Graham Parker C/D

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Oops, I goofed -- actually the Top 40 single "Wake Up" was from Steady Nerves in 1985. (Which still only peaked at #57, chartwise.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link

rick springfield is apparently a big fan of the up escalator:

Rick Springfield:C or D?

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Chuck I think part of the thing with Howlin Wind is there's a cumulative build effect, maybe best heard the first time through. cos I've gone back to this and had the same reaction of trying to break it into component parts and thinking how does this add up to that much?

so maybe a case of sum greater than the parts? also, not only does Graham's facility & confidence (the latter like Van Morrison only at his peak) seem to grow as the album goes, but the band's power shines through over the course until BLAM, everyone's giving the middle finger to GOD! (also kinda like: some of these songs are 'A's, but none is less than a 'B', and the balance improves across the album)

Heat Treatment seems like Part 2 of the same album, but riding that full-blown confidence and musical strength (all at or close to peak). that's probably my fave Parker album, even though I think of it more in terms of fave songs (most of 'em!), unlike Howlin and <Squeezing[/i], which I like for their overall feel as albums.

Paul, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay, I guess I understand that logic, just don't buy it -- I've never been one to cut albums slack for "pacing," and giving Howling Wind bonus points just because its one song that would've been good enough for Squeezing Out Sparks is saved for the very end seems kinda fishy to me....Okay, maybe "Back To Schooldays" would be good enough too, but as far as I can tell, that's it. (Don't get the building-and-building-to-transcendence claim; the second and third best songs are on the first side, not the second side.) Then again, I always thought of Sparks as a super consistent batch of individual songs that've stuck to my gills over the years; had no idea that people heard it as an overall-feel album. Still, thanks for explaining, Paul!

Btw, just noticed from his '70s book that Christgau originally gave HW a B+ and HT an A-, then upped both grades to A's later. (And then he gave Sparks an A+, but bumped that to an A, too!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Huh...just checked The New Trouser Press Record Guide; hadn't realized that Dave Edmunds plays guitar on "Back To Schooldays" (which partly explains why I like it so much) and also recorded the song himself on Get It in 1977. (And just remembered that Parker also wrote "Crawling From Wreckage," a small AOR hit and one of the hardest rocking tracks on Edmunds's excellent '79 Repeat When Necessary.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

are those eighties Parker albums even remotely interesting?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

parker wrote crawling from the wreckage? well now i have one more good thing to say about him. i'll be honest, i'm not a big fan. even of the 70's stuff. the best of the 70's stuff is okay, but the costello + springsteen formula just never did much for me. squeezing out sparks wouldn't even make a best of 1979 list of mine, let alone a 70's list. i always feel like i would like his songs better if other people did them. local girls, which i like, would have been even better if elvis or nick lowe or rockpile or dave edmunds had done it. or maybe nrbq! i do like the individual members of the rumour, but i like them in brinsley schwarz and ducks deluxe.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

(and i don't think there is a graham parker song that i like as much as hit me with your rhythm stick, reasons to be cheerful, or sex, drugs, & rock & roll. except for maybe crawling from the wreckage! which IS one of my favorite songs of the 70's.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Btw (side issue) the Rumour (sans Parker) album I bought a used CD of a couple years ago, Max from 1977, was really disappointing, in case anybody's considering looking around for it. (I do remember liking "Emotional Traffic," from 1979's Frogs Sprouts Clogs and Krauts, when I used to hear it on my college radio station in the '80s, though.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i like the frogs sprouts album! that's a good one.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Excellent goofball German version of "Crawling Through The Wreckage" on Benny's best-of CD (which placed #1 on my Pazz & Jop ballot this year):

http://www.amazon.com/Amigo-Charly-Brown-Hits-gestern/dp/B001PDIRO2

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Been a while since I've heard them, but I really like the playing on those first two GP albums. Really confident, swinging, airy pub rock stuff. It sounds like a road-tested band at their peak. The playing on Squeezing Out Sparks is a little more claustrophobic, jittery. Which is OK, just different. So basically those first two work as great groove albums, even if the good-to-great song ratio might be better on Sparks.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i think HW has more of a singer/songwriter vibe going as it does a pubrock feel. also, "you've got to be kidding" may be my fave song on it and it didn't get a nod above so i guess we just don't see eye to eye on this guy.

relistened to the up escalator this week for the first time since ~1981, and it really does fall flat. his next one (grey area) was even more sub-par; but the real macaw, crappy album cover and all, has a bunch of good songs.

pobrecito (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, The Real Macaw seems to be Xgau's favorite of the '80s, too. (Originally gave it an A-, docked to a B+ in his '80s book -- wow, he was even more indecisive about Parker grades than Madonna grades!)

