― (doorag), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
I think this community can be percieved negatively because of that "havingvisions that are shocking to the social consensus" thing; these visionsbeing at the fringe of conjectures and actual trends, it can be frustratingfor people who don't want to miss on the evolutionary advantages this tribemight have yet don't want to bet on duds.This situation saddens me because I find myself "shot by both sides" :extropianism and the majority of people are either at best lacking thehistorical culture to know these ideas are old hat or at worst voluntarlyomitting this knowledge by sheer vanity.
The visions and methodology of Extropianism hardly makes it a newphilosophy.
Charles Fourier, great historian of the future, philosopher of gloriousmusical tomorrows of harmonious bodies, way after civilizations, when theflesh will be invested of ideal qualities , who was appreciated by Marx andEngels, was proposing an harmonian revolution.Here's some traduction of passages from Oeuvre complètes tome VIII andBulletin de Lyon, 1804:"humanity will wake itself to the materialist ameliorations it's body issuceptible to."He was forecasting living on other planets since at this point the earthwould be too small."New and useful properties gained by earthlings living in these new celestalcountries: amphiby, night vision, perpetual growth of hairs and teeths,indolorism , whitening to the sun etc"Forecasting genetic manipulations:"from their torso a new appendice would grow: used either as a powerfulweapon, to prevent falls, a superb ornament with infinite force anddexterity. Habitants of suns, lactées and ringed planets like saturn areamphibious, by the effect of an ouverture in the casing of their heart, andhave a fifth member common to both sex: the archiarm who can kill an animalin one shot, be used as a whirling parachute, a motor for fake wings, a ropeladder, a swim-aid that gives man the velocity of a fish and thousand ohterpossibilities either on earth or in the seas. The archiarm triplesproductivity of the industry and bring the body at it's ultimate degree ofbiological perfection."
(He too, as I said in another post, could be a promoter of impossiblebodies, but that's another story...)
That ought to be enough for the vision part. A bit frivolous and funny butnot much more than saying that in the future our children will be few andimmensely valued, huanity will have to deal with hypermaturity etc.
On the methodological front, I present you Condorcet who concludes his_Esquisse d'un tableau historique des progrès de l'esprit humain_ bypredicting the end of stupidity, hypocrisy and the emergence of a new bodymade possible by technological, scientific and medical progress.Sounds cutting edge? It was written in 1795. Death is percieved as a hypothesis to be reserved to exceptional cases likeaccidents or rare probabilities. The lenght of life, considerably augmented"get close to for ever (...) an unlimited lenght".So it is : a body who escaped the laws of nature and entropy ...
Genuine ignorance or vanity, it doesn't matter to me: as a group,extropians/transhumanists are a bit too eager to misread their predecesor inorder to make room for themselves...Also, using the structure of an "institute" / "school of philosophy" is amassive philosophical regression, sad, a system of terror, with thepretention of making something new but is a king-sized povrety. I think we have great dreams but extropians don't go at it the right way.Don't even think of calling Fourier and Condorcet proto extropians, please,that would be disingenious for the other way around woud be more logicalsince they are already accepted in the academic network, humanity's commoncultural heritage and they had more historical influence than their currentpoor unsuccessful incarnation: extropianism is just a materialism andrealizing it by droping the usless brand name would be the mature thing todo for it would help in getting credibility and real life traction to ourcommon dreams.Rejoice! You are not an extropian, you are a materialist ! :-)You are part of a tradition and your ideas are accepted more easily.Do I think this post will change anything to the established order? I knowpeople who are branded extropians or transhumanists won't budge, I wrotethis for people who will get interested in these problems of our time, sothey won't needlessly cripple their game.May our dreams be reality!
― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 3 August 2003 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:44 (four years ago) link
rolling attention deficit 2017 -> 999999999999 -> 999999999999999999
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:03 (four years ago) link
Rolling Footwork / Juke / Batida / Shangaan/ Chaabi / Other
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:06 (four years ago) link
ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:32 (four years ago) link
"Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?;
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:42 (four years ago) link
" Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission? "
okay, thanks for the sandbox.
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:43 (four years ago) link