HP Lovecraft - Classic Or Dud?

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while he obviously thought black people were more closely related to apes that whites, in doing so he admits he has the same origins and they fall between.

And this makes him different from the racists of his era how?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

It doesn't.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

What an unbelievably vile human being. Interesting that Houellebecq is so obsessed with him; it makes for a sort of bizarre cadre of "literary heroes" for that guy e.g. Agatha Christe, HP Lovecraft, and Aldous Huxley, quite the combo.

vingt regards (vignt_regards), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep in mind that I think there's an obvious sort of callback being done by Houellebecq vis-a-vis Baudelaire and Poe. (I can't recall if he says as much in the essay.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

What an unbelievably vile human being.

no, he wasn't an unbelieveably vile human being. Political leaders are vile, not this guy. This guy was just an antiquated tightass from New England who was fucking neurotic and was able to channel his imagination into these weird stories.

My take is that Houellebecq is right on when he writes about HPL "failing at life."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep in mind that I think there's an obvious sort of callback being done by Houellebecq vis-a-vis Baudelaire and Poe. (I can't recall if he says as much in the essay.)

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), Today 3:52 PM. (Ned) (later)

he ain't no houllebecq girl

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

excelsior syndrome

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yes :(

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

So he was a little behind the times. in the 1920s i'm sure many grumpy white people would have acted similarly. is this good? No. Would he have felt more comfortable in the south? If people had...thoughts there.
Doesn't make him less of a writer. His WRITING is what lives on, and his views on who should be allowed around who are rarely involved in his stories.
The man is dead. His work is really all that lives on.
As a writer, he was fantastic. Repetetive in structure, but the substance contained builds a world that's both fascinating and holds continuity well! So many stories, so many years, and the continuity holds up!

You have me on H.G. Wells, but his writing style is different from the what really became what is now called 'speculative fiction.'
The more pulp fiction style, writting with fascination, amazement, etc.
I always found H.G. Wells to lack feeling, and be more of a drawn out 'what if.'

This is all a matter of tastes, in any case.

Would I have hung out with him? No.
Would I have exchanged letters? probably.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

http://movies.ign.com/articles/739/739225p1.html

October 18, 2006 - Guillermo del Toro is gearing up to shoot Hellboy 2: The Golden Army in January, but he's already planning his next project after that. In a chat with IGN, the fan favorite director revealed that his long-developing adaptation of HP Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness might be next on his schedule.

"Mountains of Madness, which is a project I've had for several years, if it comes to fruition I'd rather do that immediately while the iron is hot," del Toro says. "But it all depends on so many factors — creative, personal — that every time I predict what I'm going to do next, I fail."

Details on when/how/if the project is going to happen are sketchy, but del Toro has a clear idea of how he will portray the classic horror tale on screen, and he says it will definitely be a studio picture. Adapting Lovecraft's unique style to the movies has proven to be a difficult undertaking for filmmakers in the past, but the helmer says that he's enhanced At the Mountains of Madness' story (about an expedition to Antarctica that turns creepy fast) so that it will work on screen.

"The albino penguins, the gigantic city… The hard thing about that novel is it's very much a record of an expedition, so the narrative is brilliant in that it's a little bit dry but it's not character-based," he says. "There are many characters that you don't know — you don't even know who the hell the expedition is [made up of] until you have it referenced in another book of Lovecraft's."

Fleshing out those characters will be key to making the film work, he explains.

"You need to create the character dynamics and the arc of the story, which is not in the book," says del Toro. "Also, the horror in the book is only ambiguous and it's kept open at the end. And you can still capture that atmosphere, but then you have to take it and go to a climax [in the movie]. Which in the book is really a climax by almost using negative space in the narrative; it's what you don't see that makes it. That essentially goes against the very essence of show business, because you don't show anything. I think that what we're doing is good and it's as good as we can [do when] adapting Lovecraft. But it's a project that's been with us for several years now. It's not an easy project to set up."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

This guy was just an antiquated tightass from New England who was fucking neurotic and was able to channel his imagination into these weird stories.

one documentary I heard about him pointed out certain ambiguities in HPL's creepy racist vision - that his actual commitment to racism was weak, in that it could collapse when he was brought face to face with the object of his fear and loathing. So he rants away about TEH JEW and then marries a Jewish woman. However, he did seem to externalise problems in his own life by positioning them on non-WASP types. There is some amazingly racist rant about the degenerate races infesting New York that he sent to a pal when his attempt to earn a living there (as a repo man) came to naught.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, looking foward to that film!

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish they would make a film about HPL being a repo man.

