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the microwave's glass was taped too, to prevent it from breaking. hahah i cant believe they're doing that at multiple shows! classic

jake b. (cerybut), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that Ian Dury were a lot better at combining new wave with disco than Gang Of Four ever were. Also, !!! are currently better than GoF at what GoF were doing back then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, have you found anyone else who agrees with you? I think most would differ with your take.

steve-k, Monday, 9 May 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, !!! have a lot more to do with later Pop Group, Pigbag, Grace Cale's Dubset, and the funkier moments of 23 Skidoo than they do with Gang Of Four... the !!!/Go4 comparison is a puzzling one, Geir...

(You can like !!! better if you wish, though.. no one's going to stop you there)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ian Dury--the music-hall influence on GO4 to be elaborated upon further, I'm sure...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we're forgetting about PUNISHMENT OF LUXURY in this whole equation!

(They were a really weird disco-punk band in that they fully integrated a Syd Barrett/"Nuggets" Acid Bubblegum element to their post-punk-disco that was pretty genius.)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The music hall influence is the exact reason why Ian Dury was better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I probably like Ian Dury a shade better than Go4 but it's a really weird comparison, it's not like they have a hell of a lot in common

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a broken microwave if Go4 wants to use it. It'd be an honour. Unfortunately, the closest they're getting to my city is Washington, D.C., and that's about a 15-hour drive away. Why no Atlanta date?

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post.

"Hit Me with Your Rhythm Stick" and "I Love A Man in Uniform" musically are sorta in the same ballpark. I like 'em both.

I like Ian and the G04 but for the most part, it's kinda apples and oranges. I'll take Entertainment over New Boots, if I haveta choose.

steve-k, Monday, 9 May 2005 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I probably like Ian Dury a shade better than Go4 but it's a really weird comparison, it's not like they have a hell of a lot in common

What they do have in common is they mixed new wave and disco. Although Ian Dury's music hall/pubrock was of course a different kind of new wave from GoF's postpunk.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

What Ian song should GO4 cover?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

"Wake Up and Make Love Like Anthrax With Me"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry I asked.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 9 May 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

but where is the love for Blue Rondo a la Turk, goddammit?

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"Morley and Mr. Sanchez"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw a geezer from Gang of 4 talking with Reynolds et al the other week. He was rubbish.

I think I have not heard their music for years, but I have a feeling it is rubbish, also.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

well you are wrong!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the definition of geezer?

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Was there mention of a kiosk?

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Mpls show semi-wrecky but I'm not sorry I went, despite the vile Quest and CC promotion. The microwave was on a flimsy stand which fell over. Gill checked his cell phone messages. "At Home He's A Tourist" was dedicated to "BROOOOCE." "Gluttons for punishment, are you?" inquired J. King re requests for an encore. Afterwards, overheard young fans remark disapprovingly on what they described as King's "cock rock" moves. What can I say -- one person's "cock rock moves" are another's ultra-spaz charisma. Hugo and Dave were excellent. Middle-aged people be getting PAID. "Some are insane and they're in charge." Yeah.

box of socks, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Going tonight with a small caravan of friends. Is it worth it toput in a concentrated effort to make it on time to see Radio 4? I know that the GangofFourers have made it public about their dislike for Radio 4, but I'm not sure if that's meant personally, or musically.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Check out Menomona if you're going to check out any band. They weren't really my thing, but at least they liked what they were doing, and had it down.

Radio 4 looked like the fucking Mighty Mighty Bosstones after weight loss and a class in Disco-Wave-Punk 101. (Sorry to the Radio 4 lovers.) They're not terrible live, but I'd punch their mugs if I had to deal with them in a bar or, oh say, a dressing room.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

well, i GUESS you should also see the headlining band too. sigh. (haha. minor details, sorry.)

