― Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
You can still get any of the Dick's Picks from the Dead's own site (gdstore.com). DP4 is $21 plus postage.
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
So I don't know why they don't release more albums that take stuff from a variety of performances (and eras), cherry-picking the really juicy tracks. 'The Phil Zone' is a good example of this - it's got a great range of stuff, even some not-bad performances from the late 80s. And it's got an absolutely monster version of 'Hard to Handle', which not only rocks like a bastard, it's from an audience tape so you can hear everybody going mental as they crank it up.
(I also wish you could hear more audience on a lot of the Dick's Picks. They capture the music well, but not always the whole occasion. OK, I know they're mostly taken from the mixing desk so maybe that's not possible.)
Aaron or chaki - could you recommend any good Dick's Picks from 73-4 or 77?
― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
search GRAYFOLDED - Oswald's "plundering" of over 100 versions of Dark Star from 69-95. Essential drone
Anthem of the Sun and Live/Dead are pretty much perfect legit albums btw
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
And I've just looked at the tracks for 22, that also looks tempting. I listened to Two From The Vaults over the weekend, from the same year (and with a similar set). There's something about the sound of the band/Garcia's guitar from that time (68/69). I can only describe it as having a lot more bite.
Completely agree with you roger about Live/Dead - that's the benchmark for me, both the version of Dark Star and the album as a whole.
I was surprised the first time I heard Grayfolded how 'ordinary' a lot of it sounded i.e. not ordinary as such but just like a great extended version of Dark Star, the first CD at least. The vocal 'swooshes' and 'folds' sound good though.
― James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 7 July 2003 13:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Just listening to vol 12's lovely version of China Cat Sunflower, as mentioned above by Aaron M.
Any new opinions?
― frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
i'm too tired to elaborate, but if you consider that Neil Young has Candian citizenship, and if you exclude the American contingent of Fleetwood Mac at their absolute peak, The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time.
Trux and the Drive By Truckers are tied for me personally, but we're looking through history's lens here, people. The Dead. the fucking DEAD!!!!
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
http://usa.festivalexpress.com/
I do have to admit, I didn't get that excited about Closing of Winterland though. THen again, I watched it at like 3 in the morning a couple months ago when I was pretty wiped out. I'll give it another go.
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
haven't tracked down that Arista set - 71, eh? I'm more a 72-77 kinda guy, but will check it out - thanks!
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the Ladies and Gentlemen thing is '71 but it's pretty song-oriented. Sort of midway between the psychedelic blow-outs and the Europe '72 stuff. It's a nice, pleasant listen. GREAT version of "Bird Song".
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.
She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.
The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.
― frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Au contraire. Au contraire.
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
i take umbrage with this comment.and so would CCR.
me rawk.you snow.
― eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Help/Slip/Frank rules
― Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Thank You
― Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
Does this new version sound better:Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GREAT LIVE DEAD RECORDINGS. Archive.org and Furthur both have plenty of 1st rate SOUNDBOARD and other high quality recordings.
Download these for starters FOR FREE:
1977-05-08 - "one of the best" (5/7 and 5/9 were good, too)
1972-05-26 - soundboard
1977-05-26 - (same month/day as above, but different year)
1977-11-06 - "one of he best"
1970-05-02 - Harpur College (hard to find, but available as a Dick's Pick if you can't find it as a free download)
1971-04-28(?) - Fillmore East
1971 - Port Chester
1969 - Ark
1973 - Pavillion
1978 - Red Rocks
1973-11-11
1972-05-26
1968-02-14
1969-03-16
1970-02-13
1970-05-06
1981-02-21
1985-04-08
Lots of these are available as soundboard (SBD), just look for it. The Soundboards from 77 were especially high quality.
Sorry the dates are not in chronological order, but I started out doing it highest quality first and then I just went through my discs and chose the best for sound quality and performance. The above represent a good many hours of great live Dead: flub-free, energetic and good singing.
... and YES, I did learn all about bold punctuation from comic books!
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
As far as paying $$...
