ILX, what do you know about peak oil?

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50 years? HA!
Are you aware that auto sales in china and india are just starting to boom? There's no way at the current levels of discovery that they can keep pace with the demand of even the US, let alone another few billion people in those countries.

There are charts showing how oil field discovery has not kept pace with demand for a while now, but production has continued to increase thanks to a large surplus in discovered fields in the past. That surplus of discovered but not drilled oil has pretty much run out, though.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i do fly tho, which is incredibly wasteful

blimps, yo!

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

RE: End of Suburbia
I need to see this.

also:

"Hosted by Barrie Zwicker. Featuring James Howard Kunstler, Peter Calthorpe, Michael Klare, Richard Heinberg, Matthew Simmons, Michael C. Ruppert, Julian Darley, Colin Campbell, Kenneth Deffeyes, Ali Samsam Bakhtiari and Steve Andrews."

Ha, I've already books by half of those people.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Frankly, on a day like this, I start to hope energy crisis domesday predictions do come true. The Western world could maybe do with such a shock to its system. Spiritual renewal and all that.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm inclined to agree.

Until a few weeks ago it was my goal in life to help redesign american cities to be more energy efficient and make better use of public transportation.

But now I'm just ready to jump ship and run to someplace that has the right idea already.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

no -- you really don't want these doomsday predictions to come true.

here are some good links concerning peak oil. just the antidote for today's horrible mood.

http://www.hubbertpeak.com/

http://www.peakoil.net/

http://www.rmfdevelopment.com/SaveOilNow.htm

http://www.gasandoil.com/peakoil/

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex43579.htm

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1111/is_1845_308/ai_112796599 (Harper's 'the oil we eat', article about the degree to which US food production is extravagantly oil dependent)

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0406/feature5/index.html

(Jon L), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Oil on Mars, eh? You know, I've been hearing that the unelected despot who's running the show up there HATES FREEDOM and is STOCKPILING WEAPONS!

briania (briania), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

God, I'm so glad that some people actually understand this problem.
Everyone I talk to about it around here either shrugs it off or doesn't believe me.

PS, coincide #2353493:
Bush plans manned expeditions to Mars for the near future.
Hm!

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

coincidence
hello spelling

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link


"I must caution you that OPEC is only one factor that impacts oil prices and that higher crude oil production does not guarantee that there is more gasoline available for US consumers."

so says Ali Al Naimi, the Saudi Oil Minister, quoted on the Peak Oil site. In this respect I am sure he speaks the truth. But he also said that he was convinced that the very last barrel of oil produced anywhere in the world would be from Saudi Arabia and I'm very dubious about that.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, they could always keep one barrel back, just for fun.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The very LAST barrel, that wouldn't suprise me, actually.
They have vast fields, it's true. But they can only extract so much from them per day. The peak is about production not about physical oil remaining.

wayne (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't it mining of Asteroids that will be the next big thing? All sorts of private enterprises will try that I think.

Yes, I remember watching a documentary on a little island that has run cars and everything on vegetable oil for years, as they are sort of war with some one or another, out in the Pacific.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

there won't be any oil on asteroids. Oil requires organic matter to form, remember?

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

same with coal.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Science ain't my thing ;/

Oh maybe, it was mining for metals! We're not gonna run out of metal, we can just build cars that don't go, we'll all have Flintstones cars.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know how they'd afford fuel to send the rockets into space.

Besides, we have plenty of metals here on earth, they're just wasted and sitting in people's front yards (broken down old cars, anyone?).

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link


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