defend the indefensible: new jersey

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as well she should!

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

There's not much point in going to Ikea without a car anyway, and I think the only way to get their from NYC otherwise is by bus (it's by Elizabeth).

But if you want to come to the next Jersey City FAP (if there ever is one), the PATH is really easy to get to. If you live along the L, you just take it to 14th and 6th Ave, and the PATH is right there in the station. Takes like 10 minutes to get here from there.

JC is ok - it looks kind of like parts of Brooklyn. The area I live in (which is the "desirable" area now) is a mix of Cuban restaurants, Pakistani groceries, and gentry-fried cafes and clothing boutiques.

There's no music venue or bookstore or record shop to speak of, which sucks. Hoboken (also on the PATH) is right next door and has Tunes for records (which is somewhat meh) and Maxwell's, and there's a couple of book shops. It's already pretty much maxed out as far as redevelopment goes. I kind of hope Jersey City will be able to maintain more of a balance, if that's possible.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Well she had me convinced anyway! (xxpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

There's also the whole waterfront area, which is what you can see from NY. It's kind of like nu-Alexandria across from DC - tons of new high rise buildings, totally clean like a non-lived-in city, lots of chain and brewpub-style restaurants.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

my mom was born in new jersey!

:(

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i've found some great stuff at tunes -- a little overpriced but nothing that broke me too much.

there's a shuttle that goes to ikea from the port authority, no?

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

where is the love for weehawken?

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I work off of the L at 6th ave.

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Yeah, that sounds right. I've never had reason to take it (living on the other side with a car and all), but I think my aunt has.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Weehawken? That's like a foreign country to me!

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Morristown.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Morristown and also Moorestown.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm telling you the Creamery is fantastic. Great food. They serve Illy espresso too.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

this is your view if you live in weehawken:

http://static.flickr.com/24/52316727_2656c5c864.jpg?v=0

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tunes! Their selection of new CDs is pretty good, I've found lots of good used vinyl there, and I've found some really great steals in their used CD bin: The Cars, Keren Ann, The Bad Plus, Missy Elliott, etc. for $1-2.

xposts

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Tunes lets you listen to whatever you want, which is awesome.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

There used to be one in New Brunswick where I liked the selection a little better. But that closed down.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone remember crazy rhythms in montclair?

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Also the used vinyl in Tunes tends to be more reasonably priced than at Academy and other NYC places. So if something good comes in, you're more likely to be able to buy it at a reasonable price.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd definitely be up for a PREX FAP -- though not this weekend (gotsta work)!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

There used to be one in New Brunswick where I liked the selection a little better. But that closed down.

if it's the one that i'm thinking of, it used to be owned by one of the dudes in the smithereens.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

weehawken can still be surprisingly affordable (real estate-wise). and it offers breathtakingly nice views of the NYC skyline. but it's also a bit inconvenient as far as public transportation goes.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i could personally do a princeton tour -- the university campus is lovely. the battlefield is also really nice and peaceful (but we'd need cars to get there -- it's a mile or so from nassau street).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I remember Crazy Rhythms in Montclair.

http://igetrvng.com/shop_mx4.html

I remember R. Stevie Moore and his hat. I remember the Montclair Book Center, still the best book store I've ever been to, shame they got rid of the comic book dept though.

My sister lives in Jersey City and sells CDs to Tunes.

My first job was in Morristown, at Trukmann's Reprographics or something.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

count me in on the prex fap... the weekend of nov 5-6 would be perfect.

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Used LPs I've bought recently at Tunes:

The Byrds - Notorious Byrd Brothers
Beach Boys - Surf's Up
Orchestral Maneovres in the Dark - s/t (US Version)
Muzsikas - Blues for Transylvania
Pet Shop Boys - Actually
Kraftwerk - Radio-Activity

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I remember Crazy Rhythms in Montclair.

i meant besides you, dan. ;-)

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

another true, fun princeton fact -- the restaurant that was owned by the menendez bros. for a while is across the street from the record exchange!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Princeton is soooo far :(

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

the pancake place in princeton (p.j.'s?) is teh yumxor.

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

that weekend's the record fair!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

whoops, i forgot! weekend after that?

