Rolling Country 2006 Thread

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yeah, I'll go with Mose Allison. that's a good choice. but Teagarden (whom I listen to all the time), wasn't he considered a jazz singer? I mean what I was trying to get at is the distinction between "jazz" and "blues" singing, did people before the '60s make that distinction? was there even such a thing as a blues singer (in the popular imagination--blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity, and yep, Van Ronk [who learned guitar from Gary Davis, a North Carolina Piedmont guitar virtuoso--just got thru reading Van Ronk's excellent autobiography, w/ help from Elijah Wald] certainly straddled the line between folk and blues really fruitfully in the NYC scene of the early '60s) before then, besides folks like Bessie Smith, Mamie Smith, et al? Tennessee Ernie Ford I like, and I love Moon Mullican, who I think was an influence on Jerry Lee. I think the distinctions are kinda silly myself, but I still wonder when the public (and writers, yeah) started calling white people "blues singers." who was the first writer to call Elvis a blues singer, as opposed to the "hillbilly cat" or whatever it was he was called initially?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to have a Moon Mullican album, ordered (like lots of my pre-60s music vinyl) through Downhome Music or the Rounder catalog or somewhere when I was in the Army, but I stupidly purged tons of that stuff from my shelves when I moved from Michigan to Philly in the late '80s-- I also had an excellent vinyl country-boogie comp LP on Charly or Ace or something. Anyway, I'd be really surprised if he *wasn't* an influence on Jerry Lee, piano-wise. The song I most remember by him is "Seven Nights to Rock," covered by Elizabeth McQueen on her album last year. She says she learned it from a late '80s DC pub rockish band called the Neptunes, and that Nick Lowe also covered it once, but I never heard those versions. Any idea whose version is most famous? Before McQueen's, I think Moon Mullican's might be the only one I ever heard. Great song, though, no matter what.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

tom breihan on CMT and race:


http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2006/01/country_music_g_1.php

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I was idly flipping channels last night, and came upon a Tim McGraw special that went on and on about his '94 hit "Indian Outlaw" and the outrage it provoked from Wilma Mankiller of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and other Native American spokespersons/writers. I remember hearing about this whole flap from a friend of mine in Memphis, of Cherokee heritage, who wrote books on the vexed relationship between Indians and whites, and I even think Vine DeLoria Jr., a Native American thinker/author ("God Is Red") I worked with when I lived in Denver (and who died last year) talked about it to me once when he found out I was from Nashville. like, no, Vine, I had *nothing to do with it!* I can't see "Indian Outlaw" as anything but a stupid song myself--it basically broke McGraw into radio--and I guess it illustrates one aspect of Nashville side-stepping more pressing racial problems, maybe. and Mike Curb's willingness to do anything to sell a record, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I just thought it was a crazed fantasy, and/or a takeoff on same, re white Southern "oh yeah honey I got some Injun blood (butt not too much)" jive. Which Leslie Satcher may or may not have been sending way up in de middle ob de air, so Gretchen could race a gaudy "Chariot" in heaven with her Injun granpaw.(Which G. may actually have.)But if I had one, I might not be so amused (by Tim, anyway). Nick Tosches' Country, and some of his other early books, have good info about Moon, Spade, etc. Wasn't so easy to dig all that stuff up before the CD Revolution started spewing it out. xxhuxx, do you like "16 Tons" composer Merle Travis? One of those guys with mad chops and a good sense of humor as well as good s.o.serious (not so many guys with all of that).

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

But what I meant to say about the songster et al was that surely there were tons of songs with "blues" in the title and the lyrics, and lots of people who had blues in their repetoire (oh lawd), and some who made a good living specializing in it, but as far as who (especially white singers) were *called* blues singers, guess we'd have to go back to for inst Paul Oliver's Story Of The Blues, Charles Keil, etc, which means I'd have to go back the library, which is closed tonight. But I always noticed, working in record stores down here, that when older(and some younger) black people asked for "blues," they might mean B.B.King, or they might mean Smokey Robinson. And B.B.'s career started about the same time r&b did, and he and Bobby Blue Bland and Nat King Cole and early black rockers played in a lot of the same clubs back then, and I wonder now if "blues" and "rhythm & blues" weren't popularized (finally in a merchandising-standardized usage) for retail purposes at about the same time, or maybe one (slightly?) followed the other, to distinguish, maybe "blues" became a subgenre term *after* rhythm & blues? Some artists shied away from both terms, and from "jazz."(All those,of course, replaced earlier marketing categories like "race records" and "coon songs," but the same kind of coding,in a way.)Anyway, Clarence Carter and Latimore hit Montgomery Jan.14, and I'm going!I hope.

