tracer otm
― jergïns, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Insightful- He's good, but he doesn't transcend the sport or anything. Plus he strikes out a lot. He could play for my team anytime, but I don't think he's worthy of any type of worship. What's he got, one ring?
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
vladimir
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE:
dudes who are repping his fielding/arm should look at the last 3 years. vlad's 2007 HR total was a career low.
― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Plus, didn't he fuck up their playoff series somehow?
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
guys i think what tracer's trying to say is: vladimir guerrero
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.superphotospace.com/images/thumb/vida_guerra_king_big_460d402694049-t.jpg
― and what, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
vladimir guerrero
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
im in class right now but later i will post a youtube of the throw of him gunning cliff floyd at home from the warning track
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
he's no dave parker
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
guerrero
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
vlad
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
HOF, first ballot
not quite yet, i don't think
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
v
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
for vladetta
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
if everyone wore vlad masks on guy fawkes day, it would be much better.
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
my brother and i used to talk about how cool it would be to see vladdy pitch for an inning. irl he would probably blow out his arm but i think from the mound he could throw like 105+
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
also i can't find that throw on youtube but i've got this:
"He's a mutant!" - Scott Stuart (after seeing Vladimir Guerrero throw out a runner at third from the Olympic Stadium warning track on a 1-hop bullet) on ESPN's SportCenter
The July 2006 issue of Playboy featured the first formal nude photos of Guerrero. Part of his motivation for posing for the magazine, his said, was the camera phone incident; he wanted people to see what he really looked like naked.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~cxw8679/Vlad
― bnw, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Now I get the point of the thread. D'oh!
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
What's he got, one ring?
and Luis Sojo has 3 or 4, so your point?
Similar Batters through Age 31
Willie Mays (907) * Frank Robinson (891) * Duke Snider (876) * Manny Ramirez (874) Juan Gonzalez (871) Hank Aaron (869) * Mickey Mantle (843) * Ken Griffey (839) Goose Goslin (837) * Al Simmons (831) *
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
HOF Standards: Batting - 48.7 (Average HOFer ≈ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 174.0 (Likely HOFer > 100)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
The One Ring was created by the Dark Lord Sauron during the Second Age in order to gain dominion over the free peoples of Middle-earth. In disguise as Annatar, or "Lord of Gifts", he aided the Elven smiths of Eregion and their leader Celebrimbor in the making of the Rings of Power. He then forged the One Ring himself in the fires of Mount Doom. He intended it to be the most powerful of all Rings, able to rule and control the others (as long as their owners wore them). Since the other Rings were extremely powerful, Sauron was obliged to place most of his native power, life force and will into it to effect his purpose. there were certain pros & cons to this. The pros was that as long as the Ring existed, it was literally quite impossible to remove him from the mortal plane. On the other hand, the cons that the Ring possessed was that if he were to lose the Ring, he would also lose a great deal of his own power (when it was cut off from his hand, he lost/forsook a physical body for at least another 2500 years), and if the Ring were to be destroyed, he too would be vanquished in the process.
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
of that list i guess only igor, manny and jr. wore batting gloves
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Montreal's turf (& maybe swinging at everything w/ 150% effort) messed him up. ;_;
Also: no rings. ;_;
Also: the Angels hitters aside from Vlad kinda blow. u_u
But: vladimir guerrero!!! :D
― David R., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
LAAoA: worst team name in sports? I can't think of many worse ones. Maybe Wash'n Redskins, or FC United.
― Will M., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/VladTavares.jpg
― G00blar, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/14/4729002/vladimir-guerrero-retires-mlb
Okay...didn't realize this needed to be done.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
these days, Wladimir Balentien (sp?) is where it's at
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
one of my favorite players ever
― sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
vlad, that is
http://noontimebaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/VladGuerrero_070701_throwhome.gif
― buzza, Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link
that gif is inhuman
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
sure felt like a HOFer when he played, but man he fell off fast. still rooting for him tho, even if he has less WAR than kenny lofton
― fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
jk i'd vote for lofton too
thought about starting a thread for him, but don't wanna jump the gun yet
vlad guerrero jr, the top prospect in baseball. absolutely TEARING UP double-A ball right now -- hitting .400/.450/.650. he just turned 19
and there's this: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/video-vlad-jr-homers-twice-once-off-a-hotel/
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
i'm all for this thread. i want him to be amazing.
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link
may as well keep it on this thread anyway, maybe? if there were ilb threads back in the bobby bonds and ken griffey days it would have been fun to see them morph into the barry and griffey jr era.
