― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
johnny marr was on letterman last night, i think he is trying to be mistaken for noel gallagher. maybe flying nun will licence it for nz.
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 24 January 2003 02:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brg30 (brg30), Friday, 24 January 2003 02:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
So this 3d's show, was it the one at City Limits on the Crooked Rain Tour? That was the last show I saw before moving away from Pittsburgh. And The 3d's destoryedPavement, they shouldn't have even played....
― brg30 (brg30), Friday, 24 January 2003 02:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: Pretty much agree completely brg30's assessment.
― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
uh, there aren't really any more things like that. the crude album that jack mentioned is good tho, if you liked those you'd prob. like that one
― duane, Friday, 24 January 2003 08:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― duane (24 hour troubleshooter), Friday, 24 January 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― huh, Saturday, 25 January 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toe-foo, Sunday, 26 January 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jens (brighter), Sunday, 26 January 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Laney, Sunday, 26 January 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― forbidden or obsolete (24 hour troubleshooter), Sunday, 26 January 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 27 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
matt middleton (crude) has been prolific, and there's a sense of humour in his music lacking in most alt. rock -- and "all electric --the personal tragedy of flooding" and the crude cd "sax sothis" are fun non f.nun outings -- a matt middleton subscriber service & mailing list is needed here
f.nun is operating a bit differently to the south island based independent it used to be -- it belongs to a big multi-national now -- which seems to have produced a change of emphasis, or was it the change of emphasis that led to the need to up-size ?
― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 27 January 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
judging a band on their fans is the lamest thing ever
HOWEVER i do know that when i used to go to their gigs at bodega (ahh bodega, how i miss you!) no one would dance except me. they were brillaint ambient rock attack when they were on. (and dullards elsewhere)
― Laney, Monday, 27 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
loudness is ones of those devices used to overcome listeners, give the impression there is 'something' /anything there -- maybe that 'anything' is what you mean when you say 'ambient', but hdu just use riffs that are loud, old, obvious, slow, vaguely retarded sounding yet h.d.u. try and hide the riffs under excruciatingly loud primitively melodic but excessively irrelevant noise -- the impression given is of a band of deaf drunk noisey mark pauline type industrial robots let loose on each other -- except you can't see robots, just bandmembers moving vaguely to their dopey riffs -- they look as if they're having as much fun as the night shift at some factory in siberia
h.d.u. are just one of a number of grunge-industrial slopover bands that shouldn't be allowed access to the sort of high power tools that allow them to permanently mess with peoples' hearing, as that noise of theirs speaks volumes about their respect for their own ears (so who cares about others, not them) -- (just my opinion, but) i think of them as a self-perpetuating cult industrial accident
― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Earplugs are important at any concert. Ears can be damaged with headphones too, so keep the level reasonable.
How seamlessly they were remixed into gentle tracks, and also the simple beauty, enjoyable at any volume level, of momento mori confirms them as ambient to me.
ambient and wall of sound are certainly not imcompatible as far as my understanding of the concepts go.
― Laney, Monday, 27 January 2003 21:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
i completely disagree with this and yet i can't quite explain why..
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
&re: nz industrial uh I think HDU's moments of "beauty" etc don't fall into the eurotonic whatevah that industrial's moments of beauty do; I'd point more @ skeptics/foetusproductions/headlesschickens for that.
& uh this =>f.nun is operating a bit differently to the south island based independent it used to be -- it belongs to a big multi-national now -- which seems to have produced a change of emphasis, or was it the change of emphasis that led to the need to up-size ?=> is a straw man.
― Ess Kay (esskay), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
looking back at what i rather scathingly wrote about HDU, i think it's my way of addressing that serious pain consistent with their volume -- ok i'm biased or setting up a side complaint here, but since i can't get past the bodily reaction i have to their noise that's rock'n'roll
(oh, why do i have to get the earplugs ? protect myself, ensure that the environment i'm paying for is actually safe for humans ? if earplugs are mandatory at hdu, then there's a band seriousley out of touch with its audience, not listening)
and i haven't experienced the mixes you mention SK, and might eventually get around to their albums, but what volume and conditions should i set ? it would be nice to think they are a good band of course, but this high dependence thing is a serious credibility hike for some it would seem (i think that's their business, although i can see how pain threshold might be something the audience worries about, even if no-one else cares)
― george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
hmmn I always took the "High Dependency Unit" as (either) self-deflating or whatever re : taking their name from Shortland Street; didn't read anymore into it.
lately I've been using hdu as uh background music when reading janet frame etc in bed - at low volume it's ambient/new-age/dreamy/spacey etc; at high volumes it can be (insert-usual-descriptions-of-HDU-here) but that can be said of My Bloody Valentine or perhaps even Merzbow. There's actually a lot of SPACE (not-planetary-sense) in their music - i'd make connections with the uh nz dub consciousness, emptiness of the land, blah blah curnow 30s lit stuff & that - it's not as DENSE as perhaps portrayed. also their drummer is very moonman & interesting, like's he's drumming in zero-G or something. also i have not heard their early stuff.
my earlier comment about HDU not being wall-of-noise was when there were fairly stringent noise control restrictions => hdu's desire for MAX VOLUME are self-defeating sigh)
um & I haven't been to lots of rock gigs & stuff compared to say clubs (ie WHERE'S THE BASS?); & being young & (maybe) resilient the volume thing doesn't really affect me yet.
