Best P-Funk Spinoff Act (70s-80s edition)

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Hahaha, if I wasn't on vacation RIGHT NOW I'd have no time to respond so quickly to them all!

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The 80s didn't end until Use Your Illusion.

― JW, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Godmomma!

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

why is praxis the holy grail, you tard? not much funk goin on there and bernie and bootsy were only on one album. by that logic dee lite and talking heads are also 'pfunk spin offs.' sheesh.

― chaki, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmmm it ate my post again

well here we go:

Mutiny On The Mamaship, Quasar , Games Dames And Guitar Thangs and Sweat Band were the best spin offs. Zapp of course ruled.

My vote goes with Mutiny on this one. Everyone needs to hear it. Prime mid period funkadelic made by pissed off pfunk drummer who does an anti-pfunk pfunk album that's up there with mid period funkadelic.

Shakey is only doing these cuz i asked him as i'd made 2 polls already. We decided by email to include the 80s.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no Jimmy G. and the Tackheads?

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

pfunk holy grail was always seen as the vinyl of the Eddie Hazel album(it was mine til i found a copy in late 90s. I only had a japanese import of some rare tracks until I got that.
Which were of course included on the rhino handmade comp a few years back. Which is a great cd.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i paid like 50 bucks for a vinyl copy of the Hazel album around 1998 or so. At the time it was the most I'd ever spent on an lp.

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Are we really going to pretend that any of this stuff is better than "Atomic Dog" or "Last Dance"? Because I really can't do that.

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

haha yeah I spent $40 on my vinyl copy of the Hazel solo LP. No way am I parting with it, the sleeve alone is soooooooooooo great, one of my favorite P-funk album covers.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

no J.S. Theracon BUCKETS O' DUCKATS 12-inch no credibility

― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait you do have junie up there never mind

― scott seward, Friday, 13 April 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

George Clinton, if for "Atomic Dog" alone.

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Zapp, who definitely have some tracks better than "Atomic Dog," and lots of tracks better than "Last Dance" (though yeah, whether they count as a P-Funk spinoff may be well be a valid question.)

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd probably take Junie over Clinton solo, too. (And maybe Mutiny; haven't played Mutiny on the Mamaship in a long, long time.)

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, maybe not Mutiny. (But I haven't played You Shouldn't Nuf Bit Fish or whatever it's called in even longer.)

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for junie, even though a lot of his best stuff was made before he had much to do with p-funk. the solo stuff and the ohio players stuff. "Funky Worm"!!!!

― scott seward, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

This is too weird. I posted a question to Scott earlier asking if he had heard the Mutiny and Sweat Band and Quasar albums but now it's not there.
That's about the 4th time in as many days that has happened.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i have heard sweat band but not mutiny - i've had the chance to buy a copy, just never did - and i haven't heard quasar either and they had a cheap copy at the record store forever and now i think it's gone. i snoozed and i loozed. i'll have to check again to make sure though. it might still be there.

― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I think i do remember me telling you to pick that up.

whats your email? Perhaps I could help you out with something i sent to shakey.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Or check your last fm inbox!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a last fm inbox! who knew?

― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You know now!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Mutiny - Funk Plus The One !!!

― Paul, Sunday, 15 April 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Not as good as Mutiny On The Mamaship!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a huge fan of Jerome Brailey but Mutiny On The Mamaship doesn't even rate, are you sure you've listened to Funk Plus The One???

― Paul, Sunday, 15 April 2007 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for my cincinnati homeboy bootsay. some other pix

walter morrison -- Bread Alone and [/i]Junie 5[/i]

xavier -- "work that sucker to death"

jimmy g & the tackheads -- "break my heart"

p funk all stars -- urban dancefloor guerillas

praxis -- transmutation (mutatis mutandis) i reviewed this in the very first test-run issue of vibe!

this laswell album is basically a 90s p-funk reunion:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000000GB6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_.jpg

― m coleman, Sunday, 15 April 2007 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a huge fan of Jerome Brailey but Mutiny On The Mamaship doesn't even rate, are you sure you've listened to Funk Plus The One???

I have both vinyls and as good as Funk Plus The One is, it's not in Mamaship's league.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

That praxis album is awesome, love that cd.. But the Axiom Funk sadly isn't. At least I only paid about £2 for it.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I dearly love quite a bit of the music made by everyone on this list -- and Jerome Brailey once saved my bacon big time by hooking me up with a bassist who could learn our set the same night as the gig -- but Bootsy is far and away the most fun spin off, so I'm going with him.

