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Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

i think he preferred it in the 1850s

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of music does the BNP like?

Hongroism?
Oi?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

would hitler vote for the BNP?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Griffin, yesterday:

"Charchill! Charchill! With his cigars and his rotten paintings, rotten paintings! He couldn't even say Nazi, he would say Naaaaazzzzzzzii. We wasn't Naaaaazzzzis, we was Nazis!!!!!"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

buns 'n' poses, obv

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxpost

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I fully admit that my comment about the people of Sighthill was a bit nasty, but they were all out in force raging about the influx of asylum seekers saying that they would take their jobs when it is well known that the majority of people living living in this poverty stricken area - as most Glaswegians will back up - do not have jobs and exist on benefits. It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in. It is this non-educated subclass that would be the least amenable to other cultures moving in - and they proved that by assaulting and verbally abusing the poor immigrants who were forced to live amongst them.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

glasgowsurvival.co.uk

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the 'Oi' scene did attract a BNP faction altho fans of the scene such as Gary Bu5hell have tried to distance themselves from that (preferring his own more diluted style of bigotry i expect) naturally.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen is otm re 'neds'. I am sick to the back teeth of this shit.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Being a "ned" is nothing to do with being poor, it's about being a dick for the most part

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Are neds the 'undeserving poor'?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

No, they're just the irritating poor

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

cozen what am i then to call the person who talks thru his nose, wears checked cap pointing upwards, baggy sportswear etc who aggresively hassles me for money when walking through glasgow w.my sister? I mean, you could say the exact same thing abt "charver", but, I get onto the metro, and there's this group of fux0rz who, knowing that dressing like that, & talking like that gets one labelled "worthless charver scum" or whatever, nevertheless choose to dress like that, choose talk like that, choose to harrass elderly passengers, smoke "tack", tag, etc. Imean, so-one made ned/charvers etc dress like/talk like/act like neds/charvers etc, yet they still do. Self identifying, in't it?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

being a "ned" or a "charver" is 0 to do with being poor, it's to do with being a fucking knobhead, and visibly identifying yourself as such.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

That "ned" voice is hilarious, must take hours of practice

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, sorry, but neds and charvers actually do exist, and actually make actual working people's lives a misery.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay - what about the drawn faced 'blues' taking neds? Or the herion addict neds? I am genuinely scared of these people!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Shouldn't we be starring out the B*P?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone should perhaps de-google this thread.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

And what about those n*ds?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

D'ya think they'll come for us?

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Pashmina, maybe but increasingly common usage does equate ned/charver with poor, or at the very least with anyone who happens to live on a council estate.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Common usage by middle class fucking dickheads you mean?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I thought so!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you know: Glasgow fact #42 Ned is an acronym for Non Educated Delinquent.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

well, y'know, fuck chavscum & shit like that, I live on a 1/2 council-owned estate, you know? WTF am I to do, think of a new term just b/c some assholes yet again equate "working class" with "criminal class"?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

charver i am told is/was a romany term meaning "thief" and "shit"!

Also an old n yorks. term for "lad", polari for "fucking".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

why should it be degoogled? it's not exactly good publicity for the british national party. and the ned stuff is a bit low, if you ask me. looking a certain way does not give away yr entire personality.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen, if you grow up working class, on a council estate, in the Glasgow area - you know who the neds are and you spend most of the time laughing at them

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

We all sometimes abandon words because they have managed to accrue unpleasant connotations though don't we Pash?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

gis yer jackit yer dobber

― ned (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Reading between the lines on the Environment piece.

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms - be the those forms oil, litter or asylum seekers.

We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. - The polluter here is refered to as an "other" and thus not a core member of the BNP support. Hence will be equated with those groups the BNP is again. (Note use of fascist friendly enforce here as well, with its attendant enforcers).

In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture - associated with inner city council estates associated with ethnic minorities. Modernism is juxtaposed against traditional values, and tied here to the 1960's a period of large immigration and therefore a bad thing.

with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale. Local -not foreign, hence understood by a local workforce. Human scale housing = traditional British family units, not accomodating alternative lifestyles or extended family living. Human scale can also be juxtaposed against the "masses" which are threatening the British way of life et al.


― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The only unpleasant connotation of "ned" or "charver" for me is a young twoc-er/vandal/petty drug dealer/ person, who acts and dresses in a certain way. Sorry, but I don't give a fucking shit about people who think working class = criminal class think or say, because by their arithmetic I = criminal class anyway.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Most convenient acronymic etymologies of words like that are incorrect, Rumpy.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

And I'm not giving up "ned" just because the middle classes have appropriated it and I will certainly not give up laughing at them and impersonating that stupid nasal voice they affect

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The association of working class = criminal class grossly misunderstands the usage of the word working I find.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I've lived on and off council estates/council owned flats all my life and I'm sick to my stomach at some of the non working addicts I have for neighbours. You spend the day at work then come home to find the communal gardens full of spaced out *insert non-derogatory tip-toe round them word here* who have been lapping up the sun ALL day. The ones I live with have dogs which really irks me - I can't have a dog cause I work full time boo hoo! Maybe if I started jagging up I'd finally be able to get a pooch - oh, AND get my bills paid for me!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Any idea of the origin of the word Ned Ricardo? Anyone?

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate to say it Rumpy but you're beginning to sound like a potential BNP voter

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the term ned was originally coined because neds all listen to reggae music, and reggae = raggett = ned raggett = ned!!!

thus o.e.d.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

qed.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

qed quaggett

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken was the original term but was too confusing for people from the East of Scotland, ye ken?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

ha

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i am not ken and nor is my wife

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean, nora is my wife

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate everything the BNP stands for - if I voted for them then half my family, including myself would have to move back to the Caribbean. I have run out of any patience I ever had for the minority that make my street a dangerously unpleasant place to stay. I cannot cross the road to go to the shop because I feel intimidated by the glassy eyed addicts who watch my purchases with avarice and beg for change every time I cross the door. I hate the smell of pish in my building, I hate that they lean casually on my car, and when challenged they'll say "Who the FUCK are you talking to?" Erm nobody kind sir, I'll just be parking the car two streets away and walking to my house in the future. Try living with it.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

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