― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not Britpop. But the rave culture was.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh . . . I thought Jerry was talking about something different:(
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
The other thing that the whole Britcentric attitude threw up was that unbelievably exciting moment in late 1996 and 97 when it looked like the Prodigy and the Chemical Brothers and Orbital and Underworld and Leftfield and Goldie and The Orb and the rest of them were all going to go overground on a major scale in the US, which now seems a bit silly and naive but I still treasure that feeling that something was about to happen. It's weird that a lot of the Britpop-bashing ravers tend to overlook that nowadays when they highlighting the failure of Oasis or Blur to make much of an impact on the US.
What do I know anyway... I hated nine-tenths of Britpop and was into the Afghan Whigs and Sebadoh at the time anyway.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Then again, yer basic teen pop never really went away; Take That and Boyzone were massive all the way through Britpop - and don't forget that both "Common People" and "Wonderwall" were kept off number one by the Waterman-produced, Cowell-managed Robson and Jerome.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Gareth is correct: 'London scene 1990s' != Britpop. He is correct as well to see Britpop as a rejection of 1988-1993, as much as a continuation.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
Who cares? How snobby and elitist can you get? I know nothing of the bands you mention - but big fucking deal.''
well I think most ppl who were into britpop were 13-17, say.
Everyone when they get into music starts buying pop, which would include britpop at that time but it is not snobbish to go and buy some TG recs and prefer that to say, oasis or sleeper.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
and they've managed to make a couple of decent singles so ADF wins!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― KATE, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY LETS NOT GO THERE!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
They are the worst kind of reactionary politics IMO.
― calum, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
I would take an ADF interview any day!
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David Gunnip, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
(a) Skiffle was over by 1958.(b) No skiffle = no Britpop (from Cliff/Shadows/Beatles onwards). An absurd and ridiculous statement.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― calum, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
well I can't remember that anything they said could be 'racist' but I'll pull out a couple of the old NMEs and check (I prob won't do this actually).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
plur!!
PLUR!!!!!!!!1!
do you see!!1
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's important to highlight the connection between the British/London riot grrrl scene and Britpop. When Blow Up (then Londinium) first started the main attendees were members of Comet Gain and Huggy Bear. Paul Tunkin would always play Stereolab's "Ping Pong" and JSBX "Afro" at the club, nowhere else in London would do this. I started going there with a mate of mine who eventually formed Menswear, he also used to attend lots of riot grrrl gigs with me. The original Menswear was a 4 piece, their drummer at the time now drums for The Beatings via Heck and a few other bands whose names escape me. All of them, except for my mate, came from Southend, they went religously to The Pink Toothbrush in Raeliegh and saw tonnes of great bands play there. They weren't clueless fuckwits (well, maybe Chris was).
Suzy seems like she was right up there with the head scenesters, I on the other hand have never been. But I've been at the right places at the right time.
They're overlooked but Smash were a very important bridge between Riot Grrrl and Britpop. You have to realise, for a year or so before 1994/5, there was no indie, just bland pacific northwest inspired metal like Alice in Chains. Seeing Smash play for the first time at The Monarch was one of the most exciting things in my life (at that time).They ignited sparks for everybody that being political, being British, providing your audience, this was so important but nobody did it. TNWOTNW was quite a limp scene, it never took off but I'll stand by it, no Smash = no Britpop. You could say, No riot grrrl = no NWOTNW = no Britpop.
On the dance music side of thing, lots of people were going to Megadog at a pub in Seven Sisters (can't recall it's name) and The North London Polytechnic. I'm not sure how many of these people were also going to Blow Up, Smashing or Fantasy Ashtray but I couldn't have been the only one. London was a million times more exciting a decade ago than it is now, everything going on now, in my opinion, just seems derivative of that moment in time.
I liked The Heavenly Sunday Social, it was like the grand celebration for a clique of people who'd been broad minded and gone out of their way to experience different aspects of London. It was the first place I'd ever been to were you could have a chat at the bar to a guy wearing a Pastels t-shirt whilst a DJ was playing Masters at Work. That seems like nothing out of the ordinary now but back then it was mind-blowing, like there's loads of musically broadminded people out there and they all seem to have decided to come here.
Then the drugs kicked in and people suddenly seemed to care more about how much they earned and what they could spunk their money on rather than the music.
But shit, nothing will beat hearing "Cigarettes and Alcohol" being played at The Albany for the last Sunday Social, it was amazing. As with any scene, the build up was fantastic and I doubt the film will cover that because there was no scene to categorise at that time, just satellites that converged into one horrible monster.
― Stephen Burrows (steveeeeeeeee), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm sure they mean well, but having a rant at Britney for not being poitical enough is beyond silly.
― calum, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
hahahaha!!!!!!!
this thread is a gift!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Genevieve, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah, cheers Gareth, it turned into The Powerhaus for a bit after the one in Angel shut down. Saw The Make Up and The New Bad Things play there but not much else.
― Stephen Burrows (steveeeeeeeee), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ohh I never liked SMASH or These Animal Men. No matter what they said were still too much like Camden Lurchers for me.
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link