Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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"Girlfriend" doesn't Cougar-rock at all, Frank; it Abba-rocks! And I just prefer "Jack and Diane" to "Does Your Mother Know," I guess. Though I love them both. And in the long run, I may regret not voting for Hope's album (which three P&J voters did, though I can't say who.)

And yeah, she's 17 (and I think the songwriting is often really good).

Mikael Wood's appraisal of her, Brie Larsen, etc, can be found here:,wood,71326,22.html

And the fact that she picked peas on her family farm in Tennesse is pretty country, I guess! Perhaps country fans will eventually agree.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 28th, 2005.


Hope Paltrow is far too pretty to remain in the peapatch, for sure.
-- edd s hurt (eddshur...), December 28th, 2005. (ddduncan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And I've used "tremulous beauty ache" too.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

By the way, sorry to keep bringing this back to Cheap Trick (though
"Surrender" IS one of the best songs ever about being a teenager, so there), but Rick Neilson appears on the new Revolting Cocks CD, which is unlistenable, and his photo on the inner gatefold makes him look much younger than Gibby Hayes and Al Jourgensen and Jello Biafra, all of whom appear there also, and appear to be about 80 years old apiece.

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 22:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't think Lindsay;s version (I want you to want me) was anywhere near as good/popjoyful as the Letters to Cleo version from a few years back!

Abby (abby mcdonald), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the only part of lindsay's version I can see as superior is the percussion. I like the clatter. I definitely prefer the Zander vocal.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, frank, what do you think of Evanescence?

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

zander's vocal is probably less 'believable' but I can enjoy his vocal on a simple musical level in a way I don't dig Lohan's. But I think I'm looking for something different than Kogeddy are.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've somehow avoided exposure to the Amy Diamond phenomenon completely (before this thread), which is a bit strange since that single was top 10 in Norway for 18 weeks!

Unfortunately, on first listen, it triggers loads of "naff" detectors in me – I think it's because being from "the rest of Europe" (ie not UK and probably Ireland), I've heard loads of terrible Euro stuff employing that not-actually-proper-reggae device, and associate it with Lame Continental Backwaterism. (Examples that have crossed over into UK/US(?) are "Live Is Life" by Opus and "Susanna" by "The Art Company".)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rick Neilson appears on the new Revolting Cocks CD, which is unlistenable, and his photo on the inner gatefold makes him look much younger than Gibby Hayes and Al Jourgensen and Jello Biafraa

He more than made up for it on that DVD I reviewed early last year, where he looked like someone's scary old grandmother. It's those sweaters. I never liked "I Want You to Want Me" on "In Color" and even less on the Japanese album. There Zander says this song is called "I --- Want -- You --- To ---- Want ---- Meee" like he's talking to retards and lots of small children. I could never get it out of my head. Irritating.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 6 January 2006 23:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, both versions kinda reeked. They were a weird group, because they could be so great (and, uh, so weird), but sometimes I really felt they were knowingly pandering and condescending to some imaginary lowest common denominator audience--and I almost never say that about *anybody*, so they must have hit a nerve, somehow. I dunno, maybe the spoon-feedy stuff was aimed at their English as a second language fans. The way I felt about those '50s covers is probably close to how some folks feel about smashmouth now.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

when did this "oooh grr smashmouth" thing happen

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ha ha you don't have teenage kids, 'twan

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

actually, though, smashmouth are some kind of unique case, since at some time they (or at least it seemed they) started doing *only* cover songs for little-kiddie movies, and every kiddie movie wound up having an obligatory smashmouth cover. i sort of respect their utter don't-give-a-shit lack of integrity myself; the singer's a big fat ugly guy, and it's nice to some big fat ugly guys can still make money in this biz, and it's kind of cool how they found their niche. and it seems like they'll basically cover *anything*, not just ? and the mysterians and war and the monkees -- i mean, you can't sink much lower than "ain't gettin nothin for christmas," I don't think. and for all i know, some of their covers are totally great. supposedly they did an all-christmas-covers album available only on the net, including the kinks' "father christmas" and something by the sonics and i forget what else. i'd be curious to hear if it's any good. not curious enough to seek it out myself, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, i totally get why young people might hate them once they started dancing with shrek, but that doesn't seem like the kind of thing you guys would hold against them. i pretty much like all their big hits and I've heard some respectable album tracks too (though i'm tempted to say that the debut is OVERrated, since the only people who talk about it pretend they never did anything good after).

