Defend Phil Collins

anyone remember marcello's freejazz story?

I was too nice to the Postal Service though.

Ol' Dirty Bastard and lots of other rap and RnB stars to thread.

Also, Geir needs to be here.

Other than that, I still think his first three solo albums have gotten a bit too much criticism. Sure, they aren't quite in the league of Peter Gabriel's solo work (much less in the league of Genesis at their best), but there are lots of great tracks there too. From "But Seriously" onward it was downhill though, and "Dance Into The Light" is probably one of the worst albums ever.

Also, Phil Collins is a magnificent drummer. Maybe his best moment as a drummer is "Intruder" - the opening track on Peter Gabriel's third album.

'Mama''s quite a good song.

He was a big fan of The Action as a youth.

No, that's it. I've run out of good words to say for him.

I like "Against All Odds", no matter how schmaltzy it may be, although it may be because I had a thing for Rachel Ward when I was a teenager.

He is a decent actor, and probably one of the top hundred-thousand drummers in the world.

I think that the fact the song has actually spawned an urban legend speaks to how powerful it is....

Don't know much else about his music and frankly don't care.

Sure, he's a good drummer, but I recall hating him for his skin-work on the re-made version of Howard Jones' 'No One Is To Blame' - the original was far better.

He is indeed pretty funny in interviews. Very self-affacting. I think he'd be an OK guy to have a pint with. Although the conversation with Peter Gabriel would be far more interesting. Sting can blow himself. (sorry - did an interview with Sting recently and I'm struggling BADLY to finish the article)

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/someair.htm

Fritz, I didn't know he was in a Bone Thugs video?? Which one??

Also, imagine the possibilities that appearance brings up in a game of "Six Degrees of Phil Collins"....it probably means you could connect say, Mase and Marianne Faithful in less than 4 degrees....like Bone Thugs worked with collins, they worked with Biggie on Notorious Thugs, Biggie worked with Mase, then Phil subbed for drums with Zeppelin at Live Aid (I think) and probably John Paul Jones did some arranging for Marianne I bet back in the mid-60s....(I'm not sure about all these facts, just speculating, but the possibilites like this are endless.)...

Isn't this what we praise Joy Division for?

This may not have been you, but I once head John say in an interview that Phil Collins had stolen the PiL drum sound! Apparently, after hearing the drum sound on 'Flowers' Collins requested the same engineer that PiL used and set up the drums exactly the same! Is this true? Was it you!

Yes, this is true, and it was me. John is correct but there is a bit more to it. I learnt how to get that "kind" of drum sound by watching Hugh Padgham record in the same Stone Room at the Townhouse. Hugh recorded Peter Gabriel's 3rd album and if you listen to a song called 'Intruder' you will hear what I'm talking about. When It came to doing the PiL album I used similar methods to achieve a similar sound. During the making of the 'Flowers of Romance' I bumped into Phil Collins in the corridor of the Townhouse, I had worked as an assistant on his first LP, and he was very inquisitive about how I was surviving working with the evil Johnny Rotten! I told him John was a top class geeza, and promised to introduce them if he was keen.

Later that day me and John went to the Townhouse canteen to eat boiled cabbage and mash, and in walked Phil so I introduced them. Much to all our surprise they got on like a house on fire! Anyway back to the drum story... Much later Phil was producing a Chris Bailey (of Earth Wind and Fire) album, and he wanted THAT drum sound, but Hugh was off working with the Police. Phil had by then heard snippets of the PiL album. So, the day we were in mastering the 'Flowers' single remix at the Townhouse cutting rooms next door, I got a call from Phil saying HELP! So I went in for an hour or so and dialed it up!

Pardon granted for: Squonk

There is lots of Phil Collins-associated music that I like, and lots that I loathe. I generally find him to be unbelievably smarmy, though, so it's hard to like even the good stuff.

(this, btw, would also fit into the ILE "funniest things said while having sex" thread)

"No really, Gail, he was there and John Martyn was on guitar, and he talked him into playing and John Stevens said halfway through one improv piece "Right you lot, Phil and I are gonna have a little chat on the drums now so the rest of you cunts can just shaddup, alright?"

"Yes, that sounds like good old John," sighed G. Four-second pause. "Dirty old man that he was..."

(according to G, every Brit improv legend is or was a "dirty old man" heheh).

Anyway, as a drummer the boy Collins dun good on the John Cale Island trilogy and also on Bob Fripp's Exposure. The latter, come to think of it, is not currently available on CD either except as an expensive and not recommended import.

Old Man On The Corner

Grandmama

Nursing Home By The Sea

I Don't Pee Anymore

Aged, Full Of Warts (Take A Look At Me Now)

I Pissed Again

I Know What I Like (Prunes and an Early Bedtime)

ahem

Nursing Home by the Sea

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Old Man On The Corner

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, January 23, 2023 2:53 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Grandmama

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Nursing Home By The Sea

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Second Nursing Home By The Sea

Reverse Mortgaging England by the Pound

oh damn lmao xp

Blames Everything On Illegal Aliens

lol

Billy, Don't Lose Dignitas' Number

Jesus, I Knew Him

Duke's Retirement

Man of Old Times

You Can't Hurry

A Gravely Kind Of Laugh

Dawdle into the Light

hee hee

Turn It (My Pacemaker) On Again

Second Nursing Home By The Sea

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain)

You're No Son of Mine (Dementia Remix)

He seems to have that visible gut, yeah

Something Happened on the Way to the Buffet

The “dance into the light” cover eradicated my ability to enjoy his earlier work

First, he's not dead. Second, this rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgnZD4mMRDY

(ruling starts around 1:18)

It does.

That whole album... Esp Firth Of Fifth.

Original mix is back in-print thanks to Analogue Productions. Kind of pricey though

Thought for second there was like a trending TikTok cover version of longtime CVS Jam "Dance Into The Light"...

I keep reading this thread title as "Defund Phil Collins"

ABACAB

Defun Phil Collins

Prog Phil is just too much for me to process, can’t enjoy it

Hello, I Must Be Gnoming

In sum, it doesn't appear that Phil Collins needs much defending.

He's no stranger to you and me

EPIC TOM FILL