marketing of masculinity

http://media.cardplayer.com/image/h/huck_seed_Small_.jpg

2 degrees of separation away from this dude (his sister was in my wife's dorm)

professional poker players are disgusting savages

why does the game of poker attract such douchebags? is it the whole "vegas baby" high roller thing? i would blame jon favreau but i know it goes back to some rack pat shit.

Goes back to them being rambling, gambling guys.

also the notion of playing cards for a living will tend to attract high-level douche talent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgA4JQQhZD4

hoping those commercials generate a new interest in masculine skirt wearing and purses

The idea that not getting Miller Lite is somehow a punishment!

the bartender's eyes are dewy with disdain

ws all these miller light drinking dudes

http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/daggerlee/IMG_0240.jpg

http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/daggerlee/IMG_0241.jpg

verdict: pretty good, but I dunno why a woman couldn't also eat all these dark chocolate covered pretzels ticks

lol

That still looks girly. Needs a truck on it, imo.

a truck that turns into a robot

a truck that turns into a robot with tits

sounds like a pretty genderqueer truck

ugh girls no way

Yeah, nvrmnd.

A truck that turns into a robot that is also a grill

to grill your bitter chocolate pretzel sticks on right

NO!

Men don't eat dark chocolate! Men eat meat! The pretzel sticks are just to lure women who we will set on fire to grill our meat on!

this chocolate is bitter because it contains the tears of my enemies whom I've vanquished in combat

dudes love putting long things in their mouths

Tears are gay. You were fighting a bunch of gay dudes? What are you - queer or something?

the day they let that makeup wearing pussyboy alex reid into the ultimate fighting ring was a black day for real men imo

tbh imo all marketing of masculinity is really abt male-male homosocial desire but maybe in a way that is not specifically "gay" so

yeah i got lots of male-male homosocial desire, but i tend to descripe it more as 'fancy a pint after footy' for fear of putting guys off

kinky

Why? Why? Why? ...FOR GOD'S SAKE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

tbh imo all marketing of masculinity is really abt male-male homosocial desire but maybe in a way that is not specifically "gay" so

a lot of it is, true. Like if you were phrasing it in terms of feminist film theory (the school that appropriated from Lacan & Freud), you could say that not only women are subject to the male gaze, but men are as well.

i saw this crappy documentary abt "straight-acting gays" which was kinda gross in its smug approval that sporty bear-ey homos are in some way bucking some rigid idea of what gayness is (it was pretty gross imo). But one guy said something that really stuck w/ me which was "how can i be the thing that I desire." I mean in a crisis of masculinity age I guess its prolly easier for gays to explore and represent their homosocial desire bc its not problematic to collapse the boundary b/w the social and sexual, but, you know, I feel for straight guys bc post crisis of masculinity or whatever they have to find some way of enjoying and representing their male directed desire that doesnt make them look like a fag.

it is interesting what connotes "looking like a fag" that isn't one of the obvious things, like taking pleasure in having a dick in your mouth.

I'm sure that "looking like a fag" has multifarious and purely coincidental roots in the complications of being closeted. The signals couldn't be too obvious, or straights would suss you out, but couldn't be too subtle, or you'd never hook up. But whatever signals were settled on, they were sure to be somewhat arbitrary.

I'm confused by what plax said, but I think I need to read it a few more times to get it.

i think the jist of plax's argument is the need for straight guys to say "no homo"

I guess I'm not surprised that there's supposed to be a "crisis of masculinity" at present, but it seems to me totally unnecessary.

I never fit any of the social stereotypes of being "a man's man" (an interesting phrase that has now slipped into desuetude), but I got around it by just deciding I was a man, so any definition of masculinity that left me out was a flawed definition. It seemed perverse to credit the definition as correct and to place the flaw in myself.

So, if there is indeed a "crisis in masculinity" it isn't because men are not men anymore. It is more a failure of prior definitions. But that definitional failure has been around for a long time. We need, among other things, a definition that leaves out any particular sexual orientation as a requirement.

In fact, it would be helpful to cut masculinity loose from gender altogether, so we all can recognize the inclusion of both masculine and feminine traits in everyone. This idea has long been accepted in Asia. See also: yin & yang.

It's about time we got with that program and laughed those silly ideas of masculiinity (as exemplified in the ads above) out of society entirely. Irony in this case isn't strong enough to do the job. Ridicule is the right medicine.

agree w/Lamp though - some of those Miller Lite drinking guys in that ad are v. cuet

ridiculing people and their ideas is always the anti-macho solution right

on the macho scale, where does playing devil's advocate rate?

I see what you did there. cute. but the sleight of hand came where you added ridiculing people to what I said abt ridiculing ideas.

all im really saying is that it seems from my perspective ther igid rules for expression of male-male sexual desire w/in a straight male framework make it inherently problematic for straight men to celebrate their masculinity because seeing and enjoying yourself as a masculine image involves an enjoyment and appreciation of an image of masculinity but the sexual element is kindof suppressed?

Can't speak for Sarah, but I definitely wasn't ridiculing plax.

Oh, nevermind. That's not what anybody meant.

lol - i thought crüt's comment was ridiculing me for commenting on the "cuet"ness of the guys in the ad!

if he was hes a retard cos those guys are pretty cute

this though:

"So, if there is indeed a "crisis in masculinity" it isn't because men are not men anymore. It is more a failure of prior definitions. But that definitional failure has been around for a long time. We need, among other things, a definition that leaves out any particular sexual orientation as a requirement."

I have no idea how this could work, any definition is going to be lacking, it might even be said that the more comprehensive a definition is the more explicitly exclusionary it becomes.

agreeing w/ aimless. why not describe ur genderness and what it means to you as something compatible w/ yourself and how you want to proceed? i think those ideas of masculinity shouldn't be ridiculed but ignored or exploded -- speaking as one of those gay guys with guilt issues who's tried to be what i desire or wanted to try to be what i desire. it's impossible and exhausting. x-post

haaaaate this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J73cdISF8wk&feature=player_embedded

whoa - that ad really illustrates plax's point

the reason i got pissed off with that shitty documentary was because it implied that these straight acting queers were

a.) in some way less queer (which in a way i kindof agree with, i mean, their version of gayness is a lot more digestible than faggy swishy hairdresser types)
b.) the implication that gay men desire "men" and that what constitutes a "man" is a lot narrower than the version aimless describes for himself above for eg.
c.) that these narratives of desire become just as easily applied to a rigid policing system for gender expression, which is really depressing considering the self-policing that most gays i know have experienced in the closet stage.

also lol @ late capitalism perpetuating heteronormativity itt btw