If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

xpost: why's it matter what he inspired? and anyway didn't he inspire, like, bob seger and john cougar more than he inspired the derailers?

They aren't in existance, so how?

I got a 'greatest hits' in a bootsale, was all 'ah lovely' got it home, thought "This is boring".

Is that active enough for yez?

and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there.

WRONG. I would be perfectly happy to never hear another note performed by John Fogerty ever, ever again.

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arrangements, tendency to jam aimlessly
-- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (dadaismu...), June 2nd, 2006 11:12 AM.

You got it.

where can this be seen? (Youtube it...?) its not in the movie.

But yeah, I agree for the most part. CCR totally rule.

While I don't actively hate either of these, I really have no interest in either one.

One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.

Creedence Clearwater Revival live at Woodstock.

Wow, that's weird. It's on Got My Own Bag of Tricks (sort of his 'Great 24') and his Chess 50th comp, in addition to featuring on his first album.

Bo Diddley's Golden Decade is the one I've had for a long time; Bo Diddley's 16 All-Time Greatest Hits was his first compilation, I think. I notice Got My Own Bag of Tricks came out in '72--maybe including "Before You Accuse Me" was something of a selling point so close to Cosmo's Factory.

seriously can someone give me an overview of what bonus tracks are out there, on which reissues? I need them.

thank you!

https://www.billboard.com/pro/john-fogerty-buys-control-publishing-creedence-clearwater-revival-catalog/

hell yeah!!!

good article (when you see a subsection titled "keep on chooglin" you know the author is on the level). i knew of some of his struggles with the record companies but didn't know the depth of the treachery.

In addition to taking his artist royalties for decades, in 1985, Zaentz sued Fogerty for $144 million, alleging the artist’s then current hit, “The Old Man Down the Road,” ripped off CCR’s “Run Through the Jungle.” Even though Fogerty had written both songs, Zaentz claimed Fogerty was now plagiarizing a song Zaentz owned. After Fogerty won, his effort to be reimbursed for his $1.3 million in legal fees went all the way to the Supreme Court in 1993.

For years, Fogerty refused to play CCR songs live, unable to stomach Zaentz making money off his performances, but he softened his stance in 1987 with a little prodding from Bob Dylan. While at revered North Hollywood, Calif., club the Palomino, Fogerty, Dylan and George Harrison joined headliner Taj Mahal on stage. “The crowd started asking for ‘Proud Mary,’” Fogerty recalls. “Bob looked at me and said, ‘John, if you don’t do ‘Proud Mary,’ everybody’s gonna think it’s a Tina Turner song,’” referencing Ike & Tina Turner’s 1971 cover. “It’s Bob Dylan, for crying out loud. In my mind, I was still committed that I wasn’t going to do those songs, but I decided I guess I can give that up for three minutes.” Later that year, Fogerty began incorporating CCR songs back into his set.

man, Zaentz brings great shame to the letter Z

keep on boining

Yeah, this is great news. I've been reading Fogerty's autobiography, and it's tragic how much this one terrible decision to sign that contract with Zaentz messed up his life. Glad he finally is seeing a happy ending.

This is wonderful

wow that is excellent news

so, to be clear (cuz I don't know how it works), Fogerty's never earned a dime in royalties or publishing until now?

if so, that's gotta be one of the biggest lost fortunes in music history

no, i think he did retain rights to some revenues, though not nearly as much as he should have gotten. just from the billboard article, it mentions:

One of the first moves Concord made was to reinstate and increase Fogerty’s artist royalties, which Fogerty had relinquished to Zaentz in 1980 to get out of his Fantasy deal and had not received in 25 years.

Fogerty, who had retained his writer’s share of his CCR copyrights, also owns the masters and publishing to his solo material, including such hits as “Centerfield,” “Rockin’ All Over the World,” and “Almost Saturday Night.”

a chooglehead can provide more detail. and i'm not sure how retaining the writer's share of the copyright compares to artist royalties and owning the masters and publishing. it's probably peanuts, but it wouldn't be zero.

Writer and publisher shares are usually 50/50 each; writer royalties legally can't be below 50%.

^^^ so he probably did OK, but had to watch a lot of $ go to his hated nemesis

Yeah, they were sufficiently high that he didn't have to release records or tour for 10 years!

Thanks!

We should have a poll of biggest record executive assholes: Zaentz, Allen Klein, the Bert Berns, who else?

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Plenty of small label owners to add to such a list! Most of them in fact.

Greg Ginn belongs on that list for sure, and Tony whatsisname from Victory Records.

Armen Boladian for sure

Matthew Katz should count

Ginn is really bad

The Homestead guys

Don Robey
Morris Levy

“John’s songs are some of the chooglinest compositions of the 20th century,” Valentine said.

Robey, definitely. A complete sack of shit, and until recently, I didn't realize that some believe he coerced Big Mama Thornton into loading the bullet that killed Johnny Ace into his gun.

(I doubt the theory myself, but that's only a small part of an article detailing how terrible Robey was.)

Was driving around this morning and "Commotion" came on, so you know what I did?

I turned that shit *up*.

I think someone was intentionally making a statement, playing that song on the sound-system one day in Walmart just before Christmas.

We should have a poll of biggest record executive assholes: Zaentz, Allen Klein, the Bert Berns, who else?

A manager rather than a record company guy but hard to beat this guy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Polley

If you include managers, Peter Grant has to be near the top of the list.

Grant didn’t steal from, or otherwise rip off, his bands. But he got in way over his head thinking that surrounding Zeppelin with his gangster buddies, and using brute force bullying tactics, was a good idea. Zep got their money, and control over their work, but Grant did tremendous damage (physical and emotional) along the way. Not for nothing did Plant and Page take on Who/Judas Priest manager Bill Curbishley for the UnLeded records/tours.

Sweet hitchakikah

The red 15 means "not allowed." I tried.

https://phildellio.tripod.com/choogled.jpg

"Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" has recently crossed the Billion spins threshold on Spotify, with "Fortunate Son" coming up next with almost 924 Million plays.

How much $ does that translate to

around 3 million dollars?