(uh apologies for incoherence)
― Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 02:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
earplugs = concerts are often loud = i believe i should protect my hearing
― Laney, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
although there are frequently associations of people and events when we think of music, and that helps make up our personal likes and dislikes. but if we're going to talk about the music, then that stuff is irrelevant.
ok, this sounds more difficult to back up the more i say anything. but, i could say something like... errr... i think that bob marley made some good records but i can't divorce his music from stoopid stoners so i don't like bob marley records.
― Laney, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 30 January 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 30 January 2003 01:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― duane, Thursday, 30 January 2003 01:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 30 January 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 30 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
01. The Clean - Anything Could Happen02. Bored Games - Bridesmaid03. Doublehappys - Needles And Plastic04. Gordons - Adults And Children05. Children's Hour - Carolines Dream06. Verlaines - Death and the Maiden07. The Great Unwashed - Neck Of The Woods08. The Chills - Pink Frost09. Sneaky Feelings - Husband House10. Look Blue Go Purple - Cactus Cat11. Bird Nest Roys - Alien12. The Bats - North By North13. Skeptics - Agitator14. Snapper - Buddy15. Tall Dwarfs - Nothing's Going To Happen16. Straitjacket Fits - She Speeds17. Able Tasmans - Hold Me 118. The Cakekitchen - Dave The Pimp19. Headless Chickens - Gaskrankinstation20. S.P.U.D. - Breakdown Town21. David Kilgour - You Forget22. Chris Knox - Not Given Lightly23. The Renderers - Bigger Than Texas24. J.P.S. Experience - Precious25. 3Ds - Hey Seuss26. Dribbling Darts Of Love - Hey Judith27. Bailterspace - Splat28. Bike - Save My Life29. Garageland - Fingerpops30. Solid Gold Hell - Bitter Nest31. Superette - Touch Me32. Loves Ugly Children - Voodoo Girl33. Bressa Creeting Cake - Palm Singing34. The Subliminals - The Crystal Chain35. Betchadupa - Spill The Light36. HDU - Schallblute37. The D4 - Exit To The City38. The Hasselhoff Experiment - Drag Racer39. Stephen Malkmus - Death and the Maiden40. PanAm - Interstate Boy41. The Mint Chicks - Post No Bills
― etc, Monday, 3 May 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 3 May 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link
I'd be interested to read a complete videography for FN - I wonder if "Duane Eddy" had a video, &c&c&c.
― etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link
haha thee Nun have been pursuing a few bands who would rather remain independent (& considering that's happened to the Munt Chux, I'm not surprised).
― etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
at least they're not the ch3cks, haha.
― etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― etc, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh my God, I just heard Loves Ugly Children's "Space Suit" for the first time ever on Pandora.
Where the hell can I find more like this
― "It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Drunk!" (kingfish), Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
that song is a bit unique in their catalogue (it's pretty special) but there are a few on their first FN lp that are in the ballpark
― boner m (electricsound), Saturday, 15 December 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
Another amazing track from them is "Suck".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceh4ZK5m6P4
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, i need more of this. Gotta have more of that sorta Husker/MBV/Dino Jr guitar swirl and noise. Japandroids' "Younger Us" gets is right, too.
Also, Flying Nun doesn't have their shit on iTunes yet, fer some reason.
