Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Sea Devils even, jaysus.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5952/eleventhdoctorpromojanu.jpg

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome choice of picture there.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Simon Nye?? o_O

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

portmeirion :o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

No Paul Cornell :(

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

word

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah like I wasn't surprised by it being Mondasian cybermen because last week the preview thing had said 'Mondasian cybermen'.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 26 June 2017 17:08 (yesterday) Permalink

There's probably some sort of escape hatch in terms of uploading Bill's consciousness somewhere, or something about people believing in themselves so much that they can survive being made into a cyberman or something

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 26 June 2017 17:09 (yesterday) Permalink

She will be returned from cyberation by the new Doctor, James Corden.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 June 2017 17:52 (yesterday) Permalink

The Tardis karaoke guy?

StanM, Monday, 26 June 2017 18:10 (yesterday) Permalink

The show has laid plenty of groundwork for people rediscovering themselves after being converted into Telosian Cybermen (Ms. Hartman in Doomsday, Iantos's girlfriend in the Torchwood episode Cyberwoman, Danny and The Brigadier in Death of Heaven... hell, Toberman in Tomb of the Cybermen, if you want to go back to the original run), plus Bill doesn't seem to have forgotten who she is (which should make the process easier). The bigger question is whether the Doctor can heal the damage done to her as a result of the Cyberman conversion; it seems that she was already SOL after having a gigantic hole blown through her abdomen so I can't imagine that the subsequent chopping and implanting necessary to turn her into a Cyberman is reversible.

All of this pisses me off to no end, btw; looking at that list of characters and seeing how frequently the writers dehumanize and kill black characters important either to the show or main characters on the show isn't doing great things for my Who fandom.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 26 June 2017 18:24 (yesterday) Permalink

Especially the case with Bill, first black companion

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 26 June 2017 23:40 (yesterday) Permalink

Or no, wait a sec - she's not is she. But definitely first openly lesbian one.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 26 June 2017 23:41 (yesterday) Permalink

I was thinking as well that Moffatt really does seem to be on a quest to prove that nobody should ever, ever want to become a companion. Remember when Peri Brown was the exemplar of a companion who got treated like shit by the Doctor and left for dead?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 00:24 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

also maybe not something you want to be doing, intentionally or not, at the same time the whole production is trying to be so much more inclusive and diverse in casting and characterization

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 00:27 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

First black companion, 1980:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/30/Sharon_Davies%28Earth-5556%29.jpg

Not to detract from Dan’s good and alarming actual point about the characters dehumanised, but Ms Hartman and the Cyberwoman were both Cybusian, and Danny Pink and Lethbridge-Stewart were either Cybusian or a cross between Cybusian and Telosian. (The Cybus logo first disappeared in A Good Man Goes To War, and the off-screen explanation (initiated by Neil Gaiman) is that Cybusians that crossed to our universe, encountered Telosians, and shared tech from then on.)

NB to non-nerds: the term, and indeed codifed concept, of Telosian vs Mondasian Cybermen has existed for three days.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 00:30 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

I know there are only so many ways you can do a starship bridge but the bridge this week didn't half look like the bridge of the Heart of Gold from Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy (BBC TV version obviously). The whole episode did look like it had come from the 80s scenery store, which was great.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 00:57 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

this was fun to read imo

http://previously.tv/doctor-who/doctor-who-commences-another-long-goodbye/

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 01:07 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

Here is where I admit I still haven't seen the Cyberman 2-parter from Tennant's first season because so many of those episodes were terrible and I couldn't bring myself to watch them, so I didn't even know Cybus was a "thing"

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 01:11 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

Ha ha it is so bad – they go to an alternate universe where Rose’s dad is still alive, and everybody everywhere uses the exact same brand of bluetooth phone earpiece all the time, until one day it suddenly extends and goes up and then turns at a right angle over the head, then turns down and enters the other ear too, then everyone’s brains are taken over by their bluetooths (it’s just like the real world! Where 97% of all people walk around with one-piece phones in their ears all day) and they start marching towards giant factories built by an industrialist who has been developing bionics

A MEGALOMANIAC INVENTOR in a WHEELCHAIR who has built REPLACEMENT METAL BODIES for weak humanoids, but who won’t convert himself. Where does Rusty get these astounding fresh ideas?!?!?!??

Anyway yeah the company is Cybus Industries and I can’t remember if he was pitching them as super-bionic upgrades for the sick, or as robot workers that you could buy, but instead of being gradual, bionic replacement like the OG Cybermen, he just cuts ppl’s brains out and puts them in a pre-built robot. And they’re called Cybusmen.

And for the next few years all the Cybermen in the show came from this other universe and had a C on their chest because they were made by Cybus and it was their logo.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 02:46 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

details may be inexact, I watched this once, 11 years ago

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 02:47 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

oof

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 03:37 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

what if missy was telling the truth about the doctor's name, but only because she comes from the alternate universe shown in the peter cushing movies

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 03:40 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

Isn't that Dr human? & not going to be her old schoolfriend?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 06:19 (nine hours ago) Permalink

They've been hitting the "yes time lords can change genders this is very canon now" thing so hard now that I really hope the next Doctor is a woman.

Maybe it'll be Missy!

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 07:49 (seven hours ago) Permalink

for Fizzles:

thanks sic, i found that really interesting! i'm ok with interiors/locations/actor availability dictating shooting schedules etc, but your experience of how some of this has affected series logic is enlightening. it also helps explain some stuff that i hadn't really noticed but had mildly discomfited me, the babel thing, and a general sort of out-of-order bill development being most noticeable. hadn't really noticed any of the nardole patching so, again, v useful.

looking forward to this last episode as i've been travelling. amused by JM's (correct) description of the final monks episode being a big fat fart of rubbish (tho wd defend the love saves all!/mum resolution more generally).

Fizzles, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 09:20 (six hours ago) Permalink

Maybe it'll be Missy!

Or Bill! That would be some payback.

nashwan, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 10:36 (five hours ago) Permalink

Aw I liked the Tennant Cyberman two-parter, one of the most fun examples of New Who as big dumb action movie, in my memeory anyway. I think I was way more forgiving of any story's flaws in the first few years of the return as it was all so exciting.

chap, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 10:43 (five hours ago) Permalink

Good storified tweenotes from Andrew Ellard: https://storify.com/ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-world-enough-and-time

nashwan, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 11:09 (four hours ago) Permalink


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