The Associates: Have the years been kind?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (393 of them)
That reminds me of my incoherent attempts to get some young shavers at a FAP to listen to the Associates - a task in which I was manfully supported by Mr. Ned Raggett!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuckin' hell, dude, at NO point did I connect you with being Dadaismus. I am glad to get that all straight in my mind. (The young shavers were the inestimable tissp! and his bandmate/close friend Chris at the toned-down Trig Brother FAP.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You probably thought I was just some drunken Scotsman wondered in off the street to harangue hapless strangers about the Associates - it happens all the time round these parts

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Cheers.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

That's fucking brilliant!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
It's been an Associates morning.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Associates = 10cc = you had to be there

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"No, I'm Not in Love."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

18 carat love affair

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

That would have made a fantastic cover if he'd done it in the style of No.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I reckon Scott Walker should cover some Associates tracks

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Billy MacKenzie sounds like the guy in The Darkness

dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Well of course. They're both Sparks fans! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I must warn you that Neil Hannon has covered 'Party fears two' on his new record. It is as bad as you might imagine.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh dear god. I have the creeping horrors.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a TOTP 2 repeat on cable last week with their appearance for 'Club Country.

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 8 June 2006 08:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd love to see Girls Aloud covering "Party Fears Two."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 June 2006 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like the new Divine Comedy record but yes, Party Fears Two is a mistake and they shouldn't have bothered.

mms (mms), Thursday, 8 June 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The music still sounds as 1982 as it did in 1982. Which is not a bad thing considering stuff sounded a lot better in 1982 than it does now.

That voice is still annoying as fuck though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill E MacKenzie was a noisy dog whistler not a singer. He could have been super as star but he was nuts loco. Luckily he dead decease before he could torture innocence ears with his amelodic warbles.

Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I just got AP and Sulk and man, I kinda wish I hadn't. They just don't grab me right, and they make me want to listen to the Sparks instead... I got 'em on the same day that I got two Comsat Angels cds, and I'm much prefering CA...

js (honestengine), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

... you need your ears syringed

Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

JS, I love you (being both a Sparks and Comsats fiend myself), but you are wrong. And yet I say this in the spirit of 'give it a few plays and it will sink in' -- this was my experience when I first heard them many years ago.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Since this has come up again, let me say (again) just how amazing the demos album 'Double Hipness' is.

Listening to this now and indeed, I keep forgetting how enjoyable this is -- the later demos from the aborted reunion are too stiff by half but otherwise all the earliest demos (Mackenize, Rankine and hired backing band) plus a dozen or so from the 'classic' lineup with Dempsey on bass are total treats. The earliest ones are great for being such obvious Sparks knockoffs, but fantastic nonetheless.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(I'll give one big exception for the late demos -- "(At the) Edge of the World" is sweeping, beautiful and strangely sweet, like "The Rhythm Divine" but with a gentler feel.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how the Double Hipness version of 18 Carat Love Affair answers the age-old question, what if the Associates were actually Orange Juice or Haircut 100, but from america in the 50s.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I won't sell 'em... Hopefully I'll learn to like 'em more. For now though they're at the bottom of the stack...

js (honestengine), Friday, 9 June 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

This revive inspired me to order (finally!) the Fourth Drawer Down reissue. Just thought I'd share. : )

David Bachyrycz (David Bachyrycz), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

fantastic. heart stuutering life yessing swoooooningly fantastic.

alicer (alicereed), Saturday, 10 June 2006 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

have there been any plans to reissue Outernational? haven't seen it on eBay, haven't seen it on S1sk, &c&c&c - w/Thomas Fehlmann's involvement I thought it'd be more readily available than it currently appears to be . . .

etc (esskay), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Last year there were a series of firm, on the level announcements from the Mackenzie estate that both that and Wild and Lonely were going to get the full-on treatment, to bring them in line with all the other reissues. Supposedly they were going to be due by the end of 2005. But then no word surfaced, and the situation remains unchanged.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

...and what do you know! Just posted on the Associates list today from Jude from the estate -- release date for both Wild and Outernational will be August 7. No word yet as to whether this will be a double CD package like Glamour/Perhaps.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 June 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

ooooer! thanks, ned!
(also: di/lucylurex to thread!)

etc (esskay), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

God I love this band. Billy M was an uber singer... 4th draw down especially is a lost treasure of post-punk kraut-glam wonders. Rapturous and ecstatic and dark in all the right places- it is grotesque the kinds of new romantic non-entities who triumphed whilst their own anti-careerist attitudes acted to undermine any possible success...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The first two albums are wonderful, but frustrating. I wish there'd been space for one more album between Fourth Drawer Down and Sulk that would've been a coherent, streamlined summation of "everything before Sulk." As it stands, they have two albums with great ideas, and then one amazing album with a nearly-unrelated set of great ideas.

