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Also do you know how hard it was to get Remindlessness for a time? I saw that thing in Belgium in 1991 and passed on it and regretted it for years before I saw it again.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

*Remindless on now*

And you know, even though at heart I'm a Church whore, sometimes I feel like I'm not ENOUGH of one you know what I mean? I know there are bigger Church fans than me, but I did fucking put my cents in, and it ought to count for something.

Also I would like to say I'm happy and proud to have found only a year and a half ago the vinyl of Marty Willson-Piper's In Reflection. That fucking thing was IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND back in the day. And one day record shopping with a friend, that thing was mine. Lovely!! Does anyone even have that on CD? Does it exist as such? Hell, maybe it does. But I got a big fucking booklet with it so there. Hahahah.

I like this song on Remindlessness called "The Amphibian". Oh yeah I remember this one. Wow. This is fantastic.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope I'm wrong. It's called "Life's Little Luxuries". It's hard to read with all the deep dark sky behind the words.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Been curious about the Church, ever since I heard they've done a soundtrack for Jeff Vandermeer's cult fantasy novel "Shriek - an afterword". (Sort of thing Hawkwind might have done, come to think of it.)

Any opinions on this, or how it relates to the rest of their work?

Soukesian (Soukesian), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Hasn't been released yet.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Its too late for me not to dig up this thread. Because I love all you Churchy types.

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, man. I played Priest = Aura again tonight while at work and it's still just as gorgeous as I remember.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Copying and pasting from the sandbox because it deserves to be posted here...

Starting yet another thread on The Church because of this: the setlist for last night's "Christmas" show in Sydney...
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Careful With That Axe Eugene
Cortez The Killer
Master Of The Universe
Magician Among The Spirits
Lord Of Light
Child In Time
Shouldn't Do That
Tantalized
Down Thru The Night
Ritz
Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
Seven By Seven
Block

Silver Machine
Day 5
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The show was described as "LOUD," "monotonous," "unfamiliar," and "some guy with a radio set making noises like he's attempting to get reception" with a chunk of the audience apparently fleeing the hall.

This is like my greatest dream concert ever. The fact that it's one of my favorite bands doing this 25 years into their career makes it even better. Apparently it was recorded, so I hope that some/all of this makes it out.

-- Elvis Telecom (quartzcit...), December 26th, 2006.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Currently listening to El Momento Siguiente which is more of the rejiggering/revisiting that they did with the first El Momento... album. Track listing:

1. Wide Open Road
2. It's No Reason
3. Reptile
4. Tantalized
5. Electric Lash
6. After Everything
7. Song In The Afternoon
8. Two Places At Once
9. Appalatia
10. Bordello
11. Pure Chance
12. Grind
13. North South East West
14. Comeuppance

So far it's not quite as striking as the first one ("Two Places At Once" isn't altered that much from the original), but I love the sitar-drenched droneout on "Tantalized" and the reworking of "Electric Lash" into a Parsons-esque desert country song.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot to mention, the Triffids cover is GRATE

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Copying and pasting from the sandbox because it deserves to be posted here...

Has it leaked anywhere?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not yet damnit!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I jumped off the Church bandwagon after _Starfish_, too, and agree that everything up until then is mostly great. I've always known that their subsequent work was full of gems but never investigated. Here's a rough attempt at a post-Starfish best-of based on Allmusic picks, tracks that appeared on best-of's and tracks mentioned in this thread. Comments, additions, deletions?

Gold Afternoon Fix:
Metropolis
Russian Autumn Heart
You're Still Beautiful
Terra Nova Cain
Monday Morning

Priest=Aura:
Aura
Ripple
The Disillusionist
Feel
Lustre

Sometime Anywhere: (lots of disagreement about the best of this one!)
Lost My Touch
Angelica
Fly Home
Two Places At Once
Business Woman
Loveblind
Authority
Day Of The Dead

Magician Among The Spirits:
Come Down
It Could Be Anyone
Magician Among The Spirits
Welcome
Lady Boy

Hologram Of Baal:
Ricochet
No Certainty Attached
Another Earth
Louisiana

After Everything Now This:
The Awful Ache
Chromium
Night Friends
Numbers

Parallel Universe: no picks

Forget Yourself: no picks

Uninvited Like The Clouds:
Block
Easy
Day 5

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Forget Yourself: no picks

There is something incredibly wrong with that. Add "Sealine" and "The Theatre And Its Double"

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for those recommendations. I should've written "no picks from sources consulted", not because there was nothing to pick.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

[i] Child In Time [i]

I really would like to hear it!

