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It's much more like the appliance vision they had for the Mac

yeah the appstore/iphone os is a GAME CHANGER

i mean, re: the tablet, or subnotebooks or whatever, i would imagine that a very large number of people would actually welcome a wholesale shift to iPhone OS, multitasking or no multitasking.

So tablet is actually abt replacing the Mac

i think they need to get some multitasking going. Not neccessarily every app but some way to make it more useful.

But I'm kinda an OSX hater right now. It just doesn't work the way it's supposed to work. Thank god for appzapper.

they do; instapaper, for example, wd be 1,000,000,000x better if it could update its feeds in the background. but that eats into memory, and as a tightly-controlled appliance how does the os regulate that?

but yes I see os x becoming the 'pro' or 'developer' os.

finally with iphone os we have dispensed with the concept of files and folders - and the need to find the fucking things. we've almost gotten rid of the whole concept of 'saving' which should have been obolete years ago imo

in theory ya but u don't actually do much of anything on the iphone that overlaps with most direct use of files and folders - when was the last time you created or edited a document or large project on your iphone?

we've almost gotten rid of the whole concept of 'saving' which should have been obolete years ago imo

wait. what?

he's right.

having to save your document is a huge weakness in any program. there's no reason that you should ever lose data because you "forgot to save." computers have enough memory right now to both autosave constantly and keep a history of your document so you can go back and undo changes—the only real weakness of saving.

ya but u don't actually do much of anything on the iphone that overlaps with most direct use of files and folders

i think a lot of people don't do anything on their Macs that overlaps either. iTunes + iPhoto have got ppl used to the model of the app taking care of the filesystem for you, and Google Docs shows how that can work for WP apps etc. Drag-and-drop covers 99% of interaction cases as well.

even pro programs are moving that direction - adobe lightroom, bridge

seriously. saving will not be a thing within a decade, except unix legacy/coding stuff, and a good thing too.

lightroom is so so great. easily the best big app i use. expensive to start from scratch like that, but worth it x10000000.

i'd like lightroom better if it made some small usability tweaks tbh.

like, i know it's more of an iphoto thing, but just give me an email button. would it be that hard? pro users need to email their photos too sometimes.

yeah there should be email fb etc buttons in there

i guess it depends on how often "sometimes" is for your target market when deciding if it's worth a button.

the export dialog has a "for email" preset which i use occasionally. if you use it often it's the "export with previous" thing. no reason why that couldn't run an applescript to set up the email, but it doesn't for some reason.

should be a "poke person tagged in this photo"

interface to the ilx api has been vaporware since 1.0 iirc. hopefully that will be the big thing to drive upgrades to 3.0.

the export dialog has a "for email" preset which i use occasionally. if you use it often it's the "export with previous" thing. no reason why that couldn't run an applescript to set up the email, but it doesn't for some reason.

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ya i use that sometimes but it adds lots of steps & creates un-needed duplicate files on my HD

i would seriously never use iphoto if lightroom just had a couple adjustments to make me be able to be more social-ish with my pics

guys i just got the whole CS suite for free ^___^

also: how do i crack into my demo aperture catalog and get the photos out of it. all my africa pics are in there :(

wow the whole creative suite suite sweet!

Do you just want the photos, or do you want all the info in the library (crops, corrections, etc.)? If you just need the originals presumably they're just in the catalog as regular files?

i didnt end up taking the whole thing (i really don't need most of it), but i COULD have

well, ideally i'd get all the info (crops corrections etc), but starting from scratch on the photos themselves wouldn't be terrible (gotta learn my way around LR and PS anyway)

googling a little, i'm not even sure it's possible to retain the metadata. you may have to export the masters (with/without edits applied?) in aperture and suck it up. same would be true going the other way. i don't know the details of it though. i've been on LR since the beta.

problem is: i can't get INTO aperture. the demo expired and it is locked ;_;

what version is it?

wait, it just let me relocate the masters, weird

ok drop me a webmail if you need a serial just to get these images out.

cool man thx

just ctrl-click on aperture library, "show package contents" then copy files across as usual.