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

edd

i am in the middle of reading deloria for the book, can you tell me more about his work in relation to pop culture, i only know him as (a radical, important and cogent) theologian.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean what I was trying to get at is the distinction between "jazz" and "blues" singing, did people before the '60s make that distinction? was there even such a thing as a blues singer (in the popular imagination--blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity, and yep, Van Ronk [who learned guitar from Gary Davis, a North Carolina Piedmont guitar virtuoso--just got thru reading Van Ronk's excellent autobiography, w/ help from Elijah Wald] certainly straddled the line between folk and blues really fruitfully in the NYC scene of the early '60s) before then, besides folks like Bessie Smith, Mamie Smith, et al?

Edd, I'm not making sense of this passage, especially the statement "blues was really underground before about 1960 or so when Fahey and Calt and those guys rousted Skip James and Son House out of their obscurity." Interestingly enough, a couple of months ago I read Elijah Wald's Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues, and the impression I got was that "blues", not "jazz," was the basic name for nearly all black popular music between the wars that featured singers rather than instrumental soloists. So a lot that we might in retrospect be calling black pop or rhythm and blues or jazz was all lumped together under the name "blues"; and the reason so much of this stuff is no longer called blues is that starting with John Hammond, white people tended to narrow the definition of "blues." And (if I am remembering/understanding Wald correctly), the broad usage of the term "blues" by black people carried over into the forties and fifties, so if you were to ask a black person in those decades to name a blues musician, they'd name someone like Louis Jordan or Dinah Washington. Blues was not underground, even if Skip James and Son House (who'd never been stars in the first place) were underground. The people Don mentioned - B.B. King, Nat King Cole, Bobby Blue Bland, et al. - were all called blues singers and were all popular black entertainers, as of course were Big Boy Crudup, Junior Parker, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Big Joe Turner but also a whole bunch of West Coast guys with smoother styles who've therefore been written out of history. A gentle smooth number like Chuck Berry's "Wee Wee Hours" would have been considered blues every bit as much as something like "Hoochie Coochie Man." So your original question about the difference or nondifference between jazz and blues singing is on the mark, but from the other side, as it were.

As for Teagarden - yes, I've heard him referred to as a jazz guy, but who knows what he was referred to in his time? (And what about Louis Prima?) The fact that Elvis veered more towards Junior Parker and Big Boy Crudup and Kokomo Arnold than towards the Carter Family - whose material probably wasn't altogether different from those blues guys'; didn't they do their own equivalent to "Mystery Train"? - may be why someone may have called him blues, if anybody did.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:59 (eighteen years ago) link

One really fascinating point that Wald makes is that most histories say the first blues recording was one by Mamie Smith in 1920, but in fact there'd been a whole bunch of songs with "blues" in the title from 1916 onward, and they were at least as blues as Smith's was - she was in New York, after all. The reason that the history books don't cite these earlier blues recordings is that the performers were white!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, Frank, what I should've said--and I didn't, since I had already brought up the subject of *white* blues singers--is that blues was underground to white people before about 1960. and true, BB King and Louis Jordan were popular, but the blues of the '20s and '30s was really obscure even to most blacks, right? so I suppose it's the old thing about varying definitions of blues, as Wald gets at well in his book. I think the distinction between singers and instrumentalists re "blues" gets at it well, too. I think the thing that perhaps is easy to forget is how fucking obscure something like Crudup's "That's All Right" or for that matter Jr. Parker's "Mystery Train" was to most white people in 1954, I mean unless you lived in Memphis and was very, very hip and prescient (and, most likely, poor) how on earth would you know about such things? which is the genius of Elvis and all those people who weren't bound by class and who were able to get at it. again, it gets back to the original question: when the rockabillies were doing their thing, did people think of it as "blues" (which basically it was) or just as some crazy low-rent white people going crazy? when did everyone *realize* all the connections?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked "Indian Outlaw" when it came out; still have the CD single around here somewhere. It was, to my knowledge, one of the first '90s pop-country hits to have a dance remix (which actually didn''t improve on it much); its interpolation of the Raiders' "Indian Reservation" was also real cool. But yeah, its stereotypes were idiotic, and understandably offensive if you're offended by such things. (One of the best things about the record is that it and Tim's dad Tug inspired a great Chief Nokahoma joke by turkey-shooting Xgau.) Also, it was a *novelty* song, so at first (a la Beck with "Loser" and Eminem with "My Name Is") McGraw (who like Eminem and Beck had put out earlier music not many people had heard, I think) just seemed like a one-hit novelty artist at the time; I doubt anybody would have guessed he'd soon have a long career as a major artist (which, in McGraw's case, didn't really kick in til a few years later, right?) Anyway. I never saw the TV special about the controversey, but I did notice that, by some odd coincidence or maybe not (a brilliantly organized writing campaign?) both the Voice and Time Out New York printed multiple letters this week complaining about use of the derogatory word "squaw" in headlines (not of music reviews, though.) One letter to the Voice was written by Deborah Iyall of Romeo Void! I wonder if she heard that great cover of "Never Say Never" by Slunt last year.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

