königsforst for me
― omar little, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Zauberberg, and not just for the title alone.
Yeah, I bought these when they came out and was surprised to discover recently how expensive/rare these are now. I'm glad to hear that they are now available via the Kompakt site because they are timeless records.
― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
timeless, yes. i love these.
― sleep, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Konigsforst, definitely. I love how parts of it are so lo-fi that they sound almost mono.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
absolutely timeless. quite addicting, too.
re: pop ambient 2007 - that gas track is one of his best, too, i think. ("nach 1912" or something like that?) it's incredible.
i might go with zauberberg, i'm not sure. it's possibly the most consistent of them.
but i think i might vote pop, it's such a weird, weird record. it's got this uneasiness to it, even in what most people think are the calming tracks. the way it shifts moods from soothing to disturbing, contemplative to restless, etc., makes it such an interesting listening experience.
― Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link
-- omar little, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:13 (1 hour ago)
― am0n, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link
pop just over königsforst 4 me
― sleep, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i'd be interested in hearing why voigt decided to discontinue the gas project
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Königsforst
― Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
if anyone goes out and buys all of these i'd hate to see their GAS BILL!!!! HAHAHAHAHHA
― s1ocki, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
oh man
i still laughed though
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― ILX System, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
these are so good.
Konigsforst for me, altho "Oktober" is pretty amazing. By the way, I don't think it was a 12" - it was released as part of the Raster-Noton 20 to 2000" series as a 3" CD in 5" plastic.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
my mistake - discogs had it listed as a 12", but i've never actually seen the physical release so i wouldn't know. it is pretty amazing!
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i've only heard three of these, but based on that, Pop wins.
― the table is the table, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:10 (sixteen years ago) link
probably my favorite music ever, i have to go with the s/t lp but really all of these are like 11/10
― winston, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:26 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm pretty sure "moderne" is still in print; i see it often enough anyway.. the other stuff is mille plateaux and i don't think they've gotten around to reissuing anything since restarting last year or whatever
must mention the tal track that opens pop ambient 2002 and closes that harvest cologne comp.. beyond gorgeous...
All the mint stuff is absolutely essential too (there needs to be a comp of it)
― winston, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link
oktember 12" = track one of the koningsforst cd issue + 20 to 2000 on the flip (i've never heard the 20 to 2000 cd -- so i'm assuming here)
― resolved, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
here's the discogs' link, fwiw.
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
ha, selling for $80. i can't believe how much gas stuff sells for.
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link
well, prices LISTED on discogs are often a bit higher than the real value... oktember is one of the more expensive ones. if you look at the market price history for the 2xlps, there are a bunch offered at ridiculous prices but the ones that actually sell are priced much lower (altho still quite expensive)
― resolved, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
yea i think i saw one of the albums (in cd version) sell for $30 or $40 on amazon once, which is very expensive but not horribly so.
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Voigt's 20 to 2000 contribution, "20 Minuten Gas im November," was released under his own name, not as Gas, and was exclusive to the series. it was not the b-side of the "Oktember" 12"
― Mr. Hal Jam, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I voted Pop; probably my favorite ambient album by any artist.
― rockapads, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Zauberberg for $270
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0000064R7/ref=dp_olp_2/105-0171235-9350048?ie=UTF8&qid=1200427715&sr=1-1
― Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― am0n, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
wow
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
you'd think they would do the the favor of shipping it.
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
That said, check out the MassStab and Studio 1 series because those are pretty great as well. Similarly minimal, but with dense patterns of samples instead of washes of sound.
― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
wow my gas bill joke just gets more and more prescient in hindsight. WOW
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm surprised there weren't more votes for zauberberg
― Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link
The first two tracks of Zauberberg back-to-back kill me. Highs not quite as high as Königsforst though. Pop is amazing but definitely its own thing. Also search All singles.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link
So is there anywhere one can buy Oktember at a reasonable price? It's not on the Kompakt site. And is Modern 12" only?
― toby, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Mark- It's the third track on Zauberberg that really gets me. This album somehow manages to both creep me out and pacify me at the same time.
Also, the only way to suitably describe the last track is heavenly.
― lou, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
yea zauberberg is really bizarre, isn't it? you have the first and last tracks which are completely gorgeous - yea, heavenly, the third track (which is one of my favorite Gas tracks) which kind of envelopes you in this really calm way, but all the other tracks are downright creepy.
― Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link
the last track on konigsforst always makes me think of a sunrise because it sounds like a warped/looped "william tell overture", that waking-up music they use in cartoons
― am0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i wonder if any classical heads can trainspot what pieces he samples
― am0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I actually thought about e-mailing Alex Ross about Gas. He's probably pretty busy though.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
you should do it!
― Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Pop was the only one I could ever find on CD. it was the first one I heard, and though I liked the earlier albums after going back and hunting them down on p2p, I did find them to be a bit darker and more eerie than Pop. I don't think I ever really digested the earlier albums like I did Pop for that reason, so Pop got my vote. If they ever did re-release these, I'd swoop them up in a heartbeat.