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
Popular topic on the call-in shows here, obviously. According to one of them the other day, the team scouts almost unanimously say he's ready to play in the majors now, that he's not learning anything where he is. The ownership seems to have a timetable of their own. I expect he'll be up for good no later than April of next year, though.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
(Donaldson complicates the issue somewhat.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link
i'm particularly excited because not only is he amazing, but he doesn't strike out much at all
feel like they traded for gio urshela today just so they'd be able to say 'sorry we have no room for vlad jr yet'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 May 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
is he still in new hampshire? i need to get off my ass and see him and bo before they move up. i think i'm closer to manchester than i am buffalo or toronto or wherever their a-ball affiliates are (not that i need to worry about a-ball anymore!)
― challops trap house (Will M.), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Me and some friends have a plan to see him when they are playing in Erie, which is the closest place to see him play. I’m starting to think there is no way he’s still going to be in AA by the time that team will be playing there though.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
3-for-3 this morning, now batting .414 overall -- best in the minors by 35 points
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
That vid of Vlad Jr. hitting that bomb off a tee was pretty impressive. That is way harder to do than you would think.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
Motion to turn title of this thred to “ gurrero & son”
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 4 for 4 with a walk-off homer today. It is May 20, and he's hitting .423/.468/.705 at Double-A.He's barely 19 years old.And not to sound like a broken record or anything, but he belongs in the big leagues with the Toronto Blue Jays. Like, now. https://t.co/uvuhJAsxJW— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) May 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Sunday, 20 May 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
I would absolutely not bring him up this year lol
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
I thought the dome was a hitters park?
Dude has been on fire since Bichette came up.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 24 August 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link
Baseball Reference has:
Multi-year: Batting - 97, Pitching - 98One-year: Batting - 100, Pitching - 101
Seems pretty neutral...but I might not be interpreting that right.
― clemenza, Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link
he seems to have figured out how to hit at home - 267 wRC+, .563 wOBA, 1.389 OPS!!
― parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
when will he receive the clemenza seal of approval tho
― mookieproof, Monday, 17 May 2021 00:54 (two years ago) link
Hey--I'm happy! My issue all along was his seeming indifference to his weight. He did something about it, came back in much better shape, and--no coincidence, surely--he's the hitter we'd heard so much about.
― clemenza, Monday, 17 May 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link
i'm starting to think this guy might be good
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 04:57 (two years ago) link
it's weird, just knowing a guy by his stats. i've barely seen him play. not at all this year, not last year, only a bit during 2019. he's graded at 80/80 on raw power, but then you'd look at his minor league stats and see 13 HRs in 2017, 20 or so in 2018, ok. but not he's on pace for 45+ this year, while hitting .333, on base 44% of the time. O_O OK!
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 04:59 (two years ago) link
sorry, weird typos. i guess it's just cool to see him realize his power potential. it probably also helps, in a way, to be swinging against guys throwing 95+. solid contact against fast throwers = longballs
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 05:01 (two years ago) link
also, theoretically there's this thing with athletes "filling" out in their early 20s and getting stronger. personally, i have found that my body is like a coughed bird skeleton, but these are pro athletes so
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 05:19 (two years ago) link
maybe i’m cynical but i always chalked up the “filling out” to young athletes meeting “trainers” with very specific cutting edge uh nutritional regimes that dance on the edge of legality
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:39 (two years ago) link
it makes sense to be cynical when the words "a physical specimen" come up so often in baseball writing
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:56 (two years ago) link
“a UCLA product”
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 08:13 (two years ago) link
Vlad had actually dropped weight going into the season. he showed up last year a little heavier and didn't perform like people had hoped so there was some pressure there. i think it helped his fielding a lot – but with his hitting he's just stopped chasing every other pitch. i think he was way too aggressive when he came up and was wiffing on too many major league caliber pitches. i also think moving to 1B helped, kinda like with encarnacion. i feel like playing a position you are better suited for seems to make the hitting part easier.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link
A Triple Crown for Vlad is again not entirely out of reach. (It seemed so a few weeks ago). He's regained the lead in BA, is three HR behind Ohtani and five RBI behind Abreu. He's got 24 games to make that up.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
If it ever happened, a Triple Crown vs. Ohtani would be a great MVP story.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link
ohtani has been awful at the plate for the past month, I don’t think the MVP is completely wrapped up yet
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 September 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link
Yesterday Posnanski said it is, unanimous even, but I agree, Vlad still has a shot.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
Assuming he doesn't get the Triple Crown, though, he'd probably have to hit lights out in some key games, and the Jays would probably have to make the playoffs to sway some voters. (Not looking to open up that argument, but I suspect it still factors in if the vote is close.)
― clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link
Triple Crown stuff:
https://www.mlb.com/news/vladimir-guerrero-jr-triple-crown-watch-2021
Not only is Guerrero contending for an AL Triple Crown, but he also has an opportunity to become the first player in 65 years (since Mickey Mantle in 1956) to lead both the AL and NL in all three categories.
