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The Pipettes don't qualify for the cover of Uncut or Mojo, being alive.

They sound nothing like the Beatles, nor especially like the Vernons Girls or the Caravelles.

Doubtless if they were middle-aged, hairy men replicating the period details of the Flying Burrito Brothers, Uncut writers would be disposed towards them more favourably.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I wasn't thinking the cover. I was thinking one of the tiny rectangles at the bottom of page 132 with teeny tiny picture. I can't imagine the Pipettes being on the cover of Plan B, never mind Uncute/Modjo.

I like to think of them - incidentally - as the Pie Pets, which is a much better name, don't you think?

Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If they did a cover of the Caravelles' "I hear a new kind of music" I might like them!

Funnily enough, I have written about the Pipettes for Uncut. But I don't think I have written about many middle-aged hairy men! I do quite like that Midlake record though.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It's quite good but not the second coming of Syd Barrett which Morley claimed. What is it with PM and his Syd fixation at the moment?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't imagine the Pipettes being on the cover of Plan B, never mind Uncute/Modjo.

Funnily enough, The Pipettes are, in name at least, on the cover of the new Plan B! Big feature within, too, with much polka-dottage and excited/ing chatter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Although the Long Blondes got the actual cover shot. Good heavens, is it 1992 again so soon? ;-)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think sentimentality about the future is far more dangerous than sentimentality about the past.

can you expand on this Marcello? i thought it was an interesting remark.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

also do people think they're better than early Bananarama in any department? i don't think i do.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

can you expand on this Marcello? i thought it was an interesting remark.

never mind, i've seen the Stylus TOTP thing now.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

also do people think they're better than early Bananarama in any department? i don't think i do.

God no. "Pull Shapes" is great, but it's hardly "Cruel Summer" is it?

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

It's something which occurred to me after I read this article which has haunted me in a lot of ways, principally because I'm surprised that I still agree with so much of it (xpost).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard their session on the Radcliffe show last night after coming home from the FAP.

It was most pleasant and attractive.

I think their album will make for fine and supple summer listening.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

am listening to radcliffe now (as usual) and the live version of the single sounded very similar. (i'm with the nipper on this, there is something missing with the single. previous tracks have been better.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/radcliffe/

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 29 June 2006 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem with the pipettes is that the concept is brilliant and the execution is abysmal. they don't have any pop performative sensibilities at all, they don't have any understanding of how to convey all the things they want to. and they can't sing.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

obviously this is not either/or but compare the way the pipettes sing their lyrics to how girls aloud, sugababes, christina milian, christina aguilera, will young and rihanna sing theirs - all of the names i mentioned have pretty instinctive commercial pop nous, they're extremely adept at conveying emotions and emotions-beneath-the-emotions and emotions-at-odds-with-actual-words and subtleties and nuances, and their producers and arrangers are also extremely adept at this. the pipettes are sterile in comparison - i don't feel compelled by their songs at all.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link

do you like or know much about the style of music the Pipettes are aping tho? i'm not sure if this is really important re the criticism but i am curious as i don't think i've heard you talk about old girl group stuff much before.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't have v extensive knowledge of old girl groups but this is due to lack of time more than anything else, because i adore that sound and aesthetic! i may well play some supremes at do dirt tonight.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pipettes can certainly sing.

You should play some Marvelettes - much better than Dross and the Supremes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the way the pipettes sing their lyrics

I actually think this "emotional flatness" is kind of characteristic of some early girl group stuff -- Diana Ross is almost too late -- and so, to an extent that it may be intentional. I do agree, however, that only one of them (Gwenno, noted above) really seems to be a good singer.

(hmm, well, I guess I disagree with Marcello on this. Maybe the live session will convince me I'm wrong)

pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think it's emotional flatness - i like emotional flatness in the shangri-las style. it's hard to explain but i think it's because they have no idea how to make their lyrics mean any more than exactly what they say - there are no nuances at all.

?You should play some Marvelettes

i should HEAR some marvelettes! i have no idea where to start with any old girl groups. (while you're here marcello, where should i start with pre-tilt scott walker? i have never heard any of it!)

the pipettes sound fine on record, praise be to autotune, but i heard a live tv show they did and it was appalling, their voices are these awful out-of-tune caterwauling things which completely betray their lack of formal training (obv formal training is not a necessity by any means but if you are in a girl group and are singing HARMONIES it is best not to flaunt your vocal deficiencies)

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I rather doubt that Scott Walker of any era would fill the floor at Do Dirt!