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

They're not terrible live

Not quite praise there, is it?

peepee (peepee), Friday, 13 May 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

THEY WERE REALLY GOOD, weren't they, box of socks? i thought the mix was a little tamed, gill's guitar wasn't doing the sparks-of-the-subway-rails thing i was hoping for. but other than that, i was really impressed, and touched actually! everyone knew all the words! "you said you're cheap YOU COST TOO MUCH" pogo pogo pogo

i missed radio 4, thank god

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 13 May 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Yep, it was great seeing them -- glad you had fun too, g e o f f. "Semi-wrecky" in my drunkpost above = they screwed up a couple of songs, Gill visibly annoyed; and yeah, the guitar sound wasn't quite as DESTROY as expected but still pretty fucking undeniable. Intentionally missed Radio 4 as well. I was in the front (stage right) thrashing like a mad thing (Rock Neck ahoy) so did not see much of the audience, but had a sense of restrained head-bobbing; good to know people were rocking. And they mentioned the poster of Sitting Bull as Land Lord that they sometimes used as backdrop in the old (pre-Clear Channel tour) days! "Touched," definitely -- it was an evening of (some of the) old-timey roots music encoded in my DNA, still powerful on its own merits. PLEASE SEND ME EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS.

box of socks, Friday, 13 May 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The sound at the quest blows.

Gang of Four I thought were pretty fantasic...a few flubs, but what energy and just the sense of "wow this is what the REAL THING looks/sounds like"

radio 4 can eat a bag of bongo dicks.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I still have Rock Neck!

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 13 May 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Notes about Gang of Four in Detroit, last night:

1/ Took everyone's advise and walked in just to see the last song by Radio 4. Not terrible live may be true, but seemed way too calculated and faux-earnest. Plus, it didn't help to have Ben Stiller fronting the band
2/ Reminded about how many great drum riffs Hugeo had (has)
3/ Shocked at the intensity of the Gang of Four. I've seen them now 6 times, and this may have been the best. Part of that is the minusing of Sara Lee and the addition of Dave Allen, but part was the abandonement of playing near the end of a tour that may be their last, FOREVER. They seemed older, and that sure hampered Jon's gyrating rhythm into the show, but he sure made up with it with sheer relentlessness.
4/ Little hints that there's still difficulty between them, esp. Andy and Jon.
5/ A bit surprised that Dave played with a pick. When I saw him with Shriekback, he was tremendous, and played without a pick. This time around, the bass sound was way too tinny and had little bottom.
6/ I expected there to be more youngsters there.
7/ I became more solid with the idea of reunions. After last night, and seeing Wire a couple of years ago, I imagined how great it'd be if the young wannabeez could sit at desks, watching these two aged bands play, and LEARN HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.
8/ Was surprised to heard something offa Shrinkwrapped.
9/ wtf, He'd Sent In The Army,? That was amazing!

Because of this thread, I'd expected greatness, and got it.

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 14 May 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

7/ I became more solid with the idea of reunions. After last night, and seeing Wire a couple of years ago, I imagined how great it'd be if the young wannabeez could sit at desks, watching these two aged bands play, and LEARN HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.

If you didn't believe me, Ben Rayner said the same thing in this morning's Toronto Star.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Gang of Four tonight in DC......

"To Hell with Poverty" was the greatest live music moment I've ever been involved with.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Pardon my French.

Worth the 25 fucking dollars.

Goddamn.......my neck hurts.

PB, Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I admit, it's gratifying to hear that the old folks haven't become dinosaurs (except, apparently, in the Tyranosaurus Rex sense). Of all the greats, I've only seen David Thomas/Pere Ubu, and he hasn't gone soft. Further evidence that they weren't just the Rolling Stones in marxist-dadaist clothes. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The DC show was great(see that other thread re GO4 in NY for more tour comments). I wonder if Matos saw the Seattle show? That should have turned him around on some of his postpunk doubts.

Steve K (Steve K), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos had post punk doubts? Since when?

Anyway, yes, he saw show..

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 21 May 2005 10:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Matos agrees w/ me:

"All that fell away with the set's final song, 1981's "To Hell With Poverty"; as they performed it, everyone in the room held their breath. It belongs to the handful of greatest single-song live performances I've ever seen."

PB, Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

...except last night, no one held their breath. It was the loudest audience participation I've ever witnesses.....especially during the "Oooooooooh / ow ow ow OW!".

Unreal.