I haven't heard anything after Sulk, though Waiting For The Love Boat is alright. I think. I can't really remember it very well, to be honest. Should I look into it?

Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Notice teh FOPP is currently selling double packs of "Fourth Drawer Down" and "Sulk" for £5

Il mio nome e' Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 June 2006 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Good lord, anyone who doesn't take advantage of that deal is insane.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

More YouTubeness:

"Skipping" from that Friday Night Saturday Morning show

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 June 2006 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

In a 'I completely missed this' move on my part, turns out I had somehow blanked out on the various mentions in interviews at the time from Robert Smith that the Cure's "Cut Here" from 2001 is in fact a full-on tribute to Billy M. More details here -- and here's the video, which I admit I'd never caught before either! So much for pretending I'm a Cure obsessive!

The Creatures did a similar tribute with "Say" -- and knowing Siouxsie, she probably complained about how Robert ripped her off again. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Meantime, here's more from Jude about the reissues:

We owe a debt of gratitude to Nigel Reeve at EMI (who, as it turns
out, also looks after Bowie's reissues), who, once he'd made his mind
up to go with the reissues, spared no expense and cut no corners.
Remastered on the very Abbey Road desk that was built by Mike
Batchelor for the original "Dark Side of the Moon" sessions... it was
quite an experience... No one was in this for anything other than
love. Becky, who has done the artwork "remastering" even dug out some
old Associates magazine articles that she'd kept since the early 80s,
proving that she was anything but a mere hired hand.

For myself, the real triumph is that I honestly believe that the
original CD masters never even came close to reproducing the sound of
the mix tapes, basically meaning that other than Billy, Julian
Mendelson, and very few others (probably including Blair), none of us
were actually hearing these albums in their full glory. This has now
been rectified with bells on.

It is unlikely that any of Billy's work will ever be reissued in any
physical format ever again, the future of music archiving is almost
certainly downloading. This made it all the more important to get
these albums out there in the sound quality that will henceforth
always be available in. Anything less would have been less than they
deserve.

I've said it before, but I cannot wait for you guys to hear Wild &
Lonely. At the moment you only think you know it. It'll knock your
socks off... I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it...

Thank you all. Again.

Jude

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Cheers to Billy Dods for this:

TOTP performance of "Club Country"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 June 2006 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

At last. :-)

Meantime, I finally picked up Holger Hiller's Oben Im Eck, which I know Momus praised as containing Billy M.'s best thing ever, "Whippets," IIRC (though I can't seem to find the comment on this thread). It really *is* something bizarrely wonderful, and for the first time the idea of him as a proto-Bjork makes total sense in terms of sheer 'WTF.' And the fact that he named it after/wrote it about his 'spirit animal,' as the bio put it, makes it even better!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 July 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

(Though I might like the title track even more; if anything it suggests the completely gone/still perversely pretty art exhibition equivalent to his version of Die Zwei's "Country Boy." It's really a pity he and Hiller didn't do more together!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 July 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
thanks for the "whippets" tip-off, ned!

also - just picked up the "club country" 12" - fuck, had no idea there was an extended version! though, just looking now, it was mentioned upthread. if if if only the latin rascals had been around!

etc (esskay), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The reissues of Wild and Lonely and Outernational are both treats, though I still haven't fully come around to the former yet. Still, I'm more kindly inclined towards it than before.

Meantime another YouTube treat -- "White Car in Germany" on Dutch TV in 1982.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9lqh0Dwho

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Nice piece in today's Grauniad - now, how often do I say that?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 27 April 2007 08:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Found a couple of useful links. The DVD looks quite something.

http://associatestracks.blogspot.com/ loads of obscure live stuff

Fan created DVD

Billy Dods, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link

'Grecian 2000' sounded amazin' on my ipod yesterday.

blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.