George Solo had a lot of filler on those 80s records.

― UncleTomfly, Sunday, 15 April 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Computer Games is great though!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah it is really good, and atomic dog is among the great party tracks ever -- but skeletons in the closet is not all of that, and most george solo records only have one or two burners on them.

Mutiny's first two records are much stronger in comparison.

― UncleTomfly, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree totally. Mutiny are REALLY underrated. But everyone does need to check those Quasar and Sweat Band albums if they don't have them. That stuff is KILLER. and of course Glen Goins is the best singer of them all. (he died halfway through the album but Bootsy helped complet it).

I like the Fuzzy Haskins albums too. Some nice stuff on there. Same with parlet, Brides, hell all of them are worth checking out!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 16 April 2007 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link

are the quasar and sweat band discs still in print? i had one of the quasar records, but it got permanently "borrowed"

― UncleTomfly, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ysi that laswell homes

― JW, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Dunno if Mutiny are really underrated or just an unknown quantity? I know of 'em (him?) but have never seen any LPs anywhere!

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 16 April 2007 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

there's that funkadelic record that has the warning label that says "GEORGE CLINTON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ALBUM" from the early 80's. is that the mutiny guys?

btw theres a hot hot video on youtube of blackbyrd mcknight and catfish collins just fucking killing it on stage with the brides of funkenstein. watch that shit for real.

― chaki, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rhino.com/covers150/71/71087.jpg warning label one

― chaki, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the Quasar and Sweat band vinyl. They did both get a vinyl reissue in the late 90s. I picked them up from FOPP when it was just that store in the west end of Glasgow. FOPP actually got licenses to reprint these albums.
I think the Sweat Band lp though I have is an original. I paid like £25 for mine then 6 months later it was reissued haha.

I got the Mutiny albums on reissue at the same time.
This stuff should NEVER be out of print.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 16 April 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey did you listen to Mutiny yet?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to all of the first one and about half of the second one on the way home from work. If there's any one signature P-Funk element they're lacking its in the vocals, and maybe in the actual editing/assemblage of tracks...? Brailey doesn't seem to have the same kind of arrangement instincts that Clinton has when it comes to adding or subtracting parts throughout a song, or extending certain sections - these recordings sound like all the musicians are firing on all cylinders for the duration of the song (which reminds me - who's the personnel on this? cuz it sure sounds like Bootsy and/or Skeet on the bass, and the rest of the playing sounds like the identifiable work of other P-funk backing guys too)

The beats and the grooves are great though, Brailey's got a very distinctive approach and the album only loses steam (predictably) on the ballad.... And while none of the vocals are fantastic or anything, its funny to hear someone else try to out-do George Clinton in the nonsense-chant department.

I dunno if I'd rate 'em the best, I have such a soft-spot for Bootsy (and Fuzzy's solo albums too, to be honest)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ZAPP ZAPP ZAPP.

I actually like Zapp's first album more than any George Clinton related album.

― filthy dylan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 05:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I haven't heard a lot of this stuff, but I'd have to vote for Bootsy, if only for the first Rubber Band album. However the title track of Brides of Funkenstein's "Never Buy Texas From a Cowboy" is probably my single favourite P-Funk track from the 1977-81 period

― Tom D., Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Dada you need to hear Mutiny. perhaps you shall soon..

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:34 (sixteen years ago) link

has anyone got the live brides of funkenstein album?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope Shakey listened to all the spin-offs before voting.

Bootsy is gonna walk this isn't he?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link

The Mutiny albums are v. good but it's still Bootsy for me

― Tom D., Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:09 (sixteen years ago) link

What's your fave bootsy? Player?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link

First album

― Tom D., Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link

That's a good album but i always find I listen to Player more.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

or Sweat Band.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I've heard everything except Quasar and some of the Junie solo stuff.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Aww man you really need to hear Quasar.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Quazar, even.

http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/motherpage/albums_spinoffs/alb-quazar_quazar.html

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

RC: This was to be Glenn Goins' first major project away from the P.Funk Mob after he quit, but he passed on before he was able to complete it. But his brother Kevin went on to finish it, and many of Glenn's original vocal and musical parts were left on. Glenn also wrote and produced many of the songs, along with Jerome Brailey, who had also quit by this point. We'll never know how good it might have been had he lived, but what we have is a brilliant, unique funk album. Glenn's abilities as a vocalist, musician, producer and arranger were only hinted at in his brief-but-potent stay with the Funk Mob; but the classics he left behind with Parliament ("Bop Gun" and "Mothership Connection" being only two examples) and his role as lead singer in live performances show how important he really was.