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

last year was depressing in the sense that a bunch of fine 90s singles bands put out comps but they were all 19 track with b-sides monstrosities rather than the 11 song "platinum edition" things that would actually make them look good.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Sonics' Christmas song was "Santa Claus" - "I want a brand new car, a twangy guitar, a cute little honey, and lots of money." I wouldn't mind hearing Smashmouth do this (or "Father Christmas," for that matter).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to Duff's "Beat of My Heart" right now, and it seems to be a lot more succesful take on what Kelly Osbourne was attempting on her last album: it's more electro, it's slinkier, it's more pop, it's more accessible, and it rocks harder.

So Hillary Duff is better at being Kelly Osbourne than Kelly Osbourne is.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what the fuck are you on, "beat of my heart" sucks ass. how do humans sit through that awayawayawayawaaaaay shit

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"wake up" at least pulls some sort of chirpy new wave petual clark thing, but "beat of my heart" is just some shrillass nonsense, easily the worst of the three dead prez tracks on that thing.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

petula clark, rather.

i guess you could kelly's album does the new wave thing more sloppily than those new hilary tracks do, but i'm surprised courtney love fans would take offense at that.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

easily the worst of the three dead prez tracks on that thing



cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hee hee yeah benji and joel call their duo dead presidents

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh wait dead executives SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh and from waaay up thread frank I will take you to the fucking mat over "1985." That song is probably the best pop-punk song post-Young & The Hopeless.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah it is okay
unless you listen to the
lyrics which are ASSS

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

plus, it's "kokomo"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

One of the central tenents of C.Love fandom is the realisation that you really only need one Courtney. Plus the only track with replay value on Kelly's album is the one that would have fit on the debut album, "Don't Touch Me When I'm Sleeping". Based on a genuine date rape experience, fact fans.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah it is okay
unless you listen to the
lyrics which are ASSS

only if you can't take the ribbing, ya old fart.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and don't give me the 'oh but blondie didn't coexist with u2' horseshit, cuz old farts getting their facts wrong when waxing nostalgiac about the commerce of their youth is common enough to deserve the ridicule they give it. it's basically like "i'm the type of guy" where people hated ll cuz they identified with the dude he was cuckolding.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

though the 'kokomo' thing helps explain why i love the melody.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha ant if there is a song in a few years that messes up your teenaged icons and you get cranky about it...remember this moment.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and if bowling for soup's factual errors WEREN'T intentional that's even better, cuz who gives a shit. answer: old farts.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

actually i would love it if somebody mixed up lou barlow with rivers cuomo, my adolescence isn't something i look back on with pride.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Plus the only track with replay value on Kelly's album is the one that would have fit on the debut album, "Don't Touch Me When I'm Sleeping".

I'd also throw in "Suurbia," "I Can't Wait," "Red Light," and "One Word" in the replay corner, with the rest still being more listenable than "Beat Of My Heart."

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and "Don't Touch Me" wouldn't fit in with Shut Up! (which kicks the ass of pretty much everything else being discussed here), its way more "Danger Zone" glossy guitarwise.

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also, as far as songs being irreverent about my adolescent treasures, my favorite offhand is Bloodhound Gang's "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo," which uses all the usual quiet-loud/ feedback squalls/Blue Album uplift and malkmus cryptography to do nothing but describe penis-in-vagina for 3.5. I love it.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ant, I'm glad yr back
no one is a bigger pain
in a real fun way

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haha, it is "Kokomo!" Good call.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm having trouble comparing Kelly Osbourne's dead monotone on "One Word" to Hilary Duff's irritating chirp on "Beat of My Heart." Wait, I'm having no trouble comparing them. The first is a dead monotone, the second's an irritating chirp! There!

Also, "One Word" is cartoon-doom synth goth that swells into massive disco voluptuousness in its chorus, whereas "Beat of My Heart," synth or no synth, is basically Go-Gos cheep-cheep wave. So I don't see how one outdoes the other, as they're doing different things. Also, I love "One Word," whereas "Beat of My Heart" has so far only reached the category "I Have To Admit That This Is Somewhat Catchy, Even If It Makes Me Grit My Teeth." But once I admit that something is catchy, I'm well on my way to describing it as "catchy."

(The rest of Kelly O's alb is more rock than dance, and her dead monotone is correspondingly deadening. Some of it I can tolerate for minutes at a time. The rest of Hilary D's album is... well some it's this, some it's that, and some of it is yet some other thing.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anthony, my interest in Evanescence was evanescent, though I still own one of their albums, and I may give it another spin of these days.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm so glad glad to hear appreciation for Lohan.