Jon Young in that Trouser Press guide says "Parker somehow lost his sense of purpose on The Up Escalator." But he doesn't like the production or playing on Macaw; in fact, of the early to mid '80s albums, he seems to like Another Grey Area from '83 (partially produced by Jack Douglas apparently) and Steady Nerves from '85 best (apparently because they rock a little bit harder?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Live Alone in America is the one I like the most. One of the few solo-electric singer-songwriter albums I can think of.

The Hood Won't Jump (Eazy), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

In 2001 I saw Dave Edmunds perform solo a few weeks after 9/11 in some little bar way downtown near Chambers Street I've never been to before or since. He had been teaching himself to play fingerstyle since he had recently recovered from some kind of heart attack and/or heart surgery so he was playing a bunch of material that was enjoyable to listen to but unfamiliar and kind of low key. At some point he was having some sound problems with his acoustic guitar so he switched to electric and kicked it into high gear with "Crawling From The Wreckage." Don't know if there was any intended significance or he was just playing one of his "hits" but it was an awesome moment nonetheless.

'tza you, santa claus? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2009 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

So, turns out two of the toughest-sounding songs -- maybe even the two toughest-sounding songs -- on Graham Parker's 1982 Spanish best-of LP Historia De La Musica Rock are from Stick To Me (the title track and "New York Shuffle.") Guess it's possible that album was actually uneven, but I'm starting to develop the theory that rock critics gave it iffy reviews when it came out because they were a bunch of wimps. (I remember really liking "I'm Gonna Tear Your Playhouse Down" and "Problem Child," too -- why'd I get rid of my copy, again?) (Actually, looking back at a couple record guides on my shelf, apparently what critics disliked about it is that it was slapdash due to being cut in a week, Nick Lowe's production is supposedly muffled to the point of inaubibility, "Watch The Moon Come Down" is "maudlin," and "Heat In Harlem" is overblown and seven minutes long.)

xhuxk, Friday, 8 January 2010 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno, I think it was because by then, Punk had broken and Elvis Costello did a lot of the same things as GP, but better.

Mark G, Friday, 8 January 2010 08:00 (fourteen years ago) link

"Stick To Me," "New York Shuffle" and "I'm Gonna Tear Your Playhouse Down" is a pretty formidable trio, all of which I heard many times on WPIX back in the day. Don't remember hearing "Problem Child." Don't know if in the end it was even Nick Lowe's production, maybe somebody else fiddles with it after the fact or something like that.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link

by then, Punk had broken and Elvis Costello did a lot of the same things as GP, but better.

Maybe, except that Stick To Me actually charted, in the U.S. anyway, a month before My Aim Is True (11-5-77 to 12-3-77, according to Joel Whitburn; don't know about release dates; Wiki lists Aim as coming out in July in the UK but not til March '78 in the U.S., which can't be right, can it?) Also, when GP later made his most blatant EC move on Squeezing Out Sparks, critics lapped it up. (Was surprised how much "Local Girls" seemed like a "This Year's Girl" rip when I was listening to that Spanish best-of yesterday. Also gotta admit that that song and "You Can't Be Too Strong" sounded a little thin to me in the company of the earlier stuff; guess I need to pull out Sparks again sometime soon to figure out whether I've been overrating it all along -- it was the first Parker album I heard.)

xhuxk, Friday, 8 January 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, obviously that Wiki release date "can't be right"; if it wasn't out until three months later, no way it could have charted in December.

And Mark may have a point, either way, in Costello's votes cutting into Parker's when it came to, say, year-end critic polls in 1977, obviously.

xhuxk, Friday, 8 January 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

how does The Up Escalator stack up against Trust? xhuxk?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not the one to ask! (Assuming I ever actually heard The Up Escalator when it came out -- which I must've, right? -- not a single detail has stuck with me about it, almost three decades later. Except that somewhere along the line, I decided it was pretty lame.)

xhuxk, Friday, 8 January 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if The Rumour even plays on The Up Escalator?

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Or maybe he had already fired them by then. I guess the point is that even if Trust is problematic, the Attractions hadn't been fully reined in yet. Trust was part of a a downward slope whereas The Up Escalator was complete shark jump.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Trust is his best album after TYM, to my ears.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Then what's the point in comparing it with The Up Escalator?

