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can someone do the same description thing Sterling just did for Ghost?

I love Ghost too, btw. I don't think D&N are boring, but I think their last record is a bit pointless and well, no more than nice- ish.

To go abruptly off topic - Tortoise = blankness? Just wanted to say the first track on TNT is as exhilirating as anything I've ever heard. Of course I've lived most of my life in a disused abbatoir in a Venezuelan border town.

Pete, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The only Ghost I've heard is on the Damon & Naomi album, but as Tom (I think) suggested, that album is 95% D&N, so I doubt it's a fair representation of Ghost. Still, they intrigue me. Is it true that the band live in adandonned temples and train stations? Or is that just a bit of enigmatic self-mythologizing?

alex in nyc, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love Ghost, and I even like DN w/Ghost in small doses. However, I saw DN w/Ghost at Terrastock a few years back and Damon pissed me off to no end by going off into this diatribe about how their music was more pure and real than the music that djs make. Ahem.

Is it just one of those things where men named Damon are annoying by default?

Nicole, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I dunno - Damon out of Brookside was quite nice. Whatever happened to his TV presenting career?

I think names with annoying associations must work in a vicious circle. I mean only a complete arsehole would call their baby 'Damon' if they lived in Britain today. So all the new Damons will be brought up by arseholes and will become arseholes themselves most probably. And then er... the circle stops becuase they aren't going to call their own arsehole progeny Damon as well unless they are serious cockfarmers. Sorry.

Nick, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oddly enough, I was at that same Terrastock show and I don't remember that rant at all! I must have happily blotted it from my mind (or else I was just watching Tom Rapp warm up in the side room). Suffice to say that while Dean Wareham has been justly slammed for his increasing rock star behavior towards the end of Galaxie 500, I don't think any of the three are the type I'd necessarily want to hang around with!

When I saw D/N and Ghost last year at another Terrastock, Ghost definitely added some loveliness to the proceedings. Then Ghost on its own blew down the venue walls with a 13-minute 'fuck you' because everyone had to leave by a certain time. Ergo, Ghost wins. ;-)

On record, meanwhile -- again, Ghost over D/N. Who are pleasant enough, have their moments I guess, etc. But that's about it. Midrange craft with whispery breathing mistaken as depths. Hm.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I too was suckered into buying the DN+G album because Ghost was on it - I wanted a Ghost album and could never find any around. And anyway Chris Barrus said it was really good. The production is pristine, fanstastic. The music makes me want to beat people up, particularly Damon.

Josh, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
*revive*

crikey! pete asking a question abt ghost! Tom listening to the 'batoh comp'! those were 'the days'.

I got 'temple stone' through a CDR deal. If you dig psych folk from the likes of the incredible string band and like yr krautrock this could be up yr street but there is something unsatisfying abt it. its alright but I actually prefer che-shizu and taj mahal travellers is far better than either, i guess.

''Other PSF highlights: Fushitsusha and Haino, obviously, and the related Lost Aaraaf ... aw, fuck it, my rack of Japanese improv is upstairs. Nearly everything on PSF is good, so long as it's not solo sax.''

wah!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 29 June 2003 08:41 (twenty years ago) link

I like Ghost. Midieval Japanese hippies tripping on 'shrooms is just my sort of thing though.

PSF in general is great, though I haven't particularly cared for the much-lauded Kan Mikami from the little I have heard. Perhaps in a diffrent mood I would. Search Exias-J.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 29 June 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

chance to check out a full Ghost live radio session:

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/5470

I agree, Kurihara is a real powerhouse in the band, but I think the entire sum of the parts is equally amazing... just terrific live.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

Saw them open for Damon & Naomi in Hoboken about 5 years ago. They (Ghost) were amazing. Never heard any of their recordings, though.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I thought Whoopi Goldberg was pretty overrated.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I saw their 1st album in the sale in HMV in Oxford Street about a month ago - reduced from Β£18.99 to Β£1.99. However, given that I am forever picking up highly rated Japanese bands in sales and forever finding them to be utter shite, I didn't buy it. On returning to the shop at the weekend I was surprised to see it still there, so, against my better judgement, I bought - and I like it! The word I would use to describe is nice.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

ha! you like something I'm not as keen on. that fits somehow.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't it just?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