His only real weakness was as a concept artist, which made him a perfect fit with Clinton but limit the ideas on this album. While everything is perfectly sung and played, the lyrics are very basic and the musical ideas not exactly being revolutionary. Given that, the album is excellent: there's a side of kick-ass, shake-booty funkers that would make Sir Nose dance. Then there's a side of skillfully produced ballads carefully designed for a romantic evening. It's a commercial album with perfect integrity, with a sound somewhere between Bootsy's Rubber Band and Mutiny. It's a cross between funk and rock influences that also acknowledges a heavy debt to 60's soul.

The quality of the music is excellent, led by Kevin on guitar, with Greg Fitz (now of Bootsy's New Rubber Band) also coming up with some creative keyboard melodies. The drumming and bass playing are also superb across the board.

"Funk With A Big Foot" is super heavy and funky, with excellent use of pauses and stops, making it very danceable. Jerome Brailey is excellent here, and the keyboards provide the proper flavor. The chant, "Stop! Get down! That's what it's all about" is infectious. "Funk With A Capital G" is another hot funk tune that commands you to wiggle, with doubled up bass and guitar. "Funk N Roll" has a hot guitar riff, deep rolling bass and effective, funky handclaps. It recalls other P.Funk, making "Cholly" references and having band members doing Bootsy impersonations. This song sounds a lot like Mutiny later would. "Working On The Building" is a brilliant fast funker with torrid bass playing and scorching sax (from Daryl Dixon, who did the sax solo on "Flash Light"). More doubled up guitar/bass arrangements, with hot wah-wah guitar and slap bass stylings make me agree: 'And Quazar make you dance'. "Your Lovin' Is Easy" is a Bootsy-ish ballad, also recalling Rick James a bit. The guitar and bass recall some Ike Hayes songs. "Love Me Baby" features the excellent voice of Lady Peachena; the music is pretty commercial, as though this was calculated to be a crossover hit. "Savin' My Love..." is a discoish/ Barry White fast ballad, and as such, it's very corny. Good bass playing, though. "Starlight Circus" is a dreamy, ethereal soul tune. "Shades Of Quaze" is a mellow instrumental, dominated by horns and then wah-wah guitar.

The album is out of print, and very rare. A CD version is available, though only as an import. You may expect to pay a lot of money for this one, but it's worth it. The album is a black and white design with the word 'Quazar' exploding like the Big Bang. Photos of all band members are included.

I have this lp :)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/motherpage/albums_spinoffs/alb-sweatband_sweatband.html

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Bootsy walks it as expected.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm surprised at Ruth Copeland beating the others below her.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Bernie Worrell's All The Woo In The World is awesome.
Fuzzy Haskin's 2 albums are really good.
And how can anyone not like Fred Wesley or Parlet?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

why is praxis the holy grail, you tard? not much funk goin on there and bernie and bootsy were only on one album. by that logic dee lite and talking heads are also 'pfunk spin offs.' sheesh.

Yeah, WTF are you on about? That Praxis shit was OK but it ain't really on topic up in this bitch. Celluloid/Laswell garbage.

I hate to break it to you Laswell people but he SUCKS. The first Material album was interesting and Praxis even was shall we just say a diversion, but if you are a big Laswell freak then you better check yourself before you wreck yourself (or something!).

Bernie is cool and all but he was just about where the gigs were at that time. He has NO BEARING on this other than he got paid for being Bernie. Dig.

As long as this shit is open, give me the 3 Bootsy's Rubber Band albums (you go any later and you demonstrate you a fraud) and ANY CHANCE to hear Eddie Hazel is a treat, no matter what.

Man, ILM needs a fucking P-Funk school for all these bait-ass wannabes. (Fred Wesley's shit was indeed fresh.)