I got it backwards with Stick To Me, Nick Lowe was called in at the last minute to record after the original tapes were unusable and probably didn't have time to add his usual gloss.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I've actually always kind of liked Trust, fwiw -- more than Get Happy!! or Imperial Boredom, at least. (And I say that as a onetime Costello obsessive who actually played Taking Liberties and Almost Blue a ton when they came out, but who never cared about anything after Punch The Clock.) So maybe, bringing this post back in line with the thread, The Up Escalator was more Parker's Goodbye Cruel World. Or something like that.

xhuxk, Friday, 8 January 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Then what's the point in comparing it with The Up Escalator?

Released within months of each other?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Really? I guess so. I guess at the time it felt like the Elvis fanbase kept growing and growing whereas for the other guy the public was losing interest and the record label was trying a few things to pretty him up before they dropped him.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, xhuxk on the money.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

You too, James.

Mark G, Friday, 8 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Hm, Wikipedia says the 80s were his most commercially successful years.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

man, this stuff just doesn't stick. and his vocals grate.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I've got Stick to Me and liked it but haven't listened to it in ages. His '80s and later stuff has been pretty hit or miss as y'all have noted.

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 January 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

X-post re "vocals grate"...Maybe I listened to too much hardcore punk and heard too much avante-garde noise stuff at my college radio station, but vocals have to be pretty extreme for me to find them grating. Although I guess many define "grating" differently-- I've seen vocals from Bob Dylan, Eddie Vedder, Daughtry, and also Rihanna on "Run this Town" described as grating.

curmudgeon, Monday, 11 January 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Call out requests for obscure old songs from the front!

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 January 2010 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not really, I just thought that thread was funny.

This thread made me realize that in the eighties I was much more likely to see various members of The Rumour touring with Dave Edmunds or Nick Lowe or- wait for it- Nick Lowe plus Paul Carrack. One time I showed up to see Nick Lowe open for Elvis Costello at Radio City Music Hall and to my horror the only guitar player on stage was Martin Belmont, who was required to solo during every song! It was not a pretty site. I enjoyed Martin Belmont much more when I saw him at Toad's Place and either Dave Edmunds or Brinsley Schwarz was handling the solos, so that Martin could stick to playing rhythm guitar whilst loudly and visibly singing to himself.

lex submerge (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 January 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

So as promised, I stumbled across a dollar-bin copy of Stick To Me. Still has the cutout bin snip from the upper right hand corner, just like the copy I used to own before probably did. And turns out it's almost definitely his toughest sounding LP -- at least of the early ones, but I assume ever, since I assume ones from the '80s and beyond were a lot slicker. Definitely don't hear what problem people had with the production, and don't notice any appreciable dip in consistency from Howlin' Wind (and what I know of Heat Treatment), and "New York Shuffle" (maybe my favorite GP track ever, for certain the one I'd play in a DJ set if I wanted people to dance) sounds as good to me as anything he put out before it. And like I said, this album rocks like Howlin Wind (probably Squeezing Out Sparks too) doesn't. But I can see how critics might've heard the lyrics as uninispired -- it's clearly a New York record, much more than I'd realized (assume he moved there at some point?), and also a really petulant woman-baiting one, but I'd say there are a few too many weather metaphors for its own good. (Black people are cold in "Soul On Ice" and hot in "The Heat In Harlem" -- which heat is "in the soul" doncha know, and I guess that one's quasi-jazz stretching out to seven minutes is supposed to aurally conjure Harlem's unrelenting summertime swelter but it doesn't really work; also "lovers get caught just the same {same as what????} in the thunder and rain," and the tight and fast closing cut may be called "The Raid" -- as in "where were you when the raid came down" -- but I swear it sounds like "the rain" to me, so maybe somebody smart made him switch it at the last minute.) Thing is, I'm still not convinced his earlier LPs' writing was any more inspired than this one, and I'd say it's likely now that this is the one I'll pull out when I want to hear him. So: uneven, but underrated.

xhuxk, Sunday, 7 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Convinced beyond a doubt, after four or so listens to a dollar copy, that Heat Treatment (Xgau "A", Rolling Stone Record Guide 5-stars, Pazz & Jop #2 in 1976) is the least memorable/most mediocre of G.P.'s '70s LPs. Completely stumped that critics seemed unanimous at the time in considering Stick To Me a big step down from it. Best thing you could say is that it has a consistently pleasurable if mostly subtle lilt ("groove" is too strong a word) -- vaguely Staxish/reggae-ish most of the time, especially on side two I guess. Title track is the punchiest cut; most notable song overall is probably "Hotel Chambermaid," with its roller-rink keyboard push out of some early Bob Seger single and possible hidden clues to the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case. (Though it's still not nearly as good as Pink Fairies' "Chambermaid.") I get the idea "Fool's Gold" was considered another key track, but damned if I can hear why. Record's nice enough; I'll keep it. But I don't at all understand what about it people found exciting. You could maybe forgive critics just for craving something to be excited about in the supposed pre-punk doldrums of the bicentennial, but I could name scores of 1976 rock albums that leave this in the dust. So maybe critics were just lazy.