― "It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Drunk!" (kingfish), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
FLYING NUN TO PARTNER WITH CAPTURED TRACKS ON REISSUE PROGRAM "Stoked" is the word I believe best describes how we feel about working on the Flying Nun back catalogue this year. Captured Tracks and Flying Nun have partnered up to manufacture and distribute the prestigious New Zealand label's back-catalog. Flying Nun began in 1981 in Christchurch, NZ and quickly established a roster of artists and DiY ethic that would go on to influence indie rock musicians and labels to the present day. Featuring such vanguard artists as The Chills, The Clean, Tall Dwarfs, The Verlaines, The Bats and countless others, the label made a huge impression on US and European underground music despite its geographically isolated locale. Original founder Roger Shepherd bought back the rights to the label from WB in late 2009 which has ultimately led to Brooklyn label Captured Tracks' involvement. The partnership will release a slew of currently out of print titles, including many of the label's most prominent and most obscure releases. These will range from from their earliest releases through to their early 1990's material. Starting with the 2xLP Toy Love (pre-Tall Dwarfs/Bats) compilation that was recently issued in NZ, future projects include boxed sets, expanded reissues of 12" EP's, 7"s, LP's on all formats as well as posters, shirts and various other items from Flying Nun's deep archives. "We at Captured Tracks are beyond ecstatic to work with Flying Nun Records for this series of reissues. As a young record collector, I always saw the label as a recommendation of quality and a constant source of inspiration. I would comb the shelves of every record store imaginable to secure anything and everything I could find. When I first heard the news that they'd bought back the rights, this partnership was something that was lingering in the back of my mind. I'm more than pleased that we can have any sort of involvement in revitalizing this amazing back catalog and returning it to record shelves the world over." -Mike Sniper (Captured Tracks Founder) "We at Flying Nun are super pleased to be setting up shop with Captured Tracks, who have recently been releasing some of the most exciting new music around. We think this brilliantly compliments Flying Nun's 30 years of releasing some of the most interesting bands to come out of the remote south pacific. I can't wait to get my teeth into helping people discover and rediscover some of these records." -Ben Howe (Flying Nun Label Manager)
― wump, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
So is everything getting on iTunes, hopefully, right?
― "It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Drunk!" (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
Did anyone pick up the "Tally Ho" and "Time To Go" compilations? Some stuff I don't have, lots that's overly familiar. What would y'all put on a rarities comp? I mean not just rare for rare's sake but genuinely great, overlooked tracks.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 02:06 (ten years ago) link
I saw Time To Go at a shop the other weekend and now I'm kicking myself over not buying it.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 02:07 (ten years ago) link
time to go looks cool. i think i have most if not all of tally ho on various other releases. i don't know how much there really is in the way of "great, overlooked" tracks but i always felt jean-paul sartre experience should get more retrospective attention and the vast swathe of uncomped FN 45s needs more love (which the wendy broccoli comp attempted to chip away at a little bit of)
― Im am... gobsacked (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 02:19 (ten years ago) link
time to go is pretty great. this was my fav song on it would love to hear more of this band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEc1awTPPyU
― flopson, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
Time To Go is epic. I highly, highly recommend it. Mike Sniper posted about the tentative future plans for the FN reissues on Captured Tracks over at some other message board or something (he starts with referencing a Gordons 3x12" that is for RSD apparently:
Yeah, the RSD thing is just a one-off, it's not all going to be limited edition.There'll be a Bats singles/unreleased multi-volume set. Snapper have no extra material and we didn't want to pack out an LP with live cuts, so we thoughtthis was a good way of reissuing.
Toy Love: The NZ reissue was already doing $100 on eBay and was never properlydistro'ed in the 'States/UK/EU and it was ready, so it was a good first one for us to do.It's still expensive because the booklet is crazy, it SHOULD be in stores for $25-$28 butI can't control mark-ups above wholesale. Certain stores will obviously pay more in shipping and the cost will be reflected.
We are debating all kinds of ways to tackle the back-catalog.
It's true, certain bands have agreements with Flying Nun and some don't. We're not really in the mix with those arrangements, but we're certainly encouraging.
To answer some of your questions, we are doing expanded reissues when the cost to the consumerof three separate Look Blue Go Purple 12" EP's (an example, this isn't ready just yet, but it will happen) would run them $36 when we can do a 2xLP with extrastudio tracks and try to get it to them for $22-$25. The full art of each 12" will be included when that's the case.
We are definitely doing the "mainstream" acts like Verlaines, Bats, Chills, Clean but we're also doing stuff like Birds Nest Roys, Ballon D'Essai, etc. It's a really long process and the reason why a lot of the stuff you'll see early on is "common" is because it's ready to release.
The revenue we draw in from those releases will really help do all the obscure stuff that I want to do as much as you.
We will be doing LP boxed sets, but no one will be "forced" to purchase the full boxed set. It'll be more "build your own" so you don't have to drop$250 to get what you want on vinyl. This is the plan, at least. Especially when tackling the huge Tall Dwarfs/Chris Knox catalog. The man has tons oftapes of his own recordings and recording other bands (and yes, The Enemy is definitely in the radar.)
Bored Games: Shayne is sitting on amazing unreleased songs he doesn't want to release, but we're planning on doing the 12" EP as is.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 04:30 (ten years ago) link
Time To Go : Crazy Good.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
Time To Go is probably the most, uh, well-curated compilation Flying Nun have ever released at any point in their history, to be honest. Big fan of "Russian Rug" &c.
― etc, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 05:30 (ten years ago) link
Any idea if those Captured Tracks releases will be available digitally?
