Cowboy Troy about...

Has this actually vibrated your eardrum, Chuck? I'm intrigued...

As to whether anything has surpassed this as my own album of the year, I can respond in one syllable: no. I've moved from song to song and vibe to vibe on it and still love it. Doesn't get as much play as back in June, but it's still tops.

frankE (frankE), Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3892581.stm

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

They're the Junior Senior of country!

Based on the five tracks I've heard, this seems to be among the most OTM notes on this puppy.

I'll be buying this week.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and I'm an ex-Nashvillian and I can tell you that the music industry treats even B-list rockers like royalty. Fuck, Kid Rock can own an entire club just by walking in. It's like when fat ugly people vacation as sex tourists in Third World countries so that they can be flattered, buttered up and blown.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

should read: the music industry THERE ("there" being Nashville) treats even B-list rockers yadda yadda

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

anthony easton on the new york london paris munich website:

>Big and Rich Save A Horse, Ride a Cowboy.

This is not country--it is on country radio, country music television,the country station on Yahoo Launch, and reviewed as country by Chuck Eddy in the Village Voice. I am glad that it is well liked, that it is getting notice and that it is the Video to Watch according to Yahoo,and the most requested on my local country radio station. The thing is that the whole thing is too camp, too sexy, too artificial, too glam to be country. It shows off too much, its all about the egos of Mr Big and Mr Rich. A a real cowboy doesn't give out 100 dollar bills to random bar patrons, there is a New York reference and no cowboy ever came to NYC--Joe Buck excepted.

This is country. It quotes Willie Nelson who is always automatically country. Not only does Willie come in to play, so do horses and that makes it doubly country (see Beer For My Horses by Toby Keith and MrNelson). It features getting drunk and making out in the back of apick up truck (not fucking, the fucking is implied, no this is just a little touch football). The title is that slightly risque pun that has been done since the beginning. As well, there are the fiddles...country has fiddle solos, nothing else does. Plus it combines sex and salvation--Jesus and Jezebel have been recent development, but they are there--Jason McCoy's Born Again in Dixieland is the only one that comes immediately to mind.

It might be hip hop. The highly self aware samples that are found through out the track and what begins it. (anyways aren't horse samples in, what with the newish noisy Missy Eliot). Then the handing out random money and buying rounds as a way to win games of masculine performance, would fit in quite well. As well, the mention of the phrases Bling Bling, Escalade, Freak Parade and Getting Buzzed. Then there is all the talking in the third person "having as big and Rich time", and some of the fiddle solos are thoroughly electronic.

Looking at the video, and how Big and Rich look like a fagged up Brooks and Dunn--if Brooks and Dunn weren't fagged up enough as it is, plus all of the heavily sexualised weirdness(Drag Queens, Dwarfs,Chorus lines of business suited girls in elaborate garters) , plus how they use the same bridge that Kenny Chesney used for the Young video, which couldn't be more earnest, and this couldn't be less. Maybe it is a conflation of pop and country music trends, a careful, ironic gloss on the nature of where things are, but that care is taken to make sure that it is more fun--its like he is countryfying the same shit that everyone else has been listening to in the last few years (ie Crown vs Kristal, the girls drinking long necks, etc.)

I wonder if this cross pollution is worth doing...country took from the alt boom a new traditionalism in subject matter, but not musically in a way that makes anything interesting. This might be a thumb nose to how fucking boring things have become, how treacly and how poignant. We used to have big summer anthems that came blaring from sexy boys in pick up trucks, and there hasn't been one in a long time-- this one isn't the most usual sense but it might just work until we get something really new tweaked.

Anthony Easton

chuck, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Finally am hearing this damn thing and so far all that's been described for it is accurate. It's designed to piss off so many people by being so good in different ways! I approve.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Because of the poll results, I listened to this last week.
I had never heard of them before.

I will not ever need to listen again.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

har har. your loss p.p.

