Great 20th Century Embarassments: The Mid-90's Swing Revival (A confessional thread)

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (67 of them)
Like a whole other century. *flees*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6302805392.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Oh, another one: I saw this piece of shit AT THE THEATER (It was a date, though, and she wanted to see it.) It sucked. "Swing Heil!" they yelled at the stormtroopers as they were hauled off.

andy --, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

In 1997, I played a JAZZ GIG at a swing dance and scatted. Into a microphone. There. I said it.

jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The Lounge revival was much better IMO.

OTM!

TS: Cherry Poppin' Daddies vs. Combustible Edison

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i liked swing kids (noah wyle as a hard on enducing nazi might have something to do w. this)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

flasks aren't swing.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, jer I was into ska but not this shit!!!

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

No, flasks are universal. It's when you're wearing suspenders and toting a cigarette case that they're very wrong, unless you Kurt Weil or something.

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

damn, the only thing i hated more than ska was this! i was a boring curmudgeon even then.

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I like swing, but the 90's revival just seemed more like the retro aspect of rockabilly digging a little deeper than swing to me.

Andy, I use a cigarette case so as not to ruin the line of my jacket and if I'm wearing suspenders it's cause I'm also wearing a vest.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I gave the first or maybe second Royal Crown Revue album a positive review in Rolling Stone; may have reviewed the Cherry Poppin Daddies album somewhere too. (Request, maybe? I'd have to go back and check my files.) I hated the CPD's retarded name, but I thought their hit single was okay. Both bands kinda reminded of the Blasters, and of ska bands I didn't totally hate. Went to a couple swing-revival events at Silk City in Philly to drink beer. Didn't dance, because I didn't want to fall flat on my face, but didn't look down at people who did. In fact, I was kind of envious of them, in a way. (Though not of their silly clothes. I may have worn a sportjacket though.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon -- I know, but I was hoping you'd reference Char1ie! Or Bi11ings!

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised swing-revival/ska-revival crossover acts haven't reared their ugly heads yet.

Swing-dancing is classic and all the girls who mixed flapper, greaser and swing/WWII fashion were also very classic.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(what it really was, in rcr's and cpds' case anyhow, was a jump blues revival -- more clearly indebted to, say, cab calloway or louis jordan than to glen miller or whoever. which was fine with me. i had never hated joe jackson's jumpin jive album either, so what the heck.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Apologists!!

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh gawd someone will get shot if they DARE to re-revive this swing-/ska-revival shit. the siamese twins of suck-assedness.

p.s. 70s bowie was a 50s revivalist?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i did kinda like combustible edison when they were christmas, though.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the rolling stone royal crown revue review:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/_/id/94697/royalcrownrevue?pageid=rs.Artistcage&pageregion=triple1

(I had no use for the lounge revival at all though. Even Esquivel!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

oh gawd someone will get shot if they DARE to re-revive this swing-/ska-revival shit. the siamese twins of suck-assedness.

Since youth culture has traditionally been about pissing off previous generations, there's a good chance this will happen yet again. *Yawn* At least to you. ;-)

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

NYC metro revivalists beware -- alex and i are within shooting distance! and i am sure that alex does not like swing/ska revival either!!

HONOUR THE (GUN)FIRE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Combustible Edison were Christmas?! I saw them open up for Husker Du when I was in high school.

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

when is the barbershop revival coming? it was the premise of my favorite simpsons episode!

:-(

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

James McNew of Yo La Tengo was in Christmas, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

There was a Friends episode where they talk about having "The Swing Kings" play at their wedding. I guess it had well and truly jumped the shark by that point (and remember the Gap swingdance ads?).

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be swing dancing tonight. .

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. 70s bowie was a 50s revivalist?!?

Glam-era stuff was all about 50s revivalism (see: Bowie-as-Ziggy's cover of "Round and Round" by Chuck Berry, T. Rex's success with a revamped rockabilly/blues approach in the modern day, Roxy Music as simultaneous 30s/50s/2001 fusion, etc. etc.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The Velvet Underground (glam/cult-rock touchstone) had total doo-wop and 50s rock paens.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Two TV sets and two Cadillac cars--
Ain't gonna help us at all
Then one fine mornin' she puts on a New York station
She don't believe what she heard at all
She started dancin' to that fine fine music
You know her life was saved by Rock 'n' Roll

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/wallpaper/images/640/alvin_stardust.jpg

Alvin Stardust to thread!

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mott the Hoople ("there's a rockabilly party on Saturday night..") and Slade and Gary Glitter and Suzi Quatro (who played Leather Tuscadero on Happy Days) and David Essex (whose big hit was about James Dean) even more so (and Alvin Stardust or whoever he was even more than that, maybe). But I wouldn't say that any of these guys actually SOUNDED like '50s music. (Alvin Stardust may have; I never heard him.)

xp

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i was in a ska-punk band from 1996 to 1998. it was not "my" band. (even though, as guitarist, i was responsible for writing and arranging all the actual music).

COLLEGE.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

we were called the F0rd's Th34ter Ush3rs, which is kind of nerd-pigfuck.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.nato.int/sfor/misc/kid/s981211h.jpg

What was Kid Creole reviving with his Coconuts? I don't remember.

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I worked at First Avenue nightclub in Mpls 1997-99, so I was right in the middle of this stuff. ugh ugh ugh.

I also saw Swing Kids in the theater w/my friend Eric because we were big into bad movies--saw Cop and a Half twice!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

" But I wouldn't say that any of these guys actually SOUNDED like '50s music..."

