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The only real problem with Christgau is that 10 other critics didn't have the intestinal fortitude to embark on the same lifelong listen-to-everything-that-matters quest that he did back in 1970

His "work" illustrates the perils inherent in doing that, as evinced by the fact that he has come to the wrong conclusion about nearly every record he has "listened" to.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

And let's not even mention that lovely little "pay us for the privilege of writing for us" email he circulated to J&P voters a while back.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

He was pretty fucking on with the Daft Punk and Avalanches albums. That I disagree with him occassionaly is to be expected, but I disagree with all sorts of people.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

NO YOU MUST ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH XGAU OR ELSE YOUR CRED IS SHOT, HOW ELSE WILL PEOPLE KNOW YOU ARE A REBELLIOUS INTERNET MUSIC GUY

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

And let's not even mention that lovely little "pay us for the privilege of writing for us" email he circulated to J&P voters a while back.

you mean the one where he told everyone that if their comments appeared online they wouldn't be paid, so tell him right now if they don't want their comments appearing online and therefore not getting paid, which he would completely understand? that one?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

MATOS STOP APOLOGIZING FOR XGAU, HE IS THE SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC OF MUSIC "CRITICISM"

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I say that as someone who thanks Ian Curtis for making New Order possible

god, I love that line.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

he does have funny one-liners

― latebloomer: band to the planet mars (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

hes a good person to read when you agree with him, but when you don't its like..."GODDAMN YOU FUCKING ANCIENT CORNY BOOMER HIPPY FUXOR!"

― latebloomer: band to the planet mars (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

if that review was a fancy way of saying funkadelic lets their songs ramble on way too much and are unfocused and way more boring than people admit, then he's right.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I never know if I agree with him or not.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Latebloomer— Yeah, but I have that reaction (or a similar one) to everyone. When Simon Reynolds is right on about some random synthpop, I nod and say "This guy has a lot going for him." When he's wanking about some bullshit, I just think "Sure, everything sounds great on E, moron." The only place where I generally feel revulsion even when I agree is Pitchfork, because it bothers the shit out of my inner copy editing Nazi ("That review could have been seven words and still made the same point"). But that's a clichéd complaint about Pfork by now anyway, so I just don't bother.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

When he's wanking about some bullshit, I just think "Sure, everything sounds great on E, moron."

I think this mindless statement says more about YOU and your lack of critical judgment than it does about your "criticism" of other critics on this thread.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

touchy, touchy

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Geeta: It's OK. Simon Reynolds will recover from my absent-minded dismissal of his taste when I disagree with him. Or are you one of those who still believes everything played at a rave was great music?

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, i've been posting to ILM for six years, and i only recently started posting again after a long absence. now i realize why people kept telling me this place was going down the tubes. five years ago, if you posted something on ILM that showed evidence that you weren't thinking, you would get called on it--someone would question you about your pat, wrongheaded assumptions, and challenge you to think harder. now people here just let things slide. i say it's time to go back to the old way of doing things.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

rock is back geeta

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3416/easyriderc100346269jm.jpg

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"people"

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"things"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i say we all don capes and masks and go kick some ass!

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd do that but I post under my real name

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, that's sort of what posting here is like, right? anon names and all

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Arf, Geeta, I think close study of the achives might even reveal an actual specific day where everyone was all like "fuck it, where do I even begin" and then we all went out for ice cream instead.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

kick some gluteus max

― latebloomer: band to the planet mars (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, well where's MY fucking ice cream?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

why are we here?
because we're here

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I want spumoni!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Jonathan Richman to thread!

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: Dove Bars vs. Klondike Bars

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The word "spumoni" still always sounds to me like something Dan Savage should be writing about.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"a combination of spooning and moaning"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the older i get, the more i appreciate christgau. albums i loved that he dissed when i was a young buck, i now realize he was right about more often than not. he just has a relentless nose for bullshit.

and his nose doesn't fail him w/r/t aerial

― old man, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Spumoni [Naples, 14th Century]
"Pistachios"; "Whipped Cream" http://robertchristgau.com/icon/s2.gif

― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

some of you would be wise to lay off the ice cream/spumoni

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

A|ex P@reene I kiss u

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Spumoni in the middle, in the middle
(Where she at?)

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

some of you would be wise to lay off the ice cream/spumoni

some of you would be wise to lay off posting to ILM entirely, as you can't seem to do anything besides post caustic, lame one-liners

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm as God made me, geeta.

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

and ha ha nabisco yeah i'm already almost ready to throw in the towel! i'm off to go get coffee.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

geeta remember jess' rule: "why am i arguing with someone named 'timmy tannin' over the internet!?"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure it's irrelevant, but I still roffle in my mind at whoever said that thing about being able to recognize an old thread by the presence of teh pinefox and AllyZ going on about Richie Manic. I guess I arrived too late for the days of the Organic Society but hey- who doesn't?

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha sterl you're right. i'm going to go right back to what i was doing before i saw this thread--popping e's and listening to the crazy rave music.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Asserting old-timer status on message board: Classic!

And ol' Christgau still gets suckered just as often as the rest of us. See his constant love for SK.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

geeta, I think I ate lunch somewhere a few weeks ago, maybe in Brooklyn, that had your Time Out review in the window. Is this possible? Is that in your bailiwick?

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

2002 seems so long ago.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yo ken l--i don't write for time out! i used to review bars for the village voice, though--was it a bar? and i used to write about shopping for new york magazine's website, if it happened to be a shop.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

timmy tannin ain't a name, it's an ACTION, brah!

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

those action brahs are always getting into all kinds of shenanagins

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

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