However, since you asked...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i've heard GA sing badly live on TV too fwiw

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

oh thanks marcello - i really like that beth gibbons piece at the top of the page too, i'd not read that before.

steve, girls aloud sing (technically) badly on record too, but it doesn't matter because they don't sing material which requires much technical mastery.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

neither do the Pipettes if you ask me (because i haven't noticed their voices being particulrly bad on records, nor are they particularly great either of course).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 29 June 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw this lot on tv a few weeks ago, it was embarrassing to watch.

teh_kit has 22 friends (g-kit), Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

>emotional flatness in the shangri-las style<

Pardon me?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't remind me of 60s girl groups AT ALL but they do remind me of the 80s girl group revival - later Stiff acts, Mari Wilson, Tracey Ullman, the Belle Stars. I think that's a good sound to aim for: I think I'm with Marcello on this one.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like a low Terry Hall type voice to be burbling under them at times. or maybe i should just listen to that stuff directly rather than request a more recent rehash of same!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i prefer all saints

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Just listened to the new CD in its entirety and am floored at how slick and overcompressed it (mostly) is. Not that I expected them to make a Dolly Mixture record, but nor did I expect them to sound like the Spice Girls (uh, title track).

mike a (mike a), Friday, 30 June 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rubbish rubbish rubbish

el juan (el juan), Friday, 30 June 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i still think the dolly mixture comparison is one of the more accurate ones

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't remind me of 60s girl groups AT ALL but they do remind me of the 80s girl group revival

tom otm

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

mot mto

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i wish this band and thread would just shrivel up and die

oops, I just refreshed it
fuck

boonah (boonah), Sunday, 2 July 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

They're nothing special, are they? Sounds to me like Tracy Ullman's 50s pastiche songs. I can't understand how anyone could feel strongly about the Pippettes either way; they're just so nothingy.

David Orton (scarlet), Sunday, 2 July 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I am slightly sheepish to announce that I actually really like the Pipettes - well, based on the first half of the record anyway. Lex is right in saying the concept is brilliant but the execution is wrong, but I like the way they think they're trying to be all 60s girl group but are incapable of executing the sound in anything other than a route-one indie-pop way. Those big crashing drums in particular and utter lack of regard for the subtleties of the genre. It's hamfistedness is endearing to me, and proof that it's the approach, not the arrangements, that determine what style of music you actually are.

I'm not at all bothered by their voices, they add no more or no less to their songs than Girls Aloud, Rachel Stevens or any of the other several ILM-feted pop ciphers you could name. Also IT DOESN'T MATTER that they can't sing - male vocalists who can't sing get a free pass these days (unless you're Lex of course), it's very rare that female vocalists are afforded that luxury. Doesn't mean I'd want to see them live though, if only for the dodgy harmonies.

Still not as good as GA of course.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it would matter if they couldn't sing (or maybe they'd still manage to be endearing anyway), but the lead singer's voice sounds fine on the new song.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The album is really fun and I don't think it's badly sung at all. I suspect that many people just think estuary accents = bad singing. Rose in particular sounds very poised and is capable of subtelty too. Sure, they're not amazing singers, but that only adds to the endearingly wonky quality of the whole thing.
They're great fun live. If you don't go and see 'em live you miss half the fun. The moves are great, as are the outfits. The boys have matching tank tops and sweaters, depending on the season.

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Matt DC after listening a few more times. The CD is frontloaded with the best songs (which are generally the older ones), only to decline into nothingness after the halfway point.

I'd still go see them live.

mike a (mike a), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the album autotuned, though?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Who cares? Isn't ILM coving over a bit rockist with this obsession with the Pipettes' vocal ability?

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm just asking because some people are questioning their vocal ability and others are replying with "the record sounds fine." I'm saying that the two things (lack of vocal ability and a fine-sounding record) are not mutually exclusive.

Who cares about vocal ability and autotune generally? Well, myself and Neko Case, to name two off the top of my head, but that's not really here nor there. I don't think there needs to be a rockism debate here.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh, I was being slightly facetious with the rockism thing. You're right, we don't need a rockism debate here!

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, gotcha. It's hard to tell sometimes.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Sunday, 2 July 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

if you're going for ultra-formalist girl group stylings, "endearingly wonky" is a BAD THING. Indie versions of 60s girl groups - oh great just what the world needs.

They sound better on the record so I presume it's been autotuned.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 3 July 2006 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex did counter with the irrefutable Britney argument the last time I moaned about Autotune so even I have to admit it has its uses.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 July 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

> Isn't the album autotuned, though?

the live session on radcliffe sounded very close to the single fwiw.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Monday, 3 July 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Autotuning matters when it's Nerina Marti Pellow or whatever her name is bleating "I don't WAA-NT TO-OO DOIIII-EEEE."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 3 July 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

what a load of shite.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link


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