I hate P-funk asshole/expert-come-latelies, try going to a P-Funk show on 1977 when you are the only white motherfucker there, then try to get any fucking thing over on me.

Fuck you in your hoodie bitch, take your dead ass home.

"O.K. Bye"

― Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link

We're not real p-funk fans because we're not old enough to be apparently.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link

HI DERE!

― The Amazing Randy, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

So shakey/dada thoughts on Mutiny and Quazar yet?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Lot's of great descussion on this thread guys, but if this poll was a poll for greatest artwork I'd have to say George Clinton solo!

― Ethan Gaymead, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's Take It To The Stage has my favourite artwork.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/motherpage/coverart.html has info on who did all the artwork.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Pedro Bell artwork rocks.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Fave albums covers anyone?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link

my thoughts on Mutiny are upthread, haven't heard the Quazar yet... fave album cover is a toughie

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

shit I just realized I left Madhouse off this list. d'oh. Their album is like "America Eats Its Young" pt II.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Sunday, 22 April 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah but what is the P-Funk connection?

― Stormy Davis, Sunday, 22 April 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

The band basically went on to become Bootsy's Rubber Band - they were Gary "Mudbone" Cooper's thing.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 April 2007 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Madhouse were pretty good.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link

not to be pedantic, but weren't Madhouse a Prince thang?

when I interviewed Mudbone many years ago he told me he moved to Cincinnati from Baltimore in the early 70s to join Bootsy & Catfish in their post-James Brown/pre-Geo Clinton band.

― m coleman, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link

there was also an early-70s Madhouse that made 1 lp:

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/m/madhouse~~~_serveem~~_101b.jpg

It's pretty great, in a Funkadelic style .. I had no idea that Mudbone was even involved!

― Stormy Davis, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

yep - that's the one I'm talkin about. Mudbone and crew cut it prior to stepping up as Bootsy's Rubber Band, although its unclear to me what their level of involvement was with p-funk when they cut this record. I think they were writing and maybe playing on a couple things (liner notes list "Together" on "Chocolate City" as being a co-Mudbone composition)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 April 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

whoa. google tells me it's produced by Patrick Adams! gotta hear it.

― m coleman, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link

What's the album with the crazy scottish guy on it? I forget his name. But he was kinda well known here when I was a kid.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Jessie Rae?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:40 (sixteen years ago) link

For those who care, a recent (somewhat relevant) mix of mine. Some (mostly) obvious hits of the era, which was the point of this set.

http://download.yousendit.com/DE9244B23FAD51AE

01. Taana Gardener - Heartbeat
02. The Gap Band - Outstanding
03. One Way - Cutie Pie
04. Parliament - Flashlight
05. George Clinton - Atomic Dog
06. Roger - So Ruff, So Tuff
07. KC & The Sunshine Band - I Get Lifted
08. Steve Arrington's Hall of Fame - Weak at the Knees
09. Slave - Just a Touch of Love
10. Chic - Good Times
11. Indeep - Last Night a DJ Saved My Life
12. First Choice - Love Thang
13. Instant Funk - I Got My Mind Made Up (extended mix)
14. Peter Brown - Dance With Me
15. Central Line - Walking Into Sunshine
16. Lakeside - Fantastic Voyage
17. Zapp - Dancefloor

― PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

oh man Cutie Pie

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Jessie Rae, I knew you would know Dada! Thanks! My mate has that cd and when he bought it I fell about laughing when I saw he was on it!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

Has anyone heard Lucius ‘Tawl’ Ross’s ‘Giant Shirley’ album. Apparently had a tough time after leaving Funkadelic but out of nowhere released this album in the mid 90’s. Remember it coming out but missed it at the time. It’s kind of what you want a later Funkadelic album to be, a bit crazy but has a hypnotic lysergic hold over it which is kind of intoxicating. Bluesy with p-funky Bernie Worrell vibes. He’s not gonna win any prizes for the world’s greatest vocalist but it’s kind of great and pretty sui generis.

― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Sunday, 24 July 2022 23:00 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

Anyone heard the Junie Morrison live album currently streaming. Always knew he was talented but this catches him in ‘75 with a band that’s on fire. Great recording too. Coming out on vinyl later in the year. Well worth a listen.

― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 01:06 (one year ago) link

that's a good word, I would have missed this - thanks!

― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 03:02 (one year ago) link

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