Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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Possibly not overrated

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

Well lead me to the non-boring Steely Dan, I may have heard the wrong stuff. Show me the light.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

"Deacon Blues!"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

non-boring: all of it

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

Can't Buy a Thrill
Gaucho

These bookends to their - original - career are funpacked, not as knowing as what comes in between. Though some may disagree violently.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

Also download 'Josie'(from Aja). Tell me this isn't the coolest, streetest, dirtiest, sweetest thing ever.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

aor at its most unimaginative...

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

zzzzzzzzzz

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

where the fuck is d4rn1elle when we need him?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

They could play.. Then, so what, so could the entire Californian studio mafia too. More importantly, Steely Dan wrote classy songs, and they are one of still very few examples of a band breaking up, reuniting several years later and still being able to make great albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

punk wasn't necessarily about making consumer artifacts though. its like comparing the results of an evening out (vomit, scars, vague memories) with the results of staying in and doing a bit of knitting.

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

The pfork quote is obv. outdated ignorant crap. Really John Darnielle could explain why best. It betrays a hatred of the musical forms which the Dan use/are influenced by, the fact most happen to be black in origin is irrelevant, the fact that that they swing isn't. John Lydon was a fan of ABBA and Van Der Graaf Generator.
He didn't die; Sid Vicious did.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

aw don't knock prostate tickling :(

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago) link

i saw them right when they first went back out on tour and they just sounded amazing. just one great song after another.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

look, they were studio dudes. there is a *reason* they were studio dudes. they lacked the imagination and spark to do anything truly great. they are an energyless study in basic competence.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

Well put by Geir.

Great band. Once again, a Pitchdork writer postures but doesn't offer anything in the way of interesting musical insight. But hey maybe one of these days we'll get a "reassessment" of them too.

I saw 'em on the reunion tour as well! I drove three hours to see them in Indianapolis, in fact, because I couldn't get tickets for CHicago. Good show overall, although I will admit to being a bit disappointed at the time, probably just cuz I had built it up so much in my mind.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

they are an energyless study in basic competence.

If you want to insult them, fine, but accusing them of mere "basic competence" is a tad silly.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

'look, they were studio dudes. there is a *reason* they were studio dudes. they lacked the imagination and spark to do anything truly great.'

Where have your favourite bands made their greatest albums? In their kitchens? On a beach in Spain?

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

not really. what is the difference between a musician and brilliant musician? a musician is "competent". a brilliant musician has a command of songwriting and a creative spark thatgoes beyond competence. LISTEN to Steely Dan for God's sake, how can you argue this?

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

uh, great tunes, witty lyrics?

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

where?

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

XTC, Prefab Sprout, Scritti Politti and Todd Rundgren are studio acts too. And they are all great. Just like Steely Dan.

Not to mention The Beatles from "Revolver" onwards.....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

"Steely Dan's fifth album, The Royal Scam, was released on both sides of the Atlantic in May 1976. It was a nine-song collection which, despite Gary Katz's criticism of ABC Studios, had again been recorded there with additional sessions at A & R Studios in New York.

"By now, Becker and Fagen's pool of musicians had expanded into a veritable orchestra of session players. They thought nothing of flying a guitar player or a drummer -- or indeed both -- across the country to play little more than a few bars of one song which might not even make it onto disc. Expense didn't enter into it; their foremost consideration was to find the right stylistic match and to create as perfect a rendition of each composition as was humanly possible. Within a few years they would take their obsessiveness even further, using the latest technology to create absolute millisecond-perfect drum tracks, using either a drum machine, a computer, a live drummer, or a combination of all three.

"At the sessions for The Royal Scam, Fagen and Becker began to record each tune with six or seven different rhythm sections, switching the players around to try almost every configuration possible. They would record all the songs with Rick Marotta and then record them all over again with Bernard Purdie to see what each drummer could bring to the tunes.

"Bass players, guitar players, and keyboard players would flit in and out of a variety of studios so often they never knew what was going on. Different combinations of musicians were playing all the songs on successive nights and no one knew in advance -- including sometimes Becker and Fagen -- who (if anyone) would end up on the final track. On some frustrating occasions, after countless unsuccessful takes, a song would be dropped because Becker and Fagen decided that none of the multitude of efforts had come close to their vision of the song. Often Becker and Fagen's microscopic fastidiousness bewildered the session players, who thought every facet of the track sounded fine but which for some reason Becker and Fagen refused to accept. And no amount of talking could persuade them otherwise.