"holy water", "wild west show", "save a horse", etc., etc. have stood my quarterly review. this made my best of the decade and will undoubtedly be in my year end best-of list.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

For me, not even close. "ForwardthinkingYoungCountry" might be an important tool to help Nascar Nation get its head outta its ass, but
I'm positive there's a lot of other stuff out there that I haven't heard yet that I'll check out before giving this another shot.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

btw I wasn't pissed off when I listened to the album...
...just a shrug

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

hey peepee try this:
headphones on a nice long walk
on a real hot day

that's when it started
to make sense to me at first
it's got, like, layers

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i was sort of underwhelmed by the big single, but i like anthony's review and i'm totally willing to get into this if i can. i hope i can get a copy someday.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it's got, like, layers

Quite a few. Drags a bit in the middle, I think, but that's some damn good hard rock there (along with everything else). It's sorta like what Kid Rock was/is trying for, but better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the three god songs really aren't all that (well, two of 'em), and the fake-indian and fake-cowboy one just bore the bejeezus outta me. but it's a great fun shiny thing anyway, even if I don't really want to listen to it weekly or anything

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if i was skeptical before (and remain a bit so) it's because the *concept* seems to very obviously push certain of chuck's buttons: admixture of "black" and "white" genres that will possibly confound and excite fans of both; unabashedly populist (and popular); etc. which is not to say that the *music* isn't necessarily great, but a lot of critical hosannas (in general, not just referring to chuck or to this album) seem to be a response to what an album *represents* more than how it *sounds*.... i think that explains a lot of the albums on the pazz & jop polls that we now look at and just shrug (arrested development etc.). but the fact that so many people--with different perspectives/tastes/agendas-- have given this album a thumb's up makes me much more willing to give it a chance.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

a lot of critical hosannas (in general, not just referring to chuck or to this album) seem to be a response to what an album *represents* more than how it *sounds*

Heh. Interestingly enough, this is often what I was thinking about many (not all) reactions to Justified.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

C'mon Ned, you doubt ppl's honest reactions to "Cry Me A River"?

djdee2005, Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

*SIGH*

MANY (NOT ALL)

If needed, I will e-mail an mp3 of that on an endless loop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha heaven.

djdee2005, Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i was all ready to believe the hype up through "Holy Water," but the album seems to fall apart a bit after that - "Saved" and "Drinkin' Bout You" are pretty good, but "Real World" and the last two are instantly forgettable, "Save a Horse" still just sounds too bad-gimmicky to me, and "Love Train" is execrable. It's still top 20 of the year for me just cause of greatness like "Wild West Show," "Kick My Ass," and "Six Foot Town" though.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 2 September 2004 06:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I played my friend "rollin'" & she said it sounded like "that country song metallica did".

etc, Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:19 (nineteen years ago) link

See my girlfriend's comments upthread; weird, why do GIRLS hear the metallica connection? except i wonder what "country song metallica did" your friend is talking about --"whiskey in the jar," maybe?

people have been writing about how the album sounds, not just what it stands for, ever since the thing came out (all through this thread, and elsewhere). ditto justin's album, so i don't get that complaint at all. but that's just me. + "real world," "save a horse," and "wild west show" are three of the best songs on the album, to my ears. though it's still neat how people gravitate toward different tracks.

chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ned: i know what you mean about justin timberlake. i think the album is spotty, although there isn't a song that i really dislike, just a few i'm sort of "eh" about.

i think an album can have enormous merit and *still* be sort of misjudged (not necessarily "overrated") by its critics on account of what it represents in the marketplace. but like i said, this is a skepticism i'm happy to put aside right now. i know many people have been writing about how the record sounds--the reason i'm more open to it than my reaction to the single would normally allow.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And oddly, "Holy Water," which lots of people seem to love, is one my *least* favorite tracks (though I still like it fine); it's kinda draggy, like most of the slower songs except "Wild West Show" (which is completely beautiful; that Morricone/Duane Eddy twang kills me every time). But again, different strokes...

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chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

god the morricone/eddy twang in 'hey ya' (i've called it that for a while now, why stop now) totally makes it for me too, for some reason (or several actually) this song always reminds me of 'seminole wind' which is only one of my fave songs ever so i'm sure that plays into my loving it too

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Seminole Wind" by John Anderson; wow, that TOTALLY makes sense. And that was one of the best country songs of the '90s, easy -- especially the long version with all that okefenokee swamp alligator music at the beginning. (Donna the Buffalo do a really good cover of that song, by the way.) (Weirdly, though, what "Wild West Show" always makes ME think of is "Indian Outlaw" -- though the Big & Rich version is much better than the Tim McGraw version.)

chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate "holy water" and "real world" is easily the best song on the album

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link


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