And no, Don, I've never investigated Merle Travis at all. I should. And yeah, I totally miss those pre-CD/internets days when reissues weren't everyfuckingwhere you looked and inevitably box-set-sized monstrosities too daunting to listen to; I liked them being one-LP vinyl secrets from all these little labels you had to order through the mail. That was fun. For me, I think, the reissuee boom really kicked in with some Slim Harpo LP and 4 Bob Wills Tiffany Transcriptions ones I ordered in, I dunno, '83 or so? '84? Somewhere in there.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, Clarence Carter/Latimore is sold out already! But they just annouced it! Oh well, I just scored a library discard of one of the best books I ever checked out; one of the funniest, also good serious, great chops (as with Merle T.): Tom T. Hall's The Storyteller's Nashville. I had recently noticed good prices on hardback copies at Amazon, so check it out that way, if you don't see it at library yall.

don, Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, according to the definitive 1995 K-Tel dance-country compilation CD *Country Kickers,* the proper country line dance to do to Clarence Carters's "Strokin'" is the "sleazy slide." Other popular dances include "the earthquake" (for Ronnie Milsap's "Earthquake"), the "scoot" or "freeze" (for the Oak Ridge Boys's "Elvira"), the "reggae cowboy" (for the Bellamy Brothers' "Get Into Reggae Cowboy"). the "cotton eyed joe" (for Isaac Payton Sweat's "Cotton Eyed Joe," and I bet for Red Nex's too), the "barndance mixer" (for Robert Ellis Orral's "Boom! It Was Over"), and, uh, the "2 step" (for my favorite song on the album, "Midnight Girl in a Sunset Town" by Sweethearts of the Rodeo, who I know nothing else about, and I just realized I should do some research on). I don't know how to do any of these dances, and I also do not know if they have been supplanted in the decade since by other dances. Also, did "Strokin'" ever actually hit the country chart? I don't know.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the real question here
is which thread will be longer,
this one or teenpop

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost)

According to AMG, neither "Strokin'" nor any other Clarence Carter song charted country.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 8 January 2006 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Teenpop starts with a strong burst, but country trots gamely forward. (I assume country, in that there's a lot more of it. But teenpop always has great controversy potential and attracts some fo the guys who just can't stop fighting each other.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

you were right about the kelly clarkson song, but i think that the best proof of its country tendencies is its obsessive seeking of solution wrt domestic melodrama

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

teenpop attracts which guys who can't stop fighting each other? Like in New Edition? Rivals at Christina Conventions? (Not that I would know about that firsthand, but have heard tell.)Sounds more like a country song scenario, but I'm stereotyping the stereotypes too much, no doubt. Information, please!(But then we must get back to country, and yes Anthony, obsessiveness is part of my country criteria too, but Hope *sounds* more country than Kelly, although Kelly's got shirtgrabbing crises, and I wish I'd worked her into my P&J, like I listed Hope as one of the best new talents in country, crossing over for good, I hope, now that she needs a new label, although signing with a country "major" now might be liking signing on to the Titantic)

don, Sunday, 8 January 2006 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean the teenpop threads, Don.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

(a brilliantly organized writing campaign?) both the Voice and Time Out New York printed multiple letters this week complaining about use of the derogatory word "squaw" in headlines (not of music reviews, though.) One letter to the Voice was written by Deborah Iyall of Romeo Void!