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Enjoying El Momento Siguiente here -- really like the reworking of "Reptile." It occurs to me that if they did a third one of these (and I see no reason why not so long as it keeps with their generally healthy and hyperactive release schedule these days) then a complete reworking of Priest = Aura, which hasn't been touched yet, would be mindblowing.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Lordy, lordy. *Takes Deep Breath* That is a very intense concept.

There's only one track I really like on Forget Yourself, "Lay Low" I think. But I also seem to recall a good Koppes track on that, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...

Bimble, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I'm new to this Church thing called El Momento Siguiente - but I did order it and I'm hearing one song now called "All I Know" and it sounds fookin' great.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what album is amazing? magician among the spirits, the original with the cockney rebels cover. it's like their response to jehovahkill, it's fantastic.

f. hazel, Sunday, 18 March 2007 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. I don't know how I found the will to finally do this. But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". You can rag on the lyrics all you like, it's still a better tune than anything on the album up until that point. I will continue to try to find more worth in this thing just for the hell of it, but man. If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait! "Authority" is also very good...definitely a fave off this one.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...


That would be Hanging Out In Heaven

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yet ANOTHER album worth seeking out is the Isidore album with Kilbey and Jeffrey Cain from Remy Zero (I know I know, just ignore that part). It reminds me of some of the tracks from The Slow Crack and the Re-Formation.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.


The reworked version of "Day Of The Dead" that they were playing live in the late-90s is pretty spectacular. If they do a reverse-version of the El Momento albums with the moody stuff retooled into full-out electric band versions...

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. [...] But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". [...]"Authority" is also very good

"Business Woman" and "Authority" weren't supposed to be on Sometime Anywhere! Those spots in the running order were originally "Cut In Two" and "The Time Being" but the record company fiddled with it. They're still great songs, I especially love "Authority".

I think the strongest period for The Church was between Priest=Aura and Hologram of Baal, with Sometime Anywhere/Somewhere Else being their very best.

f. hazel, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the original with the cockney rebels cover

Of course you mean the Cockney Rebel cover. And I credit the Church with being at least 50% responsible for getting me into Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel later that year. I really owe them a lot for that. I remember willingly driving 2 hours to go buy the first couple of Steve Harley albums on vinyl. There was literally no other alternative in those days.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Also remember their drummer still plays with Kate Bush.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

heh, i keep thinking of the cockney rejects whenever i try and say cockney rebel!

f. hazel, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Then there is Mimesis.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Holy toledo of god, I think this El Momento Descuidado thing has really flipped my lid. When they do these old songs like Unguarded Moment I can't figure out if they're being flippant and playing a hilarious joke on me or if they're deadly serious. And what are these other songs I don't recognize, like "0408" and "November"?

I'm also realizing this isn't the same album Ned was talking about. Descuidado is not the same as Siguiente. And there's no Reptile on here, either. SIGH. I feel so far behind...

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"Constant in Opal" has been one of my no.1 jams this past week.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"A New Season" ARRRRGGGH!!! That is one of my FAVE KOPPES TUNES! YES!

Okay hell with Amazon. I'm going to the shop tomorrow in search of this Siguiente thing.

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

el momento siguiente has only been out since january... you're not that far behind! i'm still on hologram of baal!

it's like the church is a video game.

f. hazel, Sunday, 25 March 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahah...well you see my excuse is that After Everything Now This or whatever it was called was so disappointing that I couldn't have given a rat's ass about them for at least a few years had passed. Anyway it doesn't matter now because this shit is even better than whatever the name of that thing was that they released in 2006. Which is saying a lot.

