Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5952/eleventhdoctorpromojanu.jpg

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome choice of picture there.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Simon Nye?? o_O

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

portmeirion :o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

No Paul Cornell :(

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

word

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Conrad: The "Portmeirion" sign should be ignored. It's just a point of sale banner for Portmeirion pottery in the window of the shop at Cardiff Millennium Centre (for that's where that particular scene was filmed). The rest of said episode was filmed in Croatia.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

But on topic, fuck a Crayons Chibnall two parter :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

:o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hah, that's interesting, because I actually thought something adjacent to those points when I was watching the previous episode: a) the representation of the Imperial British Army as a force for plunder was about as subtle as the anti-capitalism a few weeks back (which, tick vg that is the appropriate amount of subtlety for displaying the IBA to kids) and b) one of the lead characters doesn't see the light and turn to the Doctor's side but quite the opposite, he embraces the soldier's way (as the Doctor is peevish about).

A plot hole I think about the regiment - is it just "Hooray lads, the commander's had a character arc, we're all Ice Warriors now?". The TARDIS could take them back, but that ruins the line about how no-one will ever know what happened here.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:16 (six days ago) Permalink

I don't think the show flinches from showing barbarity; just not necessarily in the historicals, and not necessarily in this season, which seems to be all about relative power in relationships (or, er, checking your interdimensional privilege - sorry).

Anyway, that last one was really excellent, Murray Gold and wobbly time vortex SFX notwithstanding. Basically it was the same as Gattiss's episode, except written by an adult. Two things I especially liked: a plot and resolution that made sense (or at least Doctor Who sense); and actual slow *distinguishable* dialogue instead of the usual Moffat babblestreams. Wish we could get ten more of those before Capaldi fucks off.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:51 (six days ago) Permalink

Also fucking hell the acting was a lot better than last week's.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:53 (six days ago) Permalink

I enjoyed this, but also didn't care even a little bit about anyone in it who wasn't in the TARDIS crew, which was a little odd for me.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:53 (six days ago) Permalink

There was a point where I actively caught myself rooting for the light-eater.

I enjoyed doing this, mind you, but I don't think that's the type of enjoyment the episode was going for.

Actually, I really liked the crows.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:55 (six days ago) Permalink

(I had a similar reaction to "Survival", actually; I mostly enjoyed watching it but I also really, really wanted all of Ace's friends to die)

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:56 (six days ago) Permalink

this whole year feels like a tepid greatest hits, which is not how i expected moffat to go out

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:46 (six days ago) Permalink

Yeah but he already went out two years ago with a deliberate build up and “The End” on screen, this year was never meant to be by him

When the Doctor came out of the cave after staring at the Season 11 title sequence for two days he should have fallen onto a handy mattress

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:51 (six days ago) Permalink

this year was never meant to be by him

i hope someone writes an explosive book about this era

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:53 (six days ago) Permalink

there's no secret - the BBC wanted Chibnall but he wasn't available for three years bcz Broadchurch, Moffatt was begged to come back and fill in once he'd had a break and could face it again.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 01:49 (five days ago) Permalink

makes sense

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 01:51 (five days ago) Permalink

The more difficult task would be to show historical people being absolutely horrible but also to show the underlying causes for this behaviour. That I guess would be for the writers to take an educational approach to history as opposed to using history to flavour a formulaic plot to get variations in it.

This is a good point, and just offering an off-the-cuff response, maybe it's because the show tends to portray modern-day people as more pathologically terrible, and make the historicals more redeemable because of a nostalgic idea of the past being a more innocent time?

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:15 (five days ago) Permalink

was a bit weird having two "army is difficult" + "desertion isn't cowardice" episodes in a row.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:04 (five days ago) Permalink

talk to the five episodes at the start of the season that were all about humanity's tools being used for evil

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:57 (five days ago) Permalink

if this had run where it was meant to (4th or 5th ep), both those problems would have been solved

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 00:54 (four days ago) Permalink

well there was a part where Bill asked "you were just trying to get them to stand in that gate the whole time, weren't you?" and he says "yes of course that's a half-dozen less murderous, raping slavers and mutilators running around" but it got cut

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:25 (four days ago) Permalink

something i'm never very clear on, sic - why do they change the order of the episodes like that? My very rudimentary sense of how things work is that there are a set of stories they decide to go with (perhaps having been written with the sense of a few themes that might be in the series) and Moffat will shove in some story arc stuff, sometimes more or less crudely (bit at end of story), sometimes woven into the original story a bit more.

If that's the case I can see why some stories might be ordered one way in terms of arc, and in another according to series pacing. But maybe I'm probably just ignoring something about the logistics of series production here.

xp

Fizzles, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 06:51 (four days ago) Permalink

Classic Master ploy there - disguising himself to people who wouldn't otherwise recognise him anyway...

nashwan, Saturday, 24 June 2017 21:07 (yesterday) Permalink

Properly spooky episode there. The idea that the patients were constantly crying for help but their volume was turned down creeped me the fuck out. Bill continues to be totally amazing.

ailsa, Saturday, 24 June 2017 21:20 (yesterday) Permalink

best episode of the year by a mile. i thought john simm was mark gatiss until halfway through. weird though how bill spent years apparently fine with having a machine where her heart used to be, and the doctor is relatively "eh" about the whole thing (enter sic to tell me why i'm wrong)

Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 24 June 2017 23:31 (yesterday) Permalink


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