PB, Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

FWIW, the Minneapolis show, though maybe not quite as ON as some of these others, still left me with what turned out to be the most severe and longest-lasting case of Rock Neck ever, even taking into account additional wear on neck since seeing 'em in 1982. I seriously should've seen a chiropractor, but I think it's gonna be OK.

From upthread:

I thought that their sociopolitical stance was what made their aesthetic work. Isn't the tension inherent in their being a pop band critical of pop commodity-selling as an enterprise what makes them still worth listening to today, not just that Dave Allen could really play bass [...] isn't that just the thing that keeps them from being totally rigid and unfun, that they express the confusion and conflict of "false consciousness" and don't just present a line of dogma, like other bands of their ilk? [...] it seems like this is the stuff is what really makes them artists worth listening to and thinking about [...] Are they still coming from somewhere near the same stance that they did back in the day, or is this just a payday for them? And does that matter?

Discuss, please. I mean, they're still totally compelling live singing vowel sounds, but what do people make of the (rest of the) lyrical content in This Year Of Our Lord 2005?

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Never mind, I found the Dissensus thread: Their supposed leftist theoretical lyrics are bullshit. "This heaven gives me migraine" isn't clever, it's poetry -- just like Nick Cave singing "Rats in Paradise." On "Cheeseburger" they sing, "No classes in the U.S.A./Improve yourself, the choice is yours/Work at your job and make good pay/Make friends, great/Buy them a beer!" What the fuck does this say about America? And what's wrong with buying people beer, I'm sure they were happy to buy a few rounds for the bloke at Fast Records when they (ill-advisedly) were given the go-ahead to record for the label. What is "At Home He's a Tourist" about? It rhymes "culture" with "ulcer," and? If I rhyme "theocracy" with "osteopathy" does that make me a genius critic of the religious right? And as for "Love will get you like a case of anthrax, and that's something I don't want to catch," it's just bollocks, isn't it? Certainly not a patch on the Piranhas' "I don't want my body / it looks like a reject from an Oxfam poster / sex is its hobby / I stick it in the slot like bread in a toaster." People, Go4's lyrics were shit. Phew.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link


And what's wrong with buying people beer?
I'd hate to hook up the author of that blurb with a Bible!

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"Matos had post punk doubts? Since when?"-donut debonair

Over on the Rip It Up Thread he seemed to have some. Glad to read that he liked that GO4 show in Seattle.

Regarding the lyrics, criticize 'em if you want, but I think one can be more generous in judging pop music lyrics than in analyzing poetry and literature. Creative music can often make up for less artistic prose.

steve-k, Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree with that Dissensus post -- for one thing, "Anthrax" isn't about sex but a specific, destructive form of love, and pop love songs -- but it is, as you said, provocative. ...Even with some lyrics that were kind of undercooked and/or cod-marxist (and others that were flat-out brilliant), Gang of Four were and still are primarily about violent contradictions, expressed performatively (sonically in a multitude of ways, in their "career moves", etc.) as well as discursively; and that, for me, is why they fucking rule all hell, even now when by all logic and history they should not, the fact that they can still BRING IT onstage being merely the evidence. Let us give them lots of 2005 American money. The end.

box of socks, Sunday, 22 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Damn, it's hard to do post-punk as good as Gang of Four. It really is.

Bimble, Saturday, 29 September 2007 07:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Though many have tried.

I know, right?, Saturday, 29 September 2007 11:59 (sixteen years ago) link

And many have failed.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 29 September 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Can anybody transcribe the line from "Why Theory?" that follows "Distant thunder from the East"?

It sounds like "Won't disturb, our mornings go on"

but that seems a bit clumsy.

PhilK, Saturday, 29 September 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Now how did you know that is my fave song of theirs and I played it last night? I always thought it was something like "won't disturb our morning car wash" hahaha I'm probably wrong.

Bimble, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't find any of the lyrics to Solid Gold anywhere. I also thought it could be "Won't disturb our morning couplings".

Perhaps he just sings "Wun dudurb ah wah wah wah"

PhilK, Saturday, 29 September 2007 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Makes sense -- he knows little about sex.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 September 2007 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I can see I'm not going to get an answer to this.

PhilK, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link


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