I have officially reunited with a long time favourite band after 9 years and I am HAPPY!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) Let the angels play their harps! Heaven can't be far from here!

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, where's Tim Finney, damnit? Isn't that his name? You know the Tim I mean, where is he?

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the version of Reptile on Siguiente kicks arse. ooooh YEAH.

I think Tom Waits could take some pointers from that. Unbelievable.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this version of Tantalized?? It's like they decided to do Tomorrow Never Knows, sortof. I am floored. I have been floored.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I highly recommend eating curry while listening to that.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this "Song In The Afternoon"? God have they sounded that good? In the last ten years? Really? WHEN?

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're telling me "Bordello" is an original? Not a cover? Is it? Is it a cover?? I don't have the CD in the post yet, it's on its way to me so I can't check the credits. Is that a cover or what???

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

When they do these old songs like Unguarded Moment I can't figure out if they're being flippant and playing a hilarious joke on me or if they're deadly serious.


Obviously, the answer is YES

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bordello" is a new song

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay now wait a minute here - is "0408" off Descuidado the best thing they've ever done in their entire career, or...? I mean I realize there's some stiff competition on these two albums but holy...

I've got a taste for the Church crack, man. Siguiente and Descuidado. Not perrfect, but damn near shy of it.

Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Puurfekt

Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Are we talking pre or post Performa-Fog?

Jamesy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

Kilbey's blog is really exceptional this time, I think with this Bardo entry:

http://stevekilbey.blogspot.com/

Bimble, Saturday, 7 July 2007 05:53 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Okay I'm tired of being virtually the only one who wants to talk about the two El Momento discs, El Momento Descuidado & El Momento Siguiente. I honestly do not think they have been this good since Hologram of Baal, freaking 9 years ago, bless their hearts. But I admit the discs are spotty so I have made a comp. of my fave tracks:

1. Wide Open Road (I love how he goes "NOW! You can go anywhere..." it's the perfect romantic heartbreak song, that thing of being in the now and facing a future even though you're stuck painfully in the past)

2. 0408 (I like this one almost as much as "Invisible"...the piano is killer and the acoustic guitar riff is nearly as infectious as "Invisible"'s)

3. That new version of Reptile (oh my god that little scat vocal thing he does at the end is priceless! And the fact that he starts it off with a HISSSS like a snake is fucking classic on top of it)

4. November

5. Chromium (some nice falsetto work from Marty)

6. Song In The Afternoon (this one's pretty hypnotizing, I must say)

7. A New Season (better than the original? maybe not, but damn close)

8. Appalatia

9. Bordello (god, this one is weird, have they ever sounded *that* rock and roll before?? That is some bad ass shit, you half expect Steve to start wearing spandex and rock star sunglasses)

10. Tristesse (every bit as enjoyable as the original, I think)

11. Invisible (my favourite of the lot and a riff that has a tendency to go around and around in my brain incessantly)

12. NSEW (North, South, East, West)(nah, not as good as the original, but it's interesting to hear the lyics clearly)

13. Between Mirages

14. Comeuppance

One complaint with these two discs: the version of Grind pales in comparison to the "Acoustic Version" found on the Terra Nova Cain U.S. promo 12". Uh..available on the internet like everything else.

Bimble, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 05:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Bimble - thanks for this, I find these sorts of things very, very helpful. Mostly because I'm too lazy to figure out my own comp! Excellent mix - 7 tracks from each volume, half new and half rerecordings.

So I just finished listening and it's quite fine. 0408 is clearly a standout as is Bordello and Song In The Afternoon. Wide Open Road is a cover - one of the finest songs from Weddings Parties Anything. Not sure about Reptile, though - the original is such a MONSTER that this new version is interesting but desperately missing the soundscape of the original. Agree that Invisible is greatly enhanced, though, with NSEW also benefiting from this treatment.

Meanwhile I'm loving the post-Starfish comp I made (listed unthread with some alterations).

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Wide Open Road is a cover - one of the finest songs from Weddings Parties Anything

"Wide Open Road" was done by the Triffids originally. WPA also covered it.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 July 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link


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