If she doesn't self-implode, she'll be a great, great actress. Her sense of timing is impecable--she nearly blew Jamie Lee Curtis off the screen in Freaky Friday--no easy feat. And how many Disney queen-ettes jump from Herbie to Robert Altman or a David Chapman bio-pic?

Her voice has a fascinating timbre; she's singing from her throat which lends it that elastic-about-to-snap quality that makes it blend wonderfully with overdubbed Lohans.

And yeah--I always felt like Cheap Trick did their song like they were embaressed at having come up with such a confection. Lohan totally nails it.

Ian in Brooklyn, Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know if you'll find this relevant, but Popular has now made it to where, as a twelve-year-old, I started once again listening to pop music. So as Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread rolls along here on ILX, my own adolescence will be developing over at Freaky Trigger. (Currently topping the chart: Reg Presley's perky chirp.)


I barely remember the Cheap Trick original, to tell you the truth. I suppose it's possible to like the two versions easily, but apparently this is not likely.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In fact, it's probably easy to like the two versions easily, but I meant to say "equally."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Evanescence is a little one-note for me overall, but "Bring Me To Life" blew down the doors so hard that its not easy for me to get excited about "Fly," which sounds like the lite version, and Hilary doesn't make that particularly worthwhile for me. I miss that kaBOOM. Both that and "My Immortal" pull emotion out of me in a way that Duff and Lohan never really achieve on their ballads.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also is "Bring Me To Life" the hardest rocking song to make the adult contemporary top 10? It even has faux-rapping in it!

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm slightly tripping out here at the news of a Lohan cover of "I Want You to Want Me" -- at the same time, it's NOWHERE near my fave Cheap Trick song so by all means improve it if possible, Ms. L. (Who I have no particular feelings about otherwise.)

Smashmouth always sucked. I am filled with hate.

I admit I am dulled by the thematics/presentation of most mainstream pop as such these days, beyond what musical weirdness can be used to spike the punch. At the same time nothing could be duller than the NPR/KCRW/Pitchfork 'quality' cloud of horrors -- I will always hate the Arcade Fire more than 50 Cent (or for that matter Dylan, though not Springsteen). I don't need a recreation of a twenty-year-old 'entryism' in the charts because that would be mere nostalgic frippery designed to assuage my soul instead of intrigue it but I'll be damned if I can sense a flashpoint that works for me at present.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(btw, Lohan doesn't fade the song like CT do on the record; rather, she uses the same wind-up ending they use live. So she has, like, cred.)

I had to review both a Duff film (sheer horror, and Christian too) and Herbie. They sent writers to a test screenings. Median age: 10.

My GF's niece is 14. She likes new goth stuff. And that's all I know of (literal) kids today and their listening habits.

Ian in Brooklyn, Saturday, 7 January 2006 07:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I wd love to hear that Jessica Simpson remix Frank is talking about - "I Think I'm In Love With You" was a massive song for me when it came out, I;d never heard Jack And Diane which probably helped.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

my nearly ten yr old son like a lot of this stuff. my bonafide teenage nieces and nephews wouldn't be caught dead listening to "teenpop" they like GrnDay/Sum41/Charlotte punk and/or Velvet Revolver-style vintage hardrock. It should really be called preteen pop or in Freudian terms a sountrack for the latency years. (Perhaps I should write something about this?) Anyway, just for the record.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

For the record, I like both the Bowling For Soup song Anthony likes and the Bloodhound Gang song Anthony likes okay -- probably both more than anything by Blink 182, who I'm guessing he might like more, though I might be wrong. Bloodhound Gang are kind of interesting in that they have no qualms about using synths as catchy and bubblegum as the ones Depeche Mode used in "Just Can't Get Enough"; i.e., catchier ones than Depeche Mode ever used since. "Bad Touch"'s electropop hooks could almost pass for Italo-disco.

I like the *idea* of Evanescence, enjoyed seeing them at Webster Hall in '04 or so, but I will probably never get over them sounding to me like a thinner, clunkier, less beautiful, and therefore compromised version of my fave Dutch new age goth-metallers The Gathering. (For thin, clunky, less beautiful, and therefore compromised versions of The Gathering, I prefer Lacuna Coil. Or Lana Lane. Or Lullacry. The last couple of whom kind of suck, so I am obviously a sucker for the sound somewhat. Wish I liked the Top 40 version more.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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