Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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the best show

-+-+-++++, Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...
bbc 2 currently showing TOS series 1 and TNG Series 1 on saturday afternoons, some of which i've only seen once, 10 or 15 years ago ("Bonk, Bonk On The Head)". how did they ever think the first episode of TNG was in any way a good episode to show first? and the bridge just looks so empty, especially when looking towards the view screen.


Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I love being reminded of that Ronan/Ethan exchange.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I was thinking about it yesterday while watching the early episode with Worf's babymama (complete with STERN KLINGON PANTSUIT).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Star Trek's ok, I can wtch it happily enough, but there's lots of vastly superior SF out there, mostly in written form. I like the characters and slightly psychadelic feel in the sixties series.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link

the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

this = most otm thing ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i did enjoy most of the spinoffs but Enterprise was a bridge (ha ha) too far.

there was a time when 3 different series were being shown at 6pm on bbc2 every week, tue, wed and thu. hard to imagine now.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 7 August 2006 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Original series premiered 40 years ago today. Live long enough and get rich!

I wonder what Sulu and Chekov are singing in that pic.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link

live music by a Klingon band

Though I admit the language would be good for black metal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

its called star track get 1 brian morans

and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Have we talked about this yet?

"Hollywood, Calif. -- STAR TREK is getting a 21st century makeover. CBS Paramount Domestic Television is releasing digitally remastered episodes of the iconic 1960s sci-fi series, with all new special effects and music, to celebrate the groundbreaking series' 40th anniversary, it was announced today by John Nogawski, president of CBS Paramount Domestic Television.

The new episodes also mark the first time in 16 years that the original STAR TREK series can be seen in broadcast syndication. The episodes will begin airing on the more than 200 stations that own the rights to the weekend broadcast syndication window starting Sept. 16 (check local listings for station and dates). All 79 episodes of the original STAR TREK series will eventually be remastered, with the first batch of episodes chosen from a list of STAR TREK fans' favorite shows.

STAR TREK redefined science-fiction and constantly pushed the envelope with concepts that were ahead of their time," Nogawski said. "By giving the series a digital upgrade using the best technology available today, it will continue to be a leader in cutting-edge television programming as we introduce the series to a new generation of viewers."

The most noticeable change will be redoing many of the special effects, created with 1960s technology, with 21st century computer-generated imagery (CGI). That includes:

• Space ship exteriors -- The space ship Enterprise, as well as other Starships, will be replaced with state of the art CGI-created ships. The new computer-generated Enterprise is based on the exact measurements of the original model, which now rests in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

• Show opening -- The Enterprise and planets seen in the main title sequence will be redone, giving them depth and dimension for the first time.

• Galaxy shots -- All the graphics of the galaxy, so frequently seen through the window on the Enterprise's bridge, will be redone.

• Exteriors -- The battle scenes, planets and ships from other cultures (notably the Romulan Bird of Prey and Klingon Battle Cruisers) will be updated.

• Background scenes -- Some of the iconic, yet flat, matte paintings used as backdrops for the strange, new worlds explored by the Enterprise crew will get a CGI face-lift, adding atmosphere and lighting.

The refurbished episodes also feature higher quality sound for the famous opening theme. The original score by Emmy Award-winning composer Alexander Courage has been re-recorded in state-of-the-art digital stereo audio with an orchestra and a female singer belting out the famous vocals. A digitally remastered version of William Shatner's classic original recording of the 38-word "Space, the final frontier…" monologue continues to open each episode.

The remastered episodes have been converted from the original film into a High-Definition format, which gives viewers a clearer, crisper, more vibrant picture than before, even when viewed in standard definition. Once stations upgrade and start broadcasting HD signals, the episodes will be all ready for viewers to enjoy in HD."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

No Jar Jar Binks? RIPOFF.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Such a horrible idea. Altering lame sets and cheesy spaceship models - how does that IMPROVE the series? 75% of the Star Trek charm is kitsch. Lose that and you've got The Next Generation plus Shatner overacting.

(though Uhura >>>>> anyone on TNG)

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

fucking stupid idea

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it pretty much defeats the whole purpose of TOS, just like those SW Special Editions. /bitter geek

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

in principle i'm not against redoing things or "refurbishing" them, but only if it was ever done consistently and evenly. i hate it when all they do is add a bunch of tacky cgi critters then leave all the horrible matte shots intact.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link

so yeah, this is gonna suck. and they better not pulla lucas and take the originals out of circulation.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

At least they're not gonna try to CGI all the Klingons to make them look like Worf (I hope).

Oh, and the originals aren't going anywhere, thankfully:

The original versions of the episodes will continue to be available on TV Land and G4, and the previously-released DVDs will continue to be available. The new versions will be seen only in broadcast syndication for at least the next year or so, and will air as they're completed. The new versions can't be shown on cable until all the episodes are done, as cable syndication deals are made in "strip" packages (meaning entire runs of episodes - complete seasons or entire series). The original film masters of all the episodes will be preserved.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, revisionist Worf-like Klingons would be the FIRST FUCKING THING Lucas would do to it.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

actually i wouldn't care if they did that (it doesn't affect anything either way), but if they replaced the actors, or added a spock shoots-first sort of revision that would suck. or if they gave the tribbles little beaks or tentacles

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Kirk: Matt Damon
Spock: Ben Affleck
Bones: Philip Seymour Hoffman
Uhura: Rosario Dawson
Chekov: Borat
Sulu: Sonny Chiba
Scotty: Ewan Macgregor (drunk)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

(Dir. and writer Kevin Smith.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Chekov: Borat


Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh you KNOW I'm right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

No, that's one revision I would wholeheartedly support.


Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

"Dude, fire the fucking photons, c'mon."


Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Special guest star Jason Bateman as Jason Bateman in wacky Arrested Development crossover episode about the intergalactic search for David Cross's sense of humor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"so...the Kilngon is like Jew?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

harry mudd: owen wilson
the tribble salesman guy: luke wilson
squire of gothos: ben stiller
khan: bill murray

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 September 2006 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Sci-Fi Channel has been showing what they claim to be digitally remastered eps for the last few weeks and they haven't been fucked with as far as I can tell. It just looks like the picture quality's been cleaned up.

Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Sunday, 10 September 2006 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've been watching TNG a lot lately on DVD, having acquired the third and fourth series on DVD. It's deadly stuff.

I am loving how sleazy Ryker is. He manages to make the most everyday lines drip with sordid innuendo.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

bet you'd never guess that I was a stone(d)trekkie in the 70s.

lovebug 2.0 (lovebug starski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link

"Make it Saab"

Here, was any of Enterprise any good? I watched the first one and was turned off by dreadful cheesy theme tune.

stet (stet), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link

The one episode I watched wasn't as good as Quantum Leap.

chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link

The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!

It's the best next thing to the original!

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I prefer original Trek, but I'm hardly a hardcore fan so my opinion probablydoesn't count for much (I've seen maybe 20 eps of TNG).


chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

> Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

Oh, hell no.

> The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!


Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

please explain?

Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, the Klingons came up with some disease by accident, and the only cure (created by Dr Phlox) was some sort of genetic enginneering that'd make look more human as a result. It was these kinda human Klingons that Kirk et al. came into contact with in their adventures.

Oh, Wiki explains it better than me!

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link


The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link

original series > wrath of khan >>>>>> the other movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TNG (and everything else even lower)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

no way are *all* the movies > tng, you r moron!!!

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

tng headfuck episodes (beverley all alone on enterprise, riker all alone in some crazy delusional state of mind) are best trek ever.

ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link

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