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(which i presume he adapted)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Dreamcatcher" had the worst ending I have ever seen in a film.

"I read the Mist today, and boy was it scary!"

If you can find it, there's a audio dramatization of the Mist available on cassete. The cool thing about it is that it's in three-dimensional sound, which gives the story an extremely spooky effect.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 23 February 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

did you see the "original ending" on the dreamcatcher dvd? it was so much better, i have no idea why they chose to go with the alternate.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 23 February 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

it was! i liked that in the non-original ending the movie ended with dude saying "jonesy!" though.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

from the ages of 10-15 he was the C of C.

This is so true. His were the first "adult" books I got into reading, as a kid. (I remember learning about most aspects of sex -- except the nuts and bolts, of course, which my mom taught me -- from Stephen King books.) And I think he made for a pretty good segue into the more usual fiction, when I became a preteen... (Because, y'know, he writes about couples and relationships and people musing about their lives and all that shit... just with monsters.)

And I remember "It," which I read in sixth grade, as being one heck of a great book.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 23 February 2004 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

He was always somebody I knew of growing up -- he was that big by the late seventies when I first heard of him thanks to The Shining's adaptation, and he still is, Harlan Ellison called him sui generis and I think he nailed it. But I never really got into him -- it wasn't that I didn't like his work as I read it, I just tended to look elsewhere. But what few short stories I've read of his capture a certain beautiful atmosphere of the physical land itself are gripping, and it occurs to me that some of his greatest strengths aren't the obvious ones.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 February 2004 06:11