Sweet kinda had a 50's thing going... it was pretty powerpoppy but there were saxes and a sort of Bo Diddly lyricism going on.

andy --, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

This will either annoy or amuse Ned:

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BIG RUDE JAKE?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahah. (BTW, Mike, you ARE coming to FAP stuff and things this weekend, I trust. Or I'll pout!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

In summary...

Music: Feh, esp. the ex-punker vocalists who usually just didn't have the requisite chops (or anti-chops) and always sounded hoarse.
Dance: Nice. I guess.
Clothes: Dee-licious.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course I'm going, Ned.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

:-D (I mean, I figured you were and all.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(multiple x-post)

Alvin Stardust goes way back, he was having hits in the UK pre Beatles as Shane Fenton, but hit paydirt in 73 with My coo-ca-choo. Which was classic rock and roll refracted through a glam prism much like other glam veterans Gary Glitter, Mud and Wizzard were doing.

His son is Adam F, hip hop/drum n bass producer who's worked with Missy Elliot, De La Soul and LL Cool J amongst others.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

we were called the F0rd's Th34ter Ush3rs, which is kind of nerd-pigfuck.

-- f--gg (gffcnn...), March 23rd, 2005.

nerdfuck?

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

so this is where brian setzer comes in for all of this, i guess.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The streams of glam and 50s officially cross on this album...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005C5N.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Specifically, Mick's ace cover of "Love Me Tender"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

related thread, obviously (it even touches on '50s/glam connections):

Is it remotely possible that Sha Na Na might have been good?

>What was Kid Creole reviving with his Coconuts? I don't remember<

All kindsa stuff. But those Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band and Cory Daye albums revived swing WAY better than the swing revival did.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

And by the way, I don't see how mere covering of individual '50s hits would make glam any more rock'n'roll-oldie-obsessed than lots of other '70s hard rock (Zep drawing on the Monotones and Richie Valens and Elvis and New Orleans r&b, Aerosmith covering "Train Kept a Rollin" and "Walkin' the Dog", Blue Oyster Cult playing around with doo-wop harmonies, etc.) I mean, those cover versions were *part* of it, sure, but really just a small part of a much bigger picture.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

>Sweet kinda had a 50's thing going... it was pretty powerpoppy but there were saxes and a sort of Bo Diddly lyricism going on. <

Right, again, they were *influenced* by certain *aspects* of '50s music, just like most of the other glam stuff named here. But (unlike Sha Na Na or the Stray Cats, say), no way would they ever be mistaken for a '50s band. (Suzi Quatro actually had rockabillified moments that I'd say sounded more '50s than the Sweet ever did, when you get down to it. And to my knowledge, they never did anything as blatantly '50s as, say, "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" by Queen. Though their high-register squealing -- just like Sparks and even the Bee Gees I guess -- maybe harked back to a certain Lou Christie/Frankie Valli tradition.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, though, weren't roy wood's wizzard sort of a sha na na type outfit, sonically at least? They're on Virgin's glam rock videotape, but they really don't sound glam at all to me. (And ELO covered "Roll Over Beethoven," right?) (And who the hell were Showaddydaddy??)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

showaddywaddy = most self-consciously revivalist (ie they dressed as teds and did covers or quasi-covers)

when eg mclaren was running his shop as a shrine to teds (eg b4 it became SEX) no one much thought to note the idea crossed into glam, but part of the reason may be that in the UK at that time it wz hard to actually FIND and HEAR stuff from the 50s

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

The band I was in in the mid-'90s got extra work out of the swing revival by playing about 10% of our material (and bashed-together new stuff that sounded like that 10%) over four hours. And yeah, lots of it was really jump rather than swing. So I guess we profited from it, but we knew it was going to pass.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember in the heat of nu-swing's moment, some guy at the National Review wrote that if the movement stuck around, it might ACTUALLY reverse the decades of cultural and moral decline wrought by rock and hippie and such. Though how one might achieve Morning in America via a bunch of ex-punks dressing up as Tex Avery's Big Bad Wolf escapes my unmuscular imagination.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I took swing dancing lessons in 1998...and I danced at a Squirrel Nut Zippers show. I was alright at the dancing, and enjoyed it, even though I have the problem of being too tall for a partner to flip around. I was always more into rockabilly...

sgs (sgs), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

it might ACTUALLY reverse the decades of cultural and moral decline wrought by rock and hippie and such.

I vividly remember an episode of Talk of the Nation with Ray Suarez devoted to the swing/lounge revival, and the guy who wrote "Buckle Down Winsocki" back in the early 40s called in with instructions on how to make a good martini. He then said it was great how kids were getting into this music again, because for a while there, it seemed like popular music was all about shock tactics. He speculated on the process of forming a rock band: "How can we get ourselves attention, oh, I know, let's look in the dictionary and name ourselves after some sort of tropical disease..." Suarez tried to cut him off, but he wasn't having any of it.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I always had this completely ridiculous theory that nineties rock was always about regression backwards in a way. Grunge = already looking back to an indie existence [Black Flag/SST/etc/], then Green Day/Offspring takes everyone back to 1977, then No Doubt/etc. does the same thing while further hearkening back to the 'golden age' of ska., then lounge and swing takes it *further* back etc. etc. The end point of the process was the fetishization of bluegrass via O Brother Where Art Thou?.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

The swing revival was an embarrassment, but the lounge revival - come on! How could you not love this man:

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/e/esquivel~~~_exploring_101b.jpg

yossarian, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.