thanks!

tell me how a tablet would stand up

I can definitely understand how files, folders and finding the fucking things is such a problmem ON A MAC yeah. FTFF lol.

spelling also a problmem, been up since early... cafetiere on the bedside table.

and yeah I know, no-one sane would actually USE the finder rather than whatever the indexed gooogly hard disc search is called in mac.

was going to be cranky but it probably belongs in another thread. suffice to say all this stuff about autosaving (good) document history (also good) bundling of documents/media and apps into one big trouble-causing lump (HATE mostly).

i used to totally agree but fuck, they've had 25 years to come up with a better view into the filesystem and nothing's changed.

there are wayyyy more people out there - people under 30 - who literally have no idea how to click and drag a file from one folder to another, or create folders, or rename them than you would think, and they are never going to learn, and frankly i don't blame them. what is the point if i can do what i need from within an app? and never have to worry about "where" something is? it's on my freaking computer, that's where it is. why should i go hunting for it? isn't that the kind of tedious drudgework computers were made to obviate?

there are wayyyy more people out there - people under 30 - who literally have no idea how to click and drag a file from one folder to another, or create folders, or rename them than you would think

Hmmmmmmmmm.

FWIW: I use Spotlight to find pretty much *everything* on my Mac. In fact, Spotlight and Spaces have been two of the biggest productivity tools ever.

But ... I also use Dropbox (even *more* useful) to keep everything in order across different machines and that's required a pretty old-school rigorous directory structure. Put it this way: no matter how useful Spotlight and Dropbox have proved, they'd be substantially less useful (the latter in particular) if there wasn't a reasonably solid foundation underneath them.

People have ALWAYS just dumped files wherever they land and never worried about where they are, Tracer: I work with loads of people whose desktops have always been pile-ups of total shit. An OS that dispensed with good, useful concepts such as files/folders or directories/structures wouldn't make much difference to these people: they'd still manage to operate their computers in the same slightly confused and haphazard way. But I think for the majority of users it'd feel like a major step backwards.

Remember when OS X came out and the Mac community went mental because they couldn't move their apps about any more? An awful lot of people like being able to keep files and folders in certain places: it gives them a sense of control. (And I'd hazard a guess that these people -- the ones putting a tiny, tiny modicum of thought and logic into their storage -- are more productive than the ones who leave shit strewn everywhere.)

Yeah, organising my stuff, myself, still find the quickest easiest way to get shit done for me. Surprisingly or not.

Programs trying to organise/catalog/label things for me, with THEIR logic basically....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7vMvlRio5Y

also goes for people arguing the superiority of 20 different approaches and constant learning/adaptation, over learning one simple way properly, once, and just putting a bit of thought in I suppose.

An awful lot of people like being able to keep files and folders in certain places: it gives them a sense of control. (And I'd hazard a guess that these people -- the ones putting a tiny, tiny modicum of thought and logic into their storage -- are more productive than the ones who leave shit strewn everywhere.)

In a desktop OS you're of course going to be more organized and productive if you keep your directories well organized because the entire user experience is based around files and directories. Most people have no idea how inefficient they're being in this regard. They will probably never know.

Personally I think Spotlight should be called "Finder" and Finder should be called "Welcome to unpaid admin work"

even worse than people who can't comprehend a directory structure are the people who run apps from temporary mounted install disks left on the desktop

I find it amazing that people even understand they need to double-click on the disk image. To "mount" this "disk". Which is not a disk. WTF.

^lol

so is the chat on this tablet that it will have an OSX between the full thing and iPhone OSX and won't have a finder but instead just spotlight?

I think the assumption is that it will run iPhone OS or some modification of it

(And I'd hazard a guess that these people -- the ones putting a tiny, tiny modicum of thought and logic into their storage -- are more productive than the ones who leave shit strewn everywhere.)

always kind of suspicious of any academic with a seriously tidy office or computer desktop.

they are probably spies

i usually just tase them a little

caek you will be duly observed for suspicious orderliness when you visit here in a few weeks. Then again it's UCI, you'll probably fit right in.