Gotta be the case. Last time I saw her on TV she lives in one of the pit desert towns on California, making it hard to believe she'd care what the Voice publishes unless it was pointed out with the admonition to launch a protest. So please to remove "lock 'n' loll"
from that review, y'know.

You'll want to be on the lookout for Copperhead's "Live & Lost." Southern rock band with guitar density equiv to "Big Boss Man" by the Headhunters. (Although the copperhead is the northern Pennsylvania strain of the eastern cottonmouth, or water moccasin, so maybe they should have called themselves, Massassauga, the native American name for it and risked getting picketed.) Listening to it repeatedly convinced me my dislike of bands like the Drive By-Truckers is legitimate. Tunes-wise, it has
some good ones although the titles make you think "dreck."

And it has no relationship with the stoner rock contingent that tries
to regularly pass itself off as southern rock or influenced by Skynyrd/ZZ/blah-blah, anything classic rock to get you to listen to the same old horribly bowdlerized Sabbath ribs (and if you think this means I'm talking about The Sword, a contender for most foolish and annoying Texas band I heard late last year, you're right).

Killer version of "Whiskey & Mama" and it's not even the second or third best song on the disc. "Keepin' On" would be great for CMT and all of it would be like Keith Urban if Urban turned up the guitar,
added a loud organ and sounded as classic rocker who rides a motorcycle as he looks. Vocals don't sound Urban, they sound Ricky Medlocke.

Funny, these days I'm getting the best sounds off the frustrated and desperate vanity pressings distributed by CD Baby. If you can sift them on-line, not at CD Baby proper [and I'm not giving away my patented trade secret on how to do it, sorry, although ask private] there are surprises surprisingly easy to find. Which you can't locate via Google or by reading webzines, although -after- you find them, you can track down one or two reviews, almost always on web-only publications in Europe in foreign languages where they are still big on US classic rock. [Thanks Google "translate this page" tab.]

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

again, it gets back to the original question: when the rockabillies were doing their thing, did people think of it as "blues" (which basically it was) or just as some crazy low-rent white people going crazy? when did everyone *realize* all the connections?

I think a lot of DJs were making the connections as soon as they heard the rockabilies' records; likewise some of the less up-tight press. Guralnick cites a Billboard review of "Good Rockin' Tonight" from Fall 1954: "Elvis Presley proves again that he is a sock new singer with his performances on these two oldies. His style is both country and r.&b. and he can appeal to pop." And another Billboard review from December 1954: "...the hottest piece of merchandise on the...Louisiana Hayride at the moment is Elvis Presley, the youngster with the hillbilly blues beat." Not exactly visionary criticism but kinda accurate. (We should collectively vow to reintroduce the adjective "sock" to the rock crit lexicon.)

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

alt.country goodness:
Patty Hurst Shifter's new disc
sounds like late dBs

if Pete Holsapple
was really Paul Westerberg,
and was on steroids

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Which explains why I didn't care for it. Not enough oomph and they sent me TWO copies. Yikes. I can see people who liked the dBs and prob'ly the Chris Stamey Experience album I heard last year would like it, though.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Patty Hurst Shifter record pretty well; the hidden track is a cover from the great lost Replacements MTV Unplugged album--a cigarette the lead singer tries to throw out the van window starts a fire in the back seat trash and becomes a pyre for rock & roll sweet sister mercy. so corny it's great.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Just doesn't rock. I kept expecting their song called "Acetylene" to shower sparks and it never did.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

but it is not rock,
it's just pop with country twang
and fuzz distortion!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 8 January 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for that info, Roy. sock.

so, saw the Townes Van Zandt documentary last night. very sad, very troubling. you get the sense that VZ was this still figure around which the normal world whirled, and in everything he said there was this catch, this pause, before he smiled in the most fatalistic way possible. yet I found him very funny indeed, and I found myself admiring the way he simply didn't seem to care about fame, money, backup singers...and although I admire Guy Clark's music, I have to say that if there's an award for "enabler," it seems to me Guy Clark might well get it, as he lived with Van Zandt and seemed to idolize him beyond all reason. the creepiest moments came with Nashville DJ Ralph Emery, who was, uh, taken aback a bit by Townes. and it was even creepier when VZ played his big hit "Pancho and Lefty" on some Nashville Now TV show complete with goopy backup singers and band; he sounded neutered, out of it. but when Townes played Lightnin' Hopkins he seemed most himself, to my ears, so maybe the thing is that he was really a bluesman as well as a songwriter's songwriter...I haven't totally decided yet just how great a songwriter he was, some of what he did falls into my blind spots, but he was damned good, if not "the world's greatest songwriter" (I mean, Randy Newman?). so, fine film, even though it seemed to lay Townes's later problems on electroshock therapy and seemed to gloss over any other tendencies by saying that "Townes was the kind of kid you find in every family who could get anyway with anything, and who didn't care about all his advantages."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