― rockapads, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
toby: arent you in america now? honestly your best bet for getting gas stuff cheap is just to scour used bins whenever you get the chance. there's a lot of mille plateaux stuff lying around. these things were pressed in massive quantities. however, ebay/discogs/amazon holds no hope of reasonable prices...
― resolved, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i actually sold all of my gas CDs and am replacing them slowly w the vinyl because i'm a nerd
― resolved, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
i look everywhere for gas everytime i enter a used record store to no avail. all i have is the koenigforst lp (which i got for a steal at $15 sealed a couple of years ago) and moderne.
mille plateaux comps are super plentiful but most single artist albums are about as hard to find as stuff on rather interesting these days.
am0n: that track always makes me think of the wizard of oz.. the twister... dorothy falling asleep etc..
both of those last two tracks make me think of tornadoes and hurricanes for some reason... i think the second to last is my favorite... those horns breaking through the clouds of strings....
― winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link
resolved where do you live?
― winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link
some dude listed the 4 full lengths on eBay for $300 a few weeks ago. dunno if they sold or not.
p.s. how did i miss this thread? i would've voted for POP.
― stephen, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/48155-kompakt-reissues-gas-catalog-in-box-set
― toby, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 02:47 (sixteen years ago) link
oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh
― winston, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link
[nerd alert] i've fantasized about something like this for some time.. i wanted to design a multiple lp box set w/all the albums, lps, comp tracks, + remixes...
but how the hell do you fit those albums on 2 lps????
― winston, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link
ps get me to write the liner notes, wolfie
Track 7 (and end of 6, beginning of 8): a new, higher frequency beep appears, way up at 19khz. I can't hear it.
https://i.imgur.com/SHRsNSM.jpg
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 07:31 (two years ago) link
Thanks for the pics, Chinchilla! I can't hear the beeps but the pitched bom-bom march beat is driving me nuts (OK, what did I expect from an album called "the Long March", fine) so I think I'm out anyway.
Does the beep line up with the higher or the lower-pitched kick or neither?
Somewhat depressing not to hear it though. I remember probably 10-15 years ago a friend was saying that electronic artists should retire at 35 because they can't hear the treble well enough and their beats become insufficiently punchy. Which seemed a bit harsh at the time (& even aged <30 I couldn't hear the alleged problem), but now I'm in my 40s and still daydreaming of maybe putting out some little blurts of bleepy thumpy stuff on bandcamp one of these decades, only to realise that I'm missing at least half of the CD-quality spectrum...
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 11 December 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link
At least I now feel vindicated in my decision not to buy this thing unheard on Bandcamp Friday in protest at there being no streamable preview tracks.
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 11 December 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link
Chinchilla did you rip a CD or was it a download?
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 11 December 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link
Thank you for those EQ settings, octobeard.
― StanM, Saturday, 11 December 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
Yes, thanks - that post inspired me to tinker.
The images above are from a FLAC CD rip. I bought the download on Bandcamp, but the individual tracks there are faded out at the end (still not sure why he or anyone thought this was desirable). The continuous mix is one big file. What I wanted was no fades and individual tracks, so I went to that illicit place where Souls are Sought and found a CD rip. Individual tracks, no fades. But now I'm back to working with the big long full-album file, to make it easier to strip out those frequencies across the whole album. Then if I'm feeling ambitious I'll split it up into tracks myself.
I'm not actually that obsessed with this, but I'm a casual/for fun user of Audition who is still learning, and this gives me a good chance to learn some new skills.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Saturday, 11 December 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link
I’m not sure what’s going on here, but I listened to the tracks on Apple Music (lossless setting, no eq override, soundcheck turned off) and didn’t hear the beeplistened on youtube (quality unknown) and did hear the beep
― mh, Monday, 13 December 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link
yup, checked two more tracks and I’m not going crazy — the youtube tracks have everything that has been mentioned, apple music does notI wonder if it’s been re-uploaded there, or if something in the mastering process/file export got botched
― mh, Monday, 13 December 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
for what it’s worth, the apple music version also has no fade-outs or gaps between the tracks
― mh, Monday, 13 December 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link
I listened to the 1 track version of this from slsk. Initially I couldn't hear the beep at all on my laptop speakers, but when I plugged into my stereo (and verified that the beeps were there in the sonogram) I could make them out. If no one had said anything I doubt that I would have noticed, but now that I do - I can't miss it. Sorta like hearing John Bonham's squeaky bass drum pedal - you may not notice it, but once you ID it you can't not hear it.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 13 December 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link
Looking at old and new files confirms that they have replaced the beepy version. mh's posts got me to listen anew on streaming - beeps gone. So I redownloaded from bandcamp and looked at the spectral display - beeps stripped out, and the new files look much like the ones I edited for myself (needn't have spent that time, I guess). Dotted line replaced with empty space.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Monday, 13 December 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
I listened on Spotify just to hear this beep (GAS is not really my thing) and I couldn't hear it at all. I can usually pick out pretty high frequencies so I wondered if maybe I heard the fixed versions
― Vinnie, Monday, 13 December 2021 04:37 (two years ago) link
When I was looking around for streaming examples, I noticed the new one wasn’t listed on boomkat and some others. I’m guessing they may have yanked the release
― mh, Monday, 13 December 2021 04:43 (two years ago) link
the one on YT is very beepy on my computer speakers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGLmnvv8hjM
i listened to the spotify version on my phone and i could still hear something but way less pronounced
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Monday, 13 December 2021 04:55 (two years ago) link
Wow interesting discussion. The FLACs I have do have the beep. Downloaded for the same reason - no previews on Bandcamp, and can't buy the CD on Bandcamp.I hope the CD I eventually purchase doesn't have the beeps! As someone with mild tinnitus I'm surprised I can hear them, but my hearing loss is actually slightly lower in the frequency band (annoyingly).