Ghost were one of the top bands at Terrastock in Boston. But even they couldn't save Damon and Naomi from that painful set.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

See, Mr. Noodles, this is why we LEFT. Avoiding Tom Rapp and D/N in favor of a fine Italian meal with Mr. Barrus, Gareth and Matos = a vast improvement. But yes, the actual Ghost set itself = tres genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
What do we think of Snuffbox Immanence? I saw it pretty cheap at the record store the other day, and I quite like Hypnotic Underworld, but Tune In, Turn On, Free Tibet a bit less, probably because of the 34 minute closer, which has nice bits that could have been built into awesome tunes but instead just kind of meander aimlessly.

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

A super nice album.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I know what Ned thinks, but what about the rest of you?

S: Lhasa Lhasa from Tune In, Turn On..., Piper and Holy High from Hypnotic Underworld

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"Regenesis" on Snuffbox has to be one of the most beautiful songs of the last five years, no?

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

If I'm remembering it right, Snuffbox is lovely. It's got quite a light and airy feel to it, kind of like some delicately stoned medieval chamber prog, but the tunes are maybe a little more tightly focussed than similar stuff off previous albums. Lots of the songs are based round acoustic guitars, flutes and indeed glockenspiels, though Kurihara does pop up quite a bit to add his considerable electric clout.

It's also got a great cover of the Stones' "Live With Me" on it, which for me is highly noteworthy for being one of the few songs my wife will actively insist that I play her.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i stood outside a show of theirs in philadelphia once, waiting for someone. and then, in boston, some people went to the show, and i didnt. i didnt really know about them. i still dont, but, if i buy lama rabi rabi, or another one, this weekend, then hopefully i will.

so, which one should i buy?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

you should get hypnotic underworld, i think.

lama rabi rabi is patchy patchy patchy. snuffbox immanence is good though. DON'T buy Ghost with Damon & Naomi.

Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Just saw them tonight. GREAT live.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 27 September 2004 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"We are Ghost from the Far East."

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"We are Ghost from the Far East."

ditto. they were awesome. they exited the khyber (philly) through the door behind the stage. it was the first time i saw a band do that so they could re-enter for an encore. it's a shame more people didn't come out for the show.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

They are always great in Philly! Well, okay, I've only seen them twice in philly, but they were great then. The show upstairs at the troc back around the time of snuffbox is still on my top ten live shows ever list!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't heard their previous, but HYPNOTIC UNDERWORLD is very good. Still have to fast fwd past first track, but the rest just grows on me me more and more. Any compentent muso can be eclectic, but all these different bits are so well-timed! Like the best style-sequences of Comets On Fire's BLUE CATHEDRAL Umphrey McGee's ANCHOR DROPS, but not, in effect, but not literally: Ghost's influences are different. "Hazy Paradise"(a Dutch song, from early 70s, I think) is kind of Jimmy Webb/Bryan Maclean, but not as icky as they could be; piano sections remind of Pharoah Sanders's LIVE AT THE EAST, other pasts like if Donovan had continued developing his work with Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page; Japanese refs. like Benzaiten and Stomu Yomashita's Red Buddah Theater. But none of this is lifted (I doubt that that the orig."Hazy Paradise" has a Japanese accent, which tends to resist the more emotive faux-Scott-Walker phrasing which I suspect this song might bring out in Westerners).

Don A, Monday, 27 September 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

you forgot amon duul 2, don. i always hear them in ghost. especially on the new one.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The members of Ghost all have really nice hair!

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Seein them Saturday with Six Organs of Admittance. really lookin forward to it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, I thought Whoopi Goldberg was pretty overrated.

Would you believe I clicked on this thread just now, not realizing I'd already posted on it, to make another Whoopi Goldberg joke?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, their own hazy paradise (lowercase habitat as well as that song) is also steamy, dirty, like a real forest (incl, in the back corner of the pasture, down toward the bottom of the ravine, speaking of shrooms.) Was very glad to first hear this as antidote to cable debut of LORD OF THE RINGS: digitalized, sanitary fronds, incl. Ian McKellan's "hair" eeewwww

Don, Monday, 27 September 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone heard the Holy High 7"? I *think* it came out quite a long time before _Hypnotic Underworld_ so I was wondering whether it might be totally different.

Also: jealous beyond words of all you lot for seeing them. Dont think theyve ever played in Britain.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought new zealand looked really pretty in lord of the rings! i've only seen the first one though.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(X-post) Yeah, it's a totally different version. Must have been around '95 or so. It's very good.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

did i see somewhere that someone has reissued the batoh now sound records? (i have them and like them a lot. good if you like the folky side of ghost.) or maybe those were other records that have been reissued.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Batoh's solo stuff is great. As is Cosmic Invention. And Sweet Honey.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I said this on another thread i think, but people who go and see ghost when they are in full-on rock mode -as opposed to temple bell insense mode- are almost always impressed. Live they are such an amazing tight rock & roll beast. god, i could watch them play forever.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The Batoh stuff is out again on Drag City. Its those two 90s albums reissued.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

that's cool. more people should hear those.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolutely, and a timely reissue too. Fits nicely alongside some of the folksy stuff that DC have been punting out of late. Except better obv.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If had to choose between their (or most people's) heavy vs. folky, would def. choose the heavy.What's their heaviest?? I want that before Batoh, whatever it is.

Don, Monday, 27 September 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

get lama rabi rabi, don. if you like the new one, you will like that one too.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Somehow had the idea that TURN ON TUNE IN FREE TIBET was mostly pretty good heavy? Judging by descriptions somewhere.

Don, Monday, 27 September 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

lotsa long jams. get that one too.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

turn on tune in... is mostly not heavy at all. there's one long 30 minute track at the end, and even that's not terribly heavy...

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Snuffbox a whole lot more than turn on, but maybe just cuz i listen to it a lot more. they came out at exactly the same time didn't they? I think don is just looking for acid mother temple records!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

les rallizes denudes! false grail???

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

wuzza? ian, have you ever heard marble sheep? you would love that shit.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Does any girlfriend not?

for the record my wife has no time for Elton John, except for that duet with Kiki Dee, which she really enjoys for some inexplicable reason

glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 August 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

don't go breaking shakey's wife's heart

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 16 August 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

oh gosh

AND THEN GUITAR (zorn_bond.mp3), Monday, 16 August 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

In light of this alleged Swedish Ghost now getting attention for their new album can we celebrate the real one, please. (Also, anyone catch Batoh's solo tour?)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

played hypnotic underworld earlier this week -- still dope

i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, what were those solo batoh shows like?

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I missed the one that happened here in SF, I think my bro hosted one down south in JT tho

"smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Only just seen that Batoh is doing a few solo dates in Europe this month:

6/14/12 Barcelona
6/15/12 Hasselt
6/17/12 Geneva
6/18/12 Brighton
6/19/12 London

Pretty excited about seeing him, never managed to catch him or Ghost before (could be wrong but I think that Ghost only ever played at most just a couple of shows in the UK)

You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 08:30 (eleven years ago) link

saw ghost in glasgow a few years ago, spectacularly stupid review here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/may/22/popandrock1

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 08:34 (eleven years ago) link

Oh ffs, where do you even start with that one?

You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 08:39 (eleven years ago) link

well yes, that is stupid.

i saw them at atp around then too, besides that i don't recall them visiting here since i've known them. i think kurihara did a tour with damon & naomi? but yes. rare visitors. i don't know about on the rest of the dates, but the london one will see batoh do 'brain pulse music', which presumably means a performance on his new brain wave-controlled instrument: http://www.dragcity.com/products/brain-pulse-music-machine

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 11:56 (eleven years ago) link

well the moment i say that ghost are rare visitors i have last.fm recommend me this:

Monday 11 June 2012
Metal Hammer Golden Gods
Anthrax, Sabaton, Biohazard, Ghost, Watain
The indigO2
London,
United Kingdom

hmm...

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:01 (eleven years ago) link

swedish ghost

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link

(ya, them and i think a dubstep ghost pop up in my recommendations all the time.)

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:08 (eleven years ago) link

Yeha, fucking Swedish metal Ghost keeps confusing me. Stop touring, Swedish Ghost! You should have googled, you doofuses.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link

Every once in a while I will see news about Ghost pop up online and I get excited until I read and find out it is Swedish Ghost that is being discussed.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

aw i came in to talk Swedish Ghost

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link

BEGONE.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

Sadly the Batoh gig last night fell a bit flat. Very low attendance (about 15 people including the support acts) and quite a short set (felt like it was only about 20 mins long!) and Batoh seemed to be having a few technical issues with the circuits that his brain pulse machine was plugged into. That said, I was quite surprised by the music the device generated. Hadn't heard the record and was expecting soothing drones or something (I read somewhere that it was being looked at for use in medical treatment), but what we actually got was like a flip-flop sequence of quiet momemnts punctuated by loud shrieks and blocks of quite agressive tones that sounded a lot like early electronic music. Not a big surprise I guess considering that the brain pulse machine was being fed into a couple of oscillators and some sort of feedback loop. Good while it lasted, but I left feeling a litle glum :(

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link

Awww, shit. I really wanted to go but only found out about it at the weekend, and already had tickets for the Damo show tonight...

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:08 (eleven years ago) link

Aww too bad! Did you see the promo video for it? Looks right up yr alley!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4Mge8nLMw

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:09 (eleven years ago) link

OT but I forgot almost the best bit of the whole evening: I saw A HEDGEHOG walking down the pavement in Beaconsfield Villas on my way home! Alive and snuffling about and everything - amazing!

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link

Reading a few tweets and it looks like he also only played for twenty minutes or so in London last night. What's up with that? Should have brought a guitar on tour with him as well.

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

five years pass...

reissues/remasters with bonus tracks

https://www.discogs.com/label/1286154-Ghost-Future-Archives

brimstead, Saturday, 22 July 2017 05:38 (six years ago) link

<3

Dancing on the Pylons, Saturday, 22 July 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

!!!

sleeve, Saturday, 22 July 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

yeah! we're riding, forthcoming from the outside

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 01:10 (six years ago) link

no from the inside

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link

<3

πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link

best band

πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link

Just realized I had already post "<3" here in July. What else can I say about Ghost? Best band.

I'm about to order the new Live in Providence 2006 archival release. It has their Terrastock 6 show -- the first time I ever visited the States! Memories! And what an amazing set they played!

πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:06 (six years ago) link

*posted

πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:06 (six years ago) link

It was, and I was right up front for it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nedraggett/albums/72057594118514974

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:20 (six years ago) link

Wow had no idea there were any archival releases!

sleeve, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link

It was, and I was right up front for it.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, September 11, 2017 10:18 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nedraggett/albums/72057594118514974

― Ned Raggett, Monday, September 11, 2017 10:20 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Awesome. I remember being close enough to the front and center (maybe second or third row?) to be slightly worried about Batoh's marvelous "springer" device -- I think he let the spring go at some point? Anyway, amazing stuff and I can't wait for the album to arrive!

πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Thursday, 14 September 2017 02:28 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

best band

― πŸ”± Holger Jowday ^πŸŒ‘^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Monday, September 11, 2017 7:03 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Not sure if this was ever posted on ILM but Batoh interview by Will Oldham:

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2015/03/31/will-oldham-interviews-masaki-batoh/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

bump

missed this 2020 solo LP by Batoh but it is great

https://masakibatoh.bandcamp.com/album/smile-jesus-loves-you

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 21 April 2023 16:56 (eleven months ago) link


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