On the "advantages" point: Does the movie explain what happened to his inheritance?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Thinking about Lou Rawls and country this morning. There's his great version of Loudermilk's "Tobacco Road" from that live album, and the early gospel recordings, but that's all that comes to mind. Did he ever try Western Swing, either in substance or allusive style? He did "Gentle on My Mind" (but I haven't heard it). He always seems more up-town than country soul, but I'm probably forgetting something obvious.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

only thought of him
in relation to country
for his gospel stuff

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey so when I first listened to this new Elvin Bishop CD *Gettin' My Groove Back* on Blind Pig last summer, I thought "so what", but now it's sounding totally funky, waddaya know? Plus the instrumental cover of "Sweet Dreams" by Don Gibson is quite gorgeous. In one song Elvin rolls through the land with a booty-kickin band, in one he wrote with Steve Miller he parties til the cows come home, and a there's a shuffle about his toilet-bowl-drinking old dog and a gumbo boogie about New Orleans (recorded and released pre-Katrina, if my memory serves.) Plus the guitars get hefty fairly frequently, too.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Also I believe ribs (the kind you eat) get mentioned in TWO songs.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

This guy has the best name of any country artist ever!!

http://home.comcast.net/~eddycee28/

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Boo, no free mp3s. But the CD is only $5.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

*Does the movie explain what happened to his inheritance?*

no, I don't remember that it did. it seemed a bit hazy and incomplete on his family history, actually. and it seemed to gloss over the conflict over the rights to his music (between Eggers and his family), too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

listening to this Memphis-produced post-alt-country album today, Amy LaVere's "This World Is Not My Home," which has Jim Dickinson and Paul Taylor (who played bass with the Dickinson brothers in a band called DDT way back before they went jam-band, or rather, he played with them with they were jam-band but with real jam-band material, like the Allmans's "Hot 'Lanta) playing on it. I expected to not like it at all, but I kinda do. her voice is a bit little-girl, but sexy, and hints at soul, somehow. songwriting not first-rate, but there are two songs I quite admire: the opener, which is sort of a Ribot/Tom Waits snake-slither, and one called "Nightingale," which is really nice and minimalist, lots of overdubbed pedal steel and guitars. other tunes hint at good Doug Sahm, and there are a couple nice 6/8 country-soul-atmospheric ballads, too. she plays upright bass too. if she had something to really sing *about* it'd be great, material is definitely a problem. but I like the sound of it, and quite enjoy the hokey and honky approach to old-tyme country music. and in her live show, she covers Koko Taylor, Hank Williams and some real obscure Carla Thomas tunes, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been enjoying that LaVere record too.
A friend just sent me 6 mixed CDs of choice and sometimes obscure country soul tunes. Carla Thomas doing "I'm Lonesome I Could Cry" is killing me right now. I'd never heard it before.


Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i really want an ysi of that

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 04:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The Patty Hurst Shifter guy sounds kinda like David Gray, teh "Bably, one" guy. I heard part of a live radio session with Gray band once, not so bad, and he and this guy have a certain gray cool; he's not as boring with some of these grayer lines,as a lot of other guys with similar approaches are. I guess he'd fit into the countrybluespolitan sector of my Ballot comments, which I just added some more too (Keith Urban compared to Harry Connick Jr. and Chet Baker, and if Stan Getz had sung, I would have mentioned him too: whitebread with wailin' axe, though Keith's axe doesn't get enough room on most of his tracks, which I guess is John Mayer's thought too, with his new Trio)(also this bluescountrypolitan, or bluespolitan graf now refers back to the "Howdy Ma'am" thing about Hot Apple Pie and Billy Currington [who knows to have a smoove-r&b-related discreet groove on his better tracks]). Also mention of Edd's goodun on Gary Allan at end, and corrected speling of "Allan" all throughhttp://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/ (Frank's Bare heap good too. xpost Elvin: think it was Hog Heaven, where he had Maria Muldaur and Amos Garrett singing and picking along with him; real good.)

don, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, re Patty Hurst Shifter (what does that name mean?) and power pop: kind of an interesting discussion of country and power pop on that thread xxhuxx started, think the title had to do with that guide to power pop he bought from a homeless guy in St. Mark's Place?

don, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think the name means much, but it's a play on "hearst shifter," which is a gear head term for a cool manual transmission stick.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

YSI-ed it to your gmail, Anthony.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i got it, and i was amazed, thank you

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

what about the Urban/Nicole Kidman romance? I saw something on this on E! or somewhere like that. will it last longer than Chesney/Zellweger? me, I'd go for Naomi Watts! and, is Urban nothing more than our era's answer to David Carradine? with a pretty great guitar technique and a sort of dazed response to his own fame? when will Robert Altman do "Nashville 2" and cast Urban, Kidman, Watts, Toby Keith, Blake Shelton (as the good guy) and Sara Evans (in a frenzied reprise of the famous Parthenon-shooting scene at the end of the original)? just think what a gaggle of actors with zero knowledge of country music could make of today's scene, as our answer to Henry Gibson--Paul Giamatti, Alec Baldwin, Benecio Del Torro...?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

So the iTunes free single of the week is Jace Everett, "Bad Things." I've listened to it 5 times and I'm not feeling it. Reverbaholics will dig the guitars and there's one cool little organ break but the S&M atmospherics are neither sexy nor especially creepy. The lyric is slight, almost non-existent, and as a confession of a lonely dude's dark side it still sounds repressed, or rather trying too hard to be unrepressed, as if, given the chance, the worst the singer could do would be to suck on "your" toes while playing the bootleg DVD of Brokeback Mountain with the sound down.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That would be close enough to the worst for me, if not for "me," thanks.Edd, do you mean Sara as the Loretta figure? I'd like to see her bring xtian xtasy to the choirleader's part, and let Naomi go Loretta (I'm sure she'd be *committed* to the role heh). But who would Toby play? The assassin? There has only been one Shelly Duvall,ever, especially in those undies (sigh).I bet Nicole would think she could freak out like Loretta, since she played Virginia Woolf. (Albeit with a fake schnozz, but that was the suspense; would it fall off when she freaked out?) And next, in an even more dramatic defiance of genetics, she will BE Diane Arbus! (I just read it.)There was a tribute to the Nashville soundtrack, but Keith wasn't on it, alas.

don, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, speaking of bluescountrypolitan, I just saw a one-reeler on CMT, with the Mound City Blue Blowers, Whitey & Ed Ford, and others. Towards the more polished side or end of the Hillbilly Corn era, it seemed: three girls singing a little twangy, but the harmonies were like barbershop (usually four parts, right?) A bluesy song, not real emotional, but enough. Checked, "country" dresses, but with frilly bloomers, so hillgenteel, if a bit quaint in the fashions (conservative). The Mound City Blue Blowers did a moody,bluesy song I've heard in Busby Berkley musicals (you'd know it if you heard it; damn what's the title?). Dominated by a kazoo (or something else?) played through the metal flower-shaped amplifying horn off a victrola, but not the metallic def-a-kazoo all over the Memphis Jug Band, but then i didn't hear a jug either. Next to the horn-and-other player was a percussionist, with 3/4-size brooms (bigger than whisk brooms), with no handles, which he played like a drummer plays brushes, basically, across a thick cloth over the side of a standing leather instrument case, which he kicked in syncopation. Not too slick, not too basic, not too intense. Why shore, don't you know there's a war on?

don, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the new edition of avedons in the american west, and i was really suprised, among the cowboys, the rig pigs, teh carnies and the secertaries, the ministers, and the like, there is almost nothing about the music, nothing about the sound, and i wonder, this sort of studio in the heart land cleaned up filth, does it have a sound track

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 06:42 (eighteen years ago) link

modified from metal thread:

"Sunlight Breaks In" and "Just Like Me" (off *Tracks* by Uncle Billy's Smokehouse from I guess Worcester, Mass, or thereabouts) are like Guns N Roses crossed with Alice In Chains doing country-rock fit for CMT; the guy's high register actually pulls off its Axl attempts.
(The rest of the album is excellent too, but more hard rock than c&w.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link


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