― raven, Monday, 13 December 2021 06:35 (two years ago) link
Vinyl just arrived and it has the beeps. It's in four sides, and it fades out at the end of each side.
― with hidden noise, Monday, 13 December 2021 12:57 (two years ago) link
Spotify confirmed, the beep has been removed there, at least on my streams
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 December 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link
Supposedly the dings have been stealth removed from all official online sources. Sucks for those who have the CD/LP, perhaps they'll be worth something when they get replaced with the 'fixed' versions
― octobeard, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link
uh...lol, I'm listening on macbook pro speakers/spotify again and the beeps are still there in full force. I didn't hear them earlier because i was listening via my...*david lynch rolls in his living grave* iphone 6 speakers!
but it's still there. i promise i'm not crazy
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
amazing. i listened to the whole album last night, via my iphone 6 to my ear, and it was so lovely. i really liked it a lot, without that frequency, and i put it in my "new listen pile" playlist. now i'm back on the laptop, and it sucks again! lol
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link
this is a rare music audio case of it being a good idea to play this thing on the shittiest sound system you have, with the worst/absent high frequencies
i'm not hearing the bleep on spotify anymore, but there is a lot of digital crackle? maybe that was there before though, but i was too busy listeting to the beep to notice?
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:38 (two years ago) link
we need to get like a 1000 people into a room with the same sound equipment and do a focus group on this. or like 100. even 20 ok
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:39 (two years ago) link
actually it sounds like a really bad vinyl rip now
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:39 (two years ago) link
but we need to get 20 people in a room and play it out 5 different sets of speakers, 5 different platforms (spotify, CD, LP), 25 tests in all, and figure out what the heck is going on because this is crazy
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link
i need to figure out if there's a way to listen to this that doesn't like shit, other than through the speakers of my iphone6 SE while playing spotify
god, when i was a child, i remember when i only had 2 or 3 big problems. i could count them on my hand, and i would think about what i would do about them. and all the problems were so inconsequential. and now look at my life
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
really it sounds awful now to me. listening via decent headphones on a laptop via spotify and it sounds like garbage
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link
the tone is gone on spotify afaict, but i think the crackle was always there, i assumed it was intentional. a lot of gas stuff has chaotic treble messin with your reverie
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 14 December 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
cool kids these days take their album and record it onto VHS tapes before throwing it up on bandcamp or pressing vinyl masters
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 23:56 (two years ago) link
lol none is this makes me want to actually listen to the album, esp since there's no preview option on Bandcamp
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 04:06 (two years ago) link
they should add a preview of only the beep
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 04:07 (two years ago) link
Again, I hear no beep on the CD but that might be me.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
What a palaver this is.
Heard the tones clear as day last week on Spotify (SoundMagic e11 earbuds plugged into MacBook)That evening I couldn't pick them out on the stereo (Marantz MCR610 into Q-Acoustics 2020s), same sourceToday it's Sennheiser HD558s, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, USB from work laptop - definitely gone from Spotify, but clear in that YouTube clip upthread (which hasn't been updated since Dec 3)
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
i'm sure whenever anyone asks wolfgang voigt about it he just grimly stares at his mixer until the person goes away
― my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
The streaming version now also lacks the horrible track breaks
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 16 December 2021 02:35 (two years ago) link
I sent an email to Kompakt’s Bandcamp, and this is the official word re: downloads:1) Are the files 16 or 24 bit?It will be 16 Bit2) Are these the files with or without the high-frequency ping on every other kick?files come without the high-frequency ping - the record unfortunately still contains the "problem".3) Are the individual tracks faded out or blending seamlessly into each other?You will receive the fade out version and the continuous file.best regards kompaktSo that’s it: files have been depinged, but individual tracks are still fading, which I guess makes them good for shuffle. If you want a continuous experience, you always have the single mixed file, which, I guess, makes sense.Forgot to ask if those few tracks off Rausch will/have also been depinged.
― Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Friday, 17 December 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
the "problem"
hahaa
do you think anyone has dared ask voigt out loud if he did that on purpose or not?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 17 December 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link
honestly, unless i were mastering or something (this is a fantasy world, ok), i don't think i would have the guts to ask
― Karl Malone, Friday, 17 December 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link