Also, just ran across an article that said Ben Howe has taken over from Roger Shepard. Anyone know the scoop?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
gotta get time to go!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
Added it to my want list.
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
Aiieee, that tracklisting looks great
― acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
The Chills song is especially good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmy1S-08kw
― acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link
Ben Howe has taken over as 'General Manager' of Flying Nun - operations moved to AKL - sharing space or building with Arch Hill recordings - Roger Shephard still involved with label as 'consultant and shareholder' - whatever that means.
Info here: http://thecorner.co.nz/2012/09/19/changes-on-the-way-for-flying-nun-records/
Anyhow hopefully this means a smoother operation and more music. Sharpie Crows (on F Nun) and Street Chant (On Arch Hill) are pretty great. Popstrangers a bit of a rudux for my tastes but make pretty slick facsimilies of that 90's sound.
― Hinklepicker, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 08:20 (ten years ago) link
So.... they're not Flying Nun, but I thought this would be the best place to draw attention to the Popstrangers LP on Carpark. Plenty of NZers excited about this release. Best NZ pop single since the Chills' Heavenly pop hit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQs6rGE_1cc
Given that Popmatters (yeah...) shit themselves with excitement over this, I thought there'd at least be some discussion:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/167655-popstrangers-antipodes/
I say: really really really good.
― paulhw, Friday, 12 July 2013 02:08 (ten years ago) link
Looks like both the Clean's Vehicle and a Bird Nest Roys comp are out this week! Especially glad about the former cos I played my old copy a couple of months back and it skipped all over the place. Great album too!
― trippin' on brostep beats (NickB), Friday, 2 August 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Vehicle is one of the all-time great strummy guitar albums, up there with Wedding Present and Unrest.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
I disagree! I strongly believe it pisses all over those guys
― trippin' on brostep beats (NickB), Friday, 2 August 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
It's truly great...and forthcoming review somewhere soon.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
good news - vehicle might be my fave clean release, even moreso than the early stuff. amazing guitar sound.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
listening to it now, oh man, it is so good. best band.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Oh come on, those strummy Wedding Present and Unrest albums are awesome, there's room for everyone here.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
pl don't bespoil this thread w/ the wedding pres
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
(people don't like prime Wedding Present? Bizarro.)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
Oh don't worry, there are plenty of WP fans who love the Clean too.
Personally, I found Vehicle not as compelling as the early stuff and have a real soft spot for Modern Rock!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link
Yep - agree with Gerald M-B. I like Vehicle of course but it does not have the dark, anarchic kind of vibe that early Clean has - would like to see Compilation reissued with this kind of lavish treatment personally.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 3 August 2013 01:03 (ten years ago) link
Isn't the first disc of Anthology a complete set of early Clean? That's my go-to over Compilation.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 3 August 2013 01:41 (ten years ago) link
Modern Rock has "Secret Place," right? That's a nice song. "Vehicle" I always thought was where Robert's Bats-y writing started to be just as prominent as Kilgour's writing, imo.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 August 2013 01:42 (ten years ago) link
I find Anthology unwieldy - I like the more concise and more coherent nature of Compilation - I think most of the tracks from the earlier volume are on the latter though. Anthology has too many of those goofy song experiments on it for me.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 3 August 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
Cosign on preferring Compilation to Anthology ("Art School"!); was a Singles Going Steady kinda comp for lots of Kiwis.
Anyway, new & v.v.v.good on F.Nun is the new Sharpie Crows, though it's more in the line of the Skeptics/Gordons end of the label's history. Also: Skeptics documentary, Sheen of Gold at this year's film festival!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PRHndjg2Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX2u7CQSQlU
― etc, Monday, 5 August 2013 11:54 (ten years ago) link
Skeptics doco looks great. I didn't like that Sharpie Crows 'Spread' tune so much but the new one Bully 4 You is wicked amazingness.
http://www.undertheradar.co.nz/music/1084/Bully-4-U.utr
Also check new Chills - no longer with F Nun I think but always with them anyway.
https://soundcloud.com/#firerecords/the-chills-molten-gold
Promising signs I think - hopefully Martin can get his stuff togethor to actually release a proper album. Everyone else is doing it - why can't he?
― Hinklepicker, Monday, 5 August 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
Hinklepicker square otm here, only non Compilation Anthology track I really love is Platypus, but Art School/Hold Onto the Rail omissions are unforgivable.
Odditties version of Thums Off is p great imo though.
― chicken (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 11:12 (ten years ago) link
I love "Some Fantasy" by DoubleHappys.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 November 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
So obviously not really Flying Nun, but there's no Toy Love specific thread so -- sad news to report about Jane Walker's passing:
https://www.facebook.com/AudioCultureNZ/photos/a.506398366094767/1934325256635397/?type=1&theater
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link