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Princeton is pretty great, and worth the trip, even on the train. Like Eisbar said -- the school and the battlefield are beautiful, and Nassau St. is pretty fun. In addition to PREX I also really like Micawber Books.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

P.J.'s rocks. added bonus: carvings from P.U. alumni and assorted patrons going back to the 70s on the tables/wooden counter.

micawber's also rocks -- esp. since they did the extension. back in the day, the used section was the ENTIRE store.

princeton isn't hard to get to at ALL -- just take NJ transit from penn station to princeton junction, then take the "dinky train" from there into town. two hours at most (if that) from penn station.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, not a bad ride at all, especially if you get an express train.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

the ride to princeton junction is really nice. i just did that in may.

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

There's this pretty kickass record store in like Pompton Plains. The guy who runs it just does it as a hobby, so it's only open when he doesn't have to be at his day job. Also, it's kind of hard to find (even though it seemed to be on kind of a main street). Good place, though.

willpie (willpie), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the place your talking about is called "Music Music Music"--it's on Rt 23. The owner is a super nice guy. He has a ton of vinyl but a lot of it is in bad shape and it's kinda hard to browse since it's all on tall shelves. Worth a look if you're in the area, though.

Keith C (lync0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd be happy to take a carload of people down from here to Princeton as well - though if you're coming from NYC it's probably easier to take the train.

Yeah, I heart Macawber's as well. I don't understand the love for PJ's, but I only went there once. Maybe I just got a bad batch or something.

I also think Small World Coffee is some of the best coffee I've had.

It'd also be fun to picnic at Grounds for Sculpture if it weren't getting colder now (and also I don't know if they're still open this late in the year).

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW, does anyone ever go to Conduit in Trenton? I played there once like a long while ago when they first reopened it, but there was no one there, in spite of the fact that the headliner was Clem Snide. Seemed like it was hard to get people to come to that area or something.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

What about Sound Exchange on Rt. 23? I used to go there and stare at Pop Will Eat Itself weird shaped vinyl and Can CDs, all way expensive. And Twonky Video/Neet Stuff in Somerville, that's a weird place. Amazing video collection, some wacky stuff but you pick up a broken toy off the ground and they're like "that's 30 dollars".

and Cafe Soundz! How many times to I have to mention it? That's how I met Morgan Geist and James Plotkin. And it's still there.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

When I first came to New Brunswick we had Cheap Thrills - pretty good store, in fact. But New Brunswick is the kiss of death for record stores. Even the Sam Goody closed.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

morristown used to have a hardcore ghetto. so it's not ALL soccer MILFs!

The Hollow, right near Headquaters mall.

I'm flying home to NJ for 2 days tomorrow; I can't wait to stop & get some real bagels for breakfast, and then drive to the next strip mall for some Dunkin Donuts coffee. And take my 2.5 year old neice to a diner for lunch! She already understands that you only ever order breakfast food and the toast has to arrive soaked in butter and it's important to sit around & talk for a few hours. She's a big chatterbox, so she's down with it. I think we're probably going to the Chester diner.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

disco fries!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

aww yeah.

(disco fries was my name on friendster!)

astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

What about Sound Exchange on Rt. 23?

I never really liked this place, although it was the go-to "indie" store in the area. Did you ever go to The Flip Side in Pompton Lakes, Dan? That was my source for thrash and hardcore cassettes in the late 80's.

Best NJ record store not yet mentioned on this thread is Vintage Vinyl on Rt. 1 near Edison. Used to have a ton of cheap vinyl in the back, these days the stock is not as impressive but it's still a good store.

Did anyone ever go to the converted diner in New Brunswick (on French St) that was a record store? It was only vinyl--the place was a mess and the owner was pretty eccentric. Good finds in there, though. I have no idea if it's there anymore, I doubt it.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I grew up in Morristown and I'm glad I did. High School was a real meltingpot. After I left and got to know kids who grew up in New England and the midwest they seemed really under-exposed to me.

steve ketchup, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Whoa, I went to that diner/record store once. It was a very very surreal experience - in fact I'd almost forgotten about it. I think the place was only open like two hours a day and/or by appointment. He had some strange militia-type paraphernalia on his door, and he was a very odd guy. Nothing was in any kind of order, just piles and shelves of records. I almost bought a record called "Black Dick for President" from him, just because it was called "Black Dick for President"

I never liked Vintage Vinyl all that much, mostly just because I got a weird vibe from the people there like I wasn't buying the "right" kind of music. There was also Curmudgeon off Route 27, which is now gone as well.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ahh, Curmudgeon... I got some great Throbbing Gristle LPs there for like 2 bucks each.

Last christmas when I was back in Jersey visiting family, I got to introduce my wife and my parents to disco fries -- an overwhelming success!

ianinportland (ianinportland), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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