"Fagen and Becker took their controlled experimentation further with each album; it would reach its limit on Gaucho when it became increasingly unlikely that they would ever be satisfied with virtually any basic track. During Gaucho they employed an astonishing forty musicians and singers and worked on one song for so long and listened back to it so many times that they actually wore the oxide off the tape."

-from Steely Dan: Reelin' in the Years, by Brian Sweet, Omnibus Press 1994

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

best driving music this side of AC/DC

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

(that's not a response to anyone, that's just a passage i really like)

(xpost)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think Bernard Purdie is Pretty brilliant.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

Steely Dan fans are inexplicable to me. This is a mediocre band at best.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the energy to try to persuade anyone, but I think they made some great music, and their songwriting actually stands out as a strength.

Feel free not to like them.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

i do, i do!

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

I always recall JBR's story about hearing some random Charlie Parker cd and realizing that a couple bars in the middle of one of his solos were transcribed to form that cool little coda at the end of "Parker's Band". I think that is brilliant. I always meant to try to hear the Parker cut.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

Steely dan's music, with it's incredible sonic palette, sly hooks and phat beats is almost tailor made for the Timberland/Neptunes era. They've won and they'll continue to win.

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

Broheems: The Parker cut is called "Bongo Beep" and is easily slskable.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

the burden of proof is on you, Orbit dude. You ain't doing too good so far.

dan roolz, Friday, 13 February 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

Cool! I will seek it out.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:02 (twenty years ago) link

LISTEN to Steely Dan for God's sake, how can you argue this?

LEAVE GOD OUT OF THIS.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

SD are massively brilliant, lyrically and musically, and I think they're actually a lot more diverse than people give them credit for. It's rock/pop music as subversive satire or really wry melancholy.

This is the first time I'm squarely in Geir's corner! :o

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

the opening quote is ridiculous, of course. but i wonder aloud to the people "who were there" (mistahs sinkah, kogan, and currie?) -- was steely dan one of the enemies of the punkers? i would think that they'd just have ignored them instead of actively sneering or abusing them.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago) link

I loved them when I saw them on tour last year. "Everything Must Go" features so many lyrics that catch my ear or crack me up, and I'm not much of a lyrics person. It's such a great concept album, like midlife crisis as metaphor for the end of the world. Or maybe the other way around.

Oddly enough, the only other Dan album I listen to regularly is "The Royal Scam," which I feel has always gotten short shrift. I once heard a DJ mix in "The Fez," and the crowd went nuts. The interview I once did with Becker/Fagen was a hoot, too.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

that early 70's band rocked live. or at least on the stuff i've heard. i would have loved to see that.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

they are brilliant...people often don't get what's great about them or they like them for the palatability of the music without recognizing the intricacies and ironies within. sometimes it can be as annoying for someone to like your music for the wrong reasons as it is for someone to hate it and SD is a perfect example of this.

Etta, Friday, 13 February 2004 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not a dude.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:16 (twenty years ago) link

i think punks stone throwing was at what was seen as a kind of monolithic system of producing/distributing and experiencing music. i can't remember if steely dan got called out specifically.

does stewart O like steely dan i wonder?

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

I think most of us would agree that their syncapation was unlike other bands of their time. (Can't Buy a Thrill excluded) I don't hate them for that.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

"was steely dan one of the enemies of the punkers?"

The Minutemen didn't seem to think so.

Fagan and Becker's liner notes in the re-issue of "The Royal Scam" are funny and go into their way of seeing things during that time. (Do the other re-issues have similar notes? I have old cds or lps of the rest.)

earlnash, Friday, 13 February 2004 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

Haha .. actually I think I got in some stupid bitchy argument with Stewart O on that "Talking Heads vs. Steely Dan" thread (he liked TH).

Anyway, is there anything more tired and poked full-of-holes in 2004 than received punk-rock mythology (various prog/punk ilm threads to thread; john lydon use other facts please to thread, etc)

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

In context, Steely Dan represented everything that punk stood against: major lable dinosaur limo-rock made by people who were technicians above feeling musicians. Jimi Hendrix has more in common with the Sex Pistols or the Clash than any of those do to Steely Dan. The music is STERILE, 70s coke-fueled self-indulgence and I have yet to find a single meaningful lyric in it.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

Coke, Pepsi, I don't care about that.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

yer right Broheems: but when pfork (mis)uses it to malign steely dan: grrr!

