The Best Song on The-Dream's Love vs. Money

same kind of "which album summed up the decade" dumb writerly/narrative shit ppl always fall into, mad annoying

I think the fact that 90% of "Fancy" is a gentle R&B ballad would actually play against it being the "indie" pick. I think it's more the kind of track that tends to wow people who listen to a fair amount of R&B already.

it codes as a "different" sort of ballad though - the kind of consciously ambitious thing which might well appeal to non-r&b ears (the ballads that get dismissed are much more ostensibly generic, not to say melismatic, than "fancy" is at any point)

the part you guys are missing is that there's prolly no R&B album, even a critic/indie-friendly one like The-Dream, that PF would put a deep cut from on their tracks list. it's not like their Beyonce picks or w/e aren't singles too. even w/ rap albums it might be a Clipse or Lil Wayne deep cut but everything else is singles.

anyway i REALLY object to the idea that "Fancy" is universally agreed upon as the best song from this album, since again it didn't win this poll, and it's not even in the top half for me.

some dude otm, though I adore "fancy" and it's in the top 3 for me most days

also didn't "rockin' that shit" come out way before 2008 ended?

well, it leaked in December '08, didn't really pick up any airplay until '09

'rockin that shit' is dope & imo looking for 'fancy' would be like me expecting, i dunno, 'my shadow' to be gucci's token critic pick this year -- an excellent choice (in fact i was debating whether or not to vote 'fancy' as a single & decided not to bcuz i was voting for the album & that gave me another spot for other singles) but one that wasnt likely to get much support outside of the album's superfans

keep in mind that even w/ kells, most indie fans just new 'ignition' & werent really listening to chocolate factory

well said, and it's worth noting that p4k, for example, employs maybe 2 "superfans" of dream so expecting a deep cut is kinda unreasonable. but w/ something like animal collective or whatever, they've got like 20 die hard fans writing for that site, which is why there'll prob be 3 mpp songs in the top 10

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^^^ I think I failed to push The-Dream tracks as tracks for the same reason. This always happens with the Pitchfork list - I end up not voting for tracks where I loved the album, and then when i vote on the short list suddenly I'm putting those tracks in at like No .2, No. 3 spots.

tbh this is why I don't really like the "tracks" thing and always make singles lists, for P&J or whatever -- a straight list of my favorite songs of the year would be so redundant with my albums list and would feature so many tracks by the same people over and over that I'd rather just stick to singles as a medium in and of itself.

anyway i REALLY object to the idea that "Fancy" is universally agreed upon as the best song from this album, since again it didn't win this poll, and it's not even in the top half for me.

― some dude, Monday, December 14, 2009 8:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

the album is too well-rounded to bicker about a consensus standout track anyways.

xp: as if the US gvmt has the slightest modicum of control over public radio

I get what you're saying, but don't tell me that Clear Channel isn't empowered by a lack of anti-monopoly laws, either. Government does have an effect, however subtle, on most every sector of business out there. Radio is no exception.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, December 14, 2009 2:06 PM Bookmark

that was supposed to say "private radio". oops.

and year end lists are all abt being representational

― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, December 14, 2009 5:28 PM (2 hours ago)

not to pick on you here but, uh, since when are end-of-year tracks lists supposed to be representational of their albums?

― k3vin k., Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:08 AM (5 hours ago)

nah, by representational I meant that, you know with pitchfork they want a list that shows off the full extent of their aesthetic, their ecectecism and weird wildcards that show how they can look outside their standard field of focus to find things that complement or offset their musical landscape

I suspect you're drawing a bit of a bow from pitchfork's historical love of remixes - but the thing with remixes is that, esp. for the period 2004-2006, when it came to dance music non-dance fans were much more likely to be into remixes of things than they were to be into original dance music tracks.

Pitchfork has never particularly celebrated R&B or hip hop non-singles in its end of year polls - non-single rap tracks that did well have almost always been radio hits at the very least.

looking for 'fancy' would be like me expecting, i dunno, 'my shadow' to be gucci's token critic pick this year

tbh "my shadow" is definitely the standout gucci track of 09 for me, and of everything he released probably has the most critical catnip

for some reason i didn't realise we were talking about the pfork list last night, so all i have to say now is "fuck it, who cares".

non-single rap tracks that did well have almost always been radio hits at the very least.

that's not entirely true, as i alluded to before, stuff like "Georgia Bush" and random Clipse mixtape tracks weren't radio hits. but yeah generally those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

tbh "my shadow" is definitely the standout gucci track of 09 for me, and of everything he released probably has the most critical catnip

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my personal experience suggests otherwise, which surprised me -- i had assumed it would be a big deal

which one did you find worked instead?

haha 'wasted' obv

IS HE ANY GOOD FROM THE BACK?

iirc he put it down

He's all up on me like a monst... er, wait.

call me ali the way i knocked your ass out

that line takes a bit of a u_u context for me in the wake of chris brown

yeah tru, it's just been way up in my head today

i'm increasingly coming around to the idea that the answer to this question is "kelly's 12 play"

"i'm finna stunt like my daddy up in here" is a pretty hilarious and weird lyric in the context of this song

i just noticed a really awesome lyric on "ditch that..." that i had never noticed

(during the bridge)

enter the phantom, proceed to creep
exit the phantom, up in them sheets

she spends her time
aboard yachts if not, somewhere tasting wine
in paris *accordion* seducing me while we dine

she's the dream of a billion men

lol @ a billion

lol

Um....hey guys.

Were we aware of "Touch and Feel"? Because somehow I missed out on it until today. Apparently the UK got different iTunes bonus tracks and one of them was this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLmnNjH0s9k

Boring.

my terius unreleased top ten:

1) i'm not ok
2) like i do
3) zodiac
4) tears fall
5) should've been you
6) ever since
7) hit it on the road
8) tipper love
9) hard to find
10) something new

maybe hit it on the road was released? if so could substitute with 'they don't know me'. some of the other mariah demos + 'bed' are also incredible but feels a bit unfair somehow to include.

i don't think "hit it on the road" was released but it's probably in my all-time terius top 10, not just unreleased

NOW LET THAT 808 BEAT UP ON YO AZZ~~

whaaat hit it on the road suxx

nah i love the way it grinds, it's a surprisingly effective club banger

patron....in my system

My top ten Terius songs that haven't even been written yet, but I already know will be awesome:

1) Aggressively Chomping
2) Motionless Contaminates
3) Inside-Out Vandals
4) Inquisitively Quivering
5) Frozen Misfortune of Yesteryear
6) Fantastic Rage
7) Timid Lobsters
8) Genial Exploration
9) Vibrating Madness
10) Orchestral Relics with Colorless Rondo

now expand to 64 and bracketize

hit it on the road was released as part of the deluxe edition of love vs. money. it's on Canadian iTunes at the very least.

xxp u forgot 11) Lord Custos

Cause WHEN LOVE IS THE PROBLEM, NOTHING CAN SOLLLLLLLLLLLLVE IT

Whoever did this is a total hero imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRbK61TjWLo

who's in love with your ass like crazy?

haven't listened to this in a long time, should pull it out

i have all 3 dream albs plus my fav etc tracks in 1 playlist that i bump constantly

i thnk i voted mr yeah but it changes all the time, obv fancy is a killer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-EcZ59Ia8