xhuxk, Saturday, 28 May 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

I like "Sparks," and "Stick to Me" more, but I think Heat Treatment's "Fool's Gold" is kinda catchy and I think I recall nice harmonies on a version of it. Here's a live rendition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhP6YGw6h8Q

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 May 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

I finally got Howlin' Wind a few weeks ago. Agree with xhuxk about the rote blooze stuff, but, damn, if the title track and "Don't Ask Me Questions" aren't killers.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

I have fond memories of seeing Graham do "Don't Ask Me Questions" live.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

After more than three decades, Graham Parker and The Rumour have reunited and will tour the U.S. this November and December. Upcoming dates will support their first album together in 31 years, 'Three Chords Good,' out November 20

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link

He's also got a starring role in the upcoming Apatow flick.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

Reunion is neat news, but frankly I was more excited about the Joe Jackson reunion a few years back (and I didn't see that, either).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

To each his own, but I'll take Parker over Joe Jackson.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

Me too! But I like those first three - two? - Joe Jackson discs more than most Graham Parker discs.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

Has anybody seen Graham Parker's current duo tour with guitarist Brinsley Schwarz (of his own band and The Rumour)? They're in DC tonight.

http://www.grahamparker.net/Tour.html

East and Midwest US plus Canada

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

Iow, he is still alive..

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link

I wasn't able to make it to their local gig. Wonder if they did any interesting pub rock covers together?

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 May 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

Don't think I'll ever get this guy.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 November 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link

You kinda do

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link

Ha, was thinking that too

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link

After 1979’s inexplicable Pazz & Jop winner Squeezing Out Sparks he had no reason to sustain a cult, but there he was and here he is.

Hey, he placed 2nd and 4th in 1976, so maybe not so inexplicable.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

And even the much-maligned Stick to Me made it to #19 in 1977.
https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres77.php

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link

The stuff right after Squeezing Out Sparks was pretty terrible apart from “Temporary Beauty” but eventually he kind of righted the ship.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

That Rhino anthology is a solid collection, but yeah, a lot of his later work wasn't so hot. Howlin' Wind, Squeezing Out Sparks and to a lesser extent Heat Treatment are great albums.

birdistheword, Monday, 23 November 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link

Now that it's all online somewhere, if ye be starting the maiden voyage, try Howlin Wind, and proceed chronologically 'til sick of it, but know that after the first 2-4 albums at least, it's cherrypickin' time all the time.
However, that's studio---live can be a different matter: if you can stand the original ten-track Squeezing Out Sparks at all, or maybe even if you can't, look for Live Sparks, which was originally promo-only, but very eventually (mid-90s) released on CD w the studio original. Worth hearing that whole disc for comparison, although Amazon for one lists even used copies for $19.99. Anyway, the live also has his kiss-off to label, "Mercury Poisoning" and a cover of the Jackson 5's "I Want You Back"(would not have guessed he'd pick that one).
And YouTube may well have his late 70s set w the Rumour on Soundstage, the old Chicago PBS show--no interviews, no patter, nothing but the music under hot lights for like 50 minutes, as I dimly recall (if I can remember it at all, and supposedly I can, must have been pretty damn good, though he made it look like all in a day's work, pretty cool).
GP *live* with the Rumour, can't go too wrong with that.

dow, Monday, 23 November 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

That Rhino anthology is a solid collection, but yeah, a lot of his later work wasn't so hot. Howlin' Wind, Squeezing Out Sparks and to a lesser extent Heat Treatment are great albums.

I took a listen to the Rhino collection again. The first disc is impeccable - nearly all of the highlights from Howlin' Wind, Heat Treatment and Squeezing Out Sparks are on that first disc, as are the original single recordings of "Mercury Poisoning" and "I Want You Back (Alive)." Pretty much everything is awesome.

The second disc is a good listen for the first 20 or 30 minutes, but it gets a LOT worse, so much that it was tough finishing the disc. I didn't look at the booklet until I was close to the end, but it's pretty stunning how mediocre those last few albums were when you look at his collaborators - not just key members from the Rumour but Rockpile, Elvis Costello's Attractions (Steve Nieve and Pete Thomas) and even Garth Hudson of the Band. To be fair, they're not awful but the songs are. They still sound like Graham Parker songs, but it's like everything that made him so great and enjoyable had evaporated. It really sounds like a hollow shell of what Parker used to be like.

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link


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