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 13 February 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah but Orbit in context Jefferson Airplane represented the 60s zeitgeist. Who cares now?

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway you're absolutely wrong; SD are punk like William Burroughs

pete s, Friday, 13 February 2004 03:35 (twenty years ago) link

in 2006 the first record i played at my new apartment was aja

brimstead, Friday, 1 September 2023 17:44 (seven months ago) link

In 2006 I had a Morph the Cat poster over my desk at work

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 1 September 2023 17:46 (seven months ago) link

holy christ scott, what a thing of beauty

tremolo, Friday, 1 September 2023 19:08 (seven months ago) link

Wow yeah I need that Here at the Western World 12". Some days it's my favorite Dan song

J. Sam, Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:59 (seven months ago) link

Party at Scott’s house

calstars, Saturday, 2 September 2023 17:18 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

They stabbed him with their steely knives

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 22:47 (six months ago) link

One of these Nightflys

The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 23:29 (six months ago) link

On my lunch break in midtown Manhattan eating Nathan’s cheese fries outside and listening to Countdown to Ecstasy

calstars, Thursday, 19 October 2023 16:19 (six months ago) link

all the poor people eatin with the cheese on the fries

budo jeru, Thursday, 19 October 2023 17:04 (six months ago) link

Tell all your buddies that it ain't no drag

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 19 October 2023 17:25 (six months ago) link

It was fo-dee-eight hours til Lonnie came arouuuuunnnnnnd

calstars, Thursday, 19 October 2023 17:38 (six months ago) link

my retirement plan is to stay after closing time at the guernsey fair until I detect the el supremo

Florin Cuchares, Friday, 20 October 2023 03:57 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

43rd anniversary of the release of Gaucho

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 22:23 (four months ago) link

"Hey Sixty-Two"

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 00:02 (four months ago) link

Here is every food and drink Steely Dan have ever mentioned in a song. pic.twitter.com/hbAgl1O9WO

— Joan Ocean . Com (@Joanocean) August 3, 2023

, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 17:24 (four months ago) link

It depends if you think the "fine Columbian" is a reference to peanut butter

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 17:32 (four months ago) link

I mean, they did name an album after pretzels.

Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 18:48 (four months ago) link

Christgau's latest Substack newsletter is a review of a book about SD (with references to several others) and man, if you thought he was a shit writer in short capsule form...he really has disappeared entirely up his own ass.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 18:49 (four months ago) link

poll

flopson, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:01 (four months ago) link

hard not to vote for szechuan DUMPLINGS!

flopson, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:02 (four months ago) link

I can't decide whether an SD cookbook or SD drinking game would be more enjoyable. SD themed edition of Great British Bake Off?

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:09 (four months ago) link

Breadisattva?

Reelin' in the Yeast?

Katy Fried?

Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:19 (four months ago) link

three piña coladas sounds nice

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 19:30 (four months ago) link

libations

calstars, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 20:37 (four months ago) link

Deacon Blueberry

Oh I believe in Yetis' Day (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:18 (four months ago) link

Charlie Crepe

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:56 (four months ago) link

The Royal Ham

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 November 2023 22:06 (four months ago) link

The Royal Scampi

nickn, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 22:35 (four months ago) link

Countdown to Eggstacy

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 23:34 (four months ago) link

Everyone’s Gone to the Mochi

calstars, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 23:39 (four months ago) link

Pretzel Lobster

birdistheword, Thursday, 23 November 2023 00:46 (four months ago) link

i just got this email TODAY

https://i.imgur.com/YAa2514.png

omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 02:10 (four months ago) link

Barry Town obviously

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 November 2023 02:26 (four months ago) link

Wish they had gone into Steely Dan solo projects as well, if only to nab the mango cooler from Morph the Cat.

peace, man, Saturday, 25 November 2023 17:21 (four months ago) link

If you wanted to see the killer "Show-Biz Kids" Midnight Special clip in its original context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PLCH0TYB0

BILLY PRESTON! BO DIDDLEY! NED DOHENY!

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 02:14 (four months ago) link

They play My Old school at the end too

calstars, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 03:14 (four months ago) link


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