• Batting average: second in MLB (two points behind Trea Turner)• Home runs: tied for second in MLB (one behind Shohei Ohtani)• RBIs: fourth in MLB (four behind José Abreu and Salvador Perez)
― clemenza, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link
Should a mod change the name to “vladimir guerreros.”?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 10 September 2021 20:41 (two years ago) link
vladimirs guerrero imo
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 September 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
Vladimi
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link
There is only ONE Vladimir Guerreros thread
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link
Important Vladimir Guerreros.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 11 September 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link
Home runs:1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 442. Shohei Ohtani -- 443. Salvador Perez -- 42
Batting average:1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- .3192. Yuli Gurriel -- .3153. Michael Brantley -- .315
RBIs:1. José Abreu -- 1072. Salvador Perez -- 105T-3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 102T-3. Rafael Devers -- 102T-3. Teoscar Hernández -- 102
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
back off, teoscar
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 September 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
Baseball Reference WAR says two things: that one of Vladimir Guerrero's teammates was actually more valuable than Vlad was, and (2) that Carlos Correa was the best defensive player in the AL. I believe ONE of these conclusions. The other one is bat shit crazy.— Bill James Online (@billjamesonline) October 6, 2021
Doubt he'd have such strong feelings on Correa's defensive value.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
lol Vladdy hit this 427 feet pic.twitter.com/GZef4HU0y1— Andrew Mearns (@MearnsPSA) April 14, 2022
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link
Blood-Stained Hand of the Vlad
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 April 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link
The Jays radio guys were saying how remarkably similar father and son are statistically to this point in their careers (404 games going into play today).
Senior: .312/.365/.562, 87 HR, 267 RBI
Junior: .284/.364/.513, 87 HR, 250 RBI
Seeing as Sr.'s numbers were compiled from 1996 into 2000--big hitting years--you'd have to adjust those slash stats downward, so yeah, probably pretty close. As is, unadjusted, dead on in HR and OBP.
(Sr.'s OPS+ through the completion of the 2000 season--i.e., to his 418th GP, is 146; Jr.'s is presently 136.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 June 2022 04:28 (one year ago) link
They also pointed out Jr is doing this about two years younger!!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link
One of Posnanski's shareable posts:
https://joeposnanski.substack.com/p/ten-who-missed-no-10-vladimir-guerrero?r=1jtu0&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Yes, it is much, much, much too early to be talking about Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Hall of Fame. As I write these words, he’s only 23 years old and has played fewer than 400 big-league games. But maybe it’s not too early to dream about something that seems impossible — a father and a son both ending up in the Baseball Hall of Fame...But even cooler — with all due respect to the Griffeys and Bondses, the Alous and Boones, Alomars and Witts, Fielders and Bells and Biggios and Bichettes — I think the Guerreros are already the most fun father-son duo in baseball history.
― clemenza, Sunday, 19 June 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
<3
Asked in NY about off-season comments in which he said he’d never sign with the Yankees, “not even dead,” Vlad Guerrero Jr. doubled down, saying he has personal/family reasons for preferring not to play for the Yankees and would “never” change his mind— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) April 21, 2023
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 April 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link
BEST SHAPE OF HIS CAREER
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Looks incredible holy shit pic.twitter.com/XpPUb0k8Xm— Gate 14 Podcast (@Gate14Pod) February 9, 2024
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 February 2024 00:20 (two months ago) link
Looks v trim fwiw
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:29 (two months ago) link
The man absolutely has to pop-off. It's in the stars
― H.P, Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:30 (two months ago) link
.172/.276/.314. (Not his father's Sunday-beer-league line.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link
I feel like I like Vladdy more than you do, and it’s still very early! Took a long at his unqualified (cos it’s early) 24 statcast numbers.https://i.postimg.cc/KYWyN08j/IMG-8699.jpgIs he pressing? He’s smoking the ball when he’s making contact and he’s walking a lot so his eye’s still great and the chase rate is too but he’s striking out well above his normal rate - he’s not normally a high strikeout guy. The sweet spot % (basically hitting the ball with a good launch angle that gets it off the ground and more likely to find grass rather than a glove) makes me think he’s missing his spots because he’s behind and maybe it’s a timing issue?Assuming I’ve understood xwOBA correctly (I will welcome correction cos expected stats & me are not a happy match), he’s making good quality contact when he does make contact, maybe he’s just unlucky?https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/expected-woba
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:39 (one month ago) link
You probably do at this point--the closer you are, the more exasperating he can be. It was the same last year: all his advanced metrics suggested he was hitting in bad luck. All year we heard that. I'm like Jeff Blair (local radio guy) at this point: enough. (Directing that at Vlad, not you.) The thing that really changed me with regards to Vlad was learning how dispropotionately his big year was driven by those minor-league parks.
He's definitely pressing. And I'm sure he's got a few dozen people whispering in his ear what he needs to do, from his father on down, and they're all telling him different things.
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:19 (one month ago) link