I think "Go To Nassau" is just FANTASTIC! "Live Without A Net" is way overlooked, too, although I can see why people wouldn't like it. It grows on you, though.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
1977-06-09 - soundboard1977-02-26 - soundboard1977-04-22 - soundboard1969-02-22 - soundboard
all totally killer quality top notch, but I'm not familiar enough to tell apart the 77's yet. I think 06-09 is the one that really is blowing me away lately.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
....wistfully yelling at a green bay packers game through autotune
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:31 (five months ago) Permalink
Bon Packer
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink
how so paul
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:11 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah what is the difference
― flappy bird, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:28 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
virtuoso (like it or not) guitar hero / dreamboat with at least some credibility (or at least name recognition) with the kinda festival attending bros who dig Panic, Phish, Mule, etc vs. sensitive cornball indie rocker not especially known for protracted guitar solos (or solos of any kind for that matter)
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:48 (five months ago) Permalink
i do want to read that new book about the post-Jerry years that just came out, should have some juicy stuff in it. The Rolling Stone mention, not really a review, that I saw (may have been more coverage later) cited the shocking tale of how Lesh and Weir cruelly went Furthur, leaving the other Dead behind. I had previewed a Furthur show in Columbus OH, did a little background, seemed like just another GD sidetrip, like all of 'em have done at one time or another. They had the Garcia clone from Deep Banana Blackout, a couple relatively young but experienced hands on drums and hopefully non-toxic keys, plus the possibility of unlisted guests, as at earlier gigs, non-outrageous ticket prices etc., whole thing seemed okay. Apparently ended when Weir fell down onstage, but that was furthur down the road.A thing on the Phil Zone site in late 90s where he announced that he was disgusted with at least some of the other Dead, the ones who wanted to use the Vault as collateral in a venture with Microsoft, according to him---suppose there might be *some* lasting fallout from the Phil Zone over this, and maybe that's in the book as well.
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:01 (five months ago) Permalink
Oh no, sorry, he wasn't from DBB; this was the crew we got with Lesh and Weir:The original lineup also included John Kadlecik of the Dark Star Orchestra on lead guitar, Jeff Chimenti of RatDog on keyboards, Jay Lane of RatDog on percussion, and Joe Russo of the Benevento/Russo Duo on drums.
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:33 (five months ago) Permalink
Although Lane may have already split? I didn't actually attend, so no idea (assigned a preview, not a review).
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:35 (five months ago) Permalink
Furthur retained much of the characteristic style and texture of the Dead. In addition to performing many of the songs regularly played in concert by the Dead, Furthur tried to "keep it fresh" by routinely adding new material to their setlists. This included many songs resurrected from the Grateful Dead's extensive songbook, including several rarely or never performed live, like "Alice D. Millionaire", as well as several cover songs from bands including the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Band, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Ryan Adams, Van Morrison and the Clash. They also regularly performed some new, original material. Now I wish I'd gone!
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:02 (five months ago) Permalink
Deep Dark Banana Star Blackout Orchestra. (It's hard to keep all them jambands straight...) xxp
― Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink
was there always a vague affinity from jam bands towards the talking heads? it's something i've noticed lately. there's even a band called 'pink talking phish' which i'm sure is just... something
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five months ago) Permalink
Post-Jerry: The Dead > Dead & Co >>> Furthur in my experience. Phil was great but he's nowhere near the player he used to be and Otiel in dead & co is an upgrade with a sweet voice for ballads and having a DSO's Jerry impersonator up front was creepy. My advice is don't let Mayer scare you away, he takes a backseat to Bob and deeply respects the music.
― BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five months ago) Permalink
xp well yeah: http://www.openculture.com/2012/11/watch_phish_play_the_entirety_of_the_talking_heads_iremain_in_lighti_1996.html
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:25 (five months ago) Permalink
How was Trey w Dead & Co. or whatever they were called then?
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:26 (five months ago) Permalink
i was driving lyft the night byrne played mpls and i picked up a carload of jam band dudes from colorado
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:28 (five months ago) Permalink
thanks for picking us up dawg, though we weren't loving the tunes -- did you say it was some band called Loutallica?
― tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:30 (five months ago) Permalink
Vernon is a shy violet with no spine.
this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:33 (five months ago) Permalink
The Dead w/ Warren Hayes >> The Dead w/ Trey. Trey's not bluesy enough to stand in Jerry's shoes.
― BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:43 (five months ago) Permalink
xxxpIn the times I tried (and failed) to get into Phish, it flummoxed me how they loved stuff right in my zone like the Dead, Talking Heads, and VU's Loaded -- yet I could find no way into their own music (including their covers of that stuff).
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:48 (five months ago) Permalink
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're right, I'm only familiar with For Emma, Forever Ago (which I loved), and his wishy-washy Grammy's speech, which was 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't kept up with him.
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 June 2018 16:53 (five months ago) Permalink
i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.
― oiocha, Friday, 29 June 2018 17:28 (five months ago) Permalink
god dicks picks 8 is good, the acoustic set and the other one -> cryptical envelopment -> cosmic charlie -> casey jones -> good lovin (with a really wild driving jam on a track i normally can skip) stretch is insane. trying to make it through every dp on spotify. what a great time to be a dead fan.
― oiocha, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:54 (two months ago) Permalink
― calstars, Saturday, 15 September 2018 04:05 (two months ago) Permalink
i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo
― gbx, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:06 (two months ago) Permalink
i found my two favorite dick's picks at the record shoppe, vols 3 and 4 just sitting there right next to each other :)
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:52 (two months ago) Permalink
this has been me over the last 2 weeks. 45 was the magic number as it turns out.
Dicks Picks 3 has been in constant rotation
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 September 2018 05:15 (two months ago) Permalink
i...don't understand why they ever had two drummers. it makes sense on occasion, certain eras (earlier, especially), and different songs where they play in a complimentary way. but for the most part, whenever i have the chance to watch a grateful dead clip and both billy and mickey are playing, they're pretty much playing the exact same thing. it is weird.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 03:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink
in 68/69 i feel the duo drumming did have good effect, when mickey rejoined after the hiatus i fail to hear anything interesting coming from the pair. they were certainly more dynamic and got into some of my favorite stuff with just bill. that said, i do appreciate that mickey is and was a really far out spacey dude and kept a lot of weirdness present as they got bigger and lamer. this read on the beam is pretty cool even if a lot of it is over my head:
https://www.mickeyhart.net/news/all-about-the-beam-baby-5211
and he seems the most curious and restless member even into the current day-
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2018/01/09/dead-notes-15-the-mickey-hart-interview/
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 04:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Thanks for linking that interview... I skimmed over some chunks of it, but it’s really interesting. Mickey is cool.
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink
holy shit, the beam
i didn't know about ANY of that.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i also have no idea what the beam is about, for the most part, but it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands and everyone else is like "well either we're friends with mickey or paid by him to work on this beam, so fuck yeah the beam"
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcRkeN0lmA4
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink
He should have kicked Mayer in that clip, jfc
― MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 14:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink
https://cmga360arts.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ellen-p1000430.jpg
― Duke, Sunday, 25 November 2018 15:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink
it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands
this is why it’s cool btw
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink
What band title is that Hart beam thing from. Not being paying attention to what they are going out under these days.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 25 November 2018 19:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink
is the amazon series worth watching, btw
anyone
― gbx, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink
see discussion starting here: should i give the grateful dead a chance?
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink
yeah it's good!
― tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink
XXP - It's a treat, definitely!
― MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink
and yeah, i've listened to a fair amount of post 74 Dead and it seems to me that Hart is usually at his best when you forget he's even there. the main argument you could make for him is that he kept the band's experimental edge in the mix on the drums > space situations (which can be the most interesting parts of 80s/90s shows). but in a lot of cases he keeps things in a weird rhythmic zone — too bad, because between 72-74, Kreutzmann was proving himself to be a pretty incredible drummer. After that he's a little bit checked out. But I can only assume he wanted Hart there ...
― tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink