which is actually better 'apocalypse now' or 'apocalypse now : redux' ?

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Yeah the "Redux" additions range from negligible to irritating to awful.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Pity they could have excised Marlon's character completely and replaced him with someone who ya know gave a shit.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the seduction scene at the plantation.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I got Redux for my birthday three or four years ago, and still haven't taken it out of the wrapper.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i hated redux so much it made me hate the original!

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder what ppl who hate the ending would like to replace it with?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i have come the realization that i dont like most films from the 70s. does this revoke my film snob membership?

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"i wonder what ppl who hate the ending would like to replace it with?"

SOMETHING GOOD WITHOUT MARLON BRANDO!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Not liking films from the 70s is crazee though. By far my favorite American film decade.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i know! i feel like i just came out of the closet.

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i like loads of films from the 70s but it does get a bit overrated at times, i could do without hearing about that "easy riders raging bulls" bullshit for the rest of my life.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the plantation scene just killed the movie's momentum i found.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

dont use past tense

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i was referring specifically to when i saw the movie.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

the original, but wow: how can you separate the Brando-Kurtz denouement from Coppola's conceptualization? The film was a mess at the script stage; no amount of salvaging would have saved it. At its best it's a fantastic mess.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Redux. Do I need to?

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

nah

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

ok!

I'm suddenly realizing how short life is, I think.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"how can you separate the Brando-Kurtz denouement from Coppola's conceptualization?"

Clearly Coppola did not conceive of Marlon Brando weighing six-billion pounds and having to be shot entirely in shadow so I think it's pretty easy to separate them.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah man, let me tell you. oh Bela Tarr, i hope we rendezvous in heaven. (xp)

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

The sacred cows are shaking in their...hoofs(?)!

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

http://citypages.com/databank/22/1081/article9770.asp

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys are crazy. i can't believe i'm the only one here to find redux so much better/complete than the other one (which was only like it is because it had to be showed at cannes and they were very late).

― Poison(Ivy) (PoisonIvy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly Coppola did not conceive of Marlon Brando weighing six-billion pounds and having to be shot entirely in shadow so I think it's pretty easy to separate them.

Even if he looked like Paul Newman, the Brando sequences are, written and filmed, portentious, ponderous, and camp.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

True, but I think part of the reason they were written and filmed that way was because they had to "cover-up" the fact that Brando looked like he'd been having two cheeseburger lunchers at Chez Excessive rather than starving in the jungle and terrorizing the Viet-Cong.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Chez Excessive but you wait HOURS for a table.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Not when you are Marlon. They clear out the entire back part of the dining for him.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Brando scenes in the original, myself. My problems are more with the ideas expressed by the movie in general (as spelled out in the link above), even by some of the best scenes.

I also like the way Redux moves and feels with the extra footage (especially the sex), but the Plantation scene is ludicrous as history and politics.

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly, the best version of Apocalypse Now is Hearts Of Darkness

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

My friend who is like Dr. Morbius' age mentioned that the inhabitants of the plantation are supposed to be ghosts when we briefly chatted about this a few weeks ago... I'm like "Link pls/YSI?" but we were in the middle of a dank LES dive bar.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly, the best version of Apocalypse Now is Hearts Of Darkness

OTMFM

"I swallowed a bug!" = pure poetry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Carmine Coppola's score is not present in this version.

ooh, i like the sound of that version!

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Redux is not good, the added scenes add nothing except a little soft-core porn and just make the film even more unwieldy than it already was. (I'm wondering whether director's cuts are ever as good as the original, except in flagrant cases of studio-butchering).

Even if he looked like Paul Newman, the Brando sequences are, written and filmed, portentious, ponderous, and camp.

Although on reflection I accept all that, I still think those scenes work. Some of the campness in fact makes it all the more menacing.

― jz, Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Only just saw Redux for the first time tonight. Can't say the plantation scene bothered me much; it's a nice little breather in fact. It'd been so long since I'd seen the original that I didn't even recognize that the other new stuff was even new. 200 and some mins is quite a butt numbing length, though, and AN is already a draining enough experience as it is. Still, can't really say I have a preference of one over the other.

Also, young Fishburn = CUTE!

― this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Saturday, 22 September 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

i remember hating the plantation scene and the ending, but except for those flaws, I love this movie!

― did drake invent yolo (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 22 September 2012 05:37 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

fucking thing looks absolutely incredible in 1080/BluRay; a fact i only realized this week.

― piscesx, Saturday, 17 June 2017 10:14 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

well, he's right

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/aug/09/francis-ford-coppola-apocalypse-now-is-not-an-anti-war-film

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 August 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link

Off to see the new 4K Final Cut 'with Dolby Atmos' tonight on the tallest IMAX screen in the uk! Most excited i've been for a revival for a long time. The removal of the dreaded extended Playboy bunnies sequence seems to be going down well.

― piscesx, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link

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