BTW, if you want a cheap laugh, see if you can find a copy of the job application letters he was sending out when he was in New York looking for work.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Fingers crossed that there will be a good Lovecraft film made in my lifetime.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

racist rant about the degenerate races infesting New York
see: "the horror at red hook"

bell labs (bell_labs), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish they would make a film about HPL being a repo man.

"A repo man's life is always...squamous."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

"What about our relationship?"

"I do not know of this 'relationship' you speak of."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno, my favorite story that i don't think has been mentioned yet is "the dream in the witch house" ...it has it all. rat-like creature with an alarmingly human face, shocking ending AFTER the climax where his stories usually just taper off, baby sacrifice, IT HAS EVERYTHING.

bell labs (bell_labs), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Fingers crossed that there will be a good Lovecraft film made in my lifetime.

I can answer this one. There were three just in the last year or two:

(1) Some guys in L.A. made an excellent period adaption of CoC. Silent, B&W.

http://www.cthulhulives.org/store/images/CoCDVDfront.gif


(2) Also, a short film called Experiment 17. A fake docu about what happened when the Wehrmacht found a copy of the Necromicon after they raided the Bibliotheque Nationale.

(3) Late Bloomer, a short based on Clay McLoed Chapman's monologue where a 7th grade sex-ed class goes insane after learning forbidden knowledge.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, they're trying to get Del Toro to come to the HPL Film Festival in portland next year, but his schedule is insane and he probably won't make it.

However, John Carpenter and Peter Straub are already confirmed, so this is gunna be fun.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

There's this one coming out as well:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478126/

It has Tori Spelling in it.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Mother, May I Sleep With Yog-Sothoth?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched the silent CoC last night, and it is indeed great.

Unless The GZeus is younger than 5, it's almost certain that Stuart Gordon's Dagon came out in his lifetime as well. Bryan Moore's take on Cool Air is pretty damn good, as is Christian Matzke's Nyarlathotep (and his Imperfect Solution).

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

And Re-Animator.

There's a festival every year in portland about this:

http://www.hplfilmfestival.com/

I've volunteered there this year & last. The guy who run it also operates Lurker Films, which specializes in HPL adaptations and other weird stories.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Christian Matzke is a really nice guy, too. He & his fiancee make all their films in Maine where they live.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"Molded by the dead brain of a hybrid nightmare" = ILX

not so un-nameable after all!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll really need to get to Portland one year. Or even spend some time following the links to the shorts - I take the easy way out and wait for Lurker to do the selection for me.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Yeah, the filmmakers brought footage of the Cthulhu flick in progress to the festival last night. I think they're still working on it in Astoria.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mother, May I Sleep With Yog-Sothoth?

ha ha

they had an adaptation of "Dream of the Witch House" in that Masters of terror thing. It was OK

Mark Co (Markco), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I got to meet Stuart Gordon(the direct of that Witch House thing) last year. As with most of these folks, he's a really nice guy. They worked out a deal with Showtime where they could show the film a few weeks before it debuted on the air.

I kinda wish that more of thoes Master of Horror thing had a standalone appeal, like the "Homecoming" ep(zombie vets from Iraq return to vote).

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

thought that series was v hit and miss - the zombie one was a bit too obvious and preachy for my taste, even though i totally agreed with its aims.

Mark Co (Markco), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i got to meet Patti Smith at last year's HPLFF:

http://myspace-358.vo.llnwd.net/00280/85/36/280096358_l.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

There was an entertaining adaptation of "TEH SHADOWE OVER TEH INNSMOUTH" a year or two back, set in Spain for no good reason. The best bit is when the locals are shambling to the hotel the protagonist is holed up in.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Any given afternoon in Spain, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

the silent COC is a treat.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Excelsior syndrome again, S.?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

DV, that's the Stuart Gordon Dagon flick I mentioned, unless I'm very much mistaken.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

hahah ned.

seriously though... i liked it a lot, it's really in the spirit of hpl.

i'm enjoying this luc sante article! it made me LOL!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the Sante article is a good one, finally got around to it last night.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

here we go: Experiment 17: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI0M4xRwbs8

and Ryleh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYrQRcy45RQ

an animated short from france

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

RIDICULOUSLY LOVECRAFTIAN PHOTO ALERT:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1161188217/img/1.jpg

Full story here.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

best photo ever

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

it has begun

Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link

the Spice must flow

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, saw that the other day -- great, great photo.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Arrggh, that octopus has the face of a walrus. Scary shit.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

who among us does not eat clams in like fashion

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Non-Euclidean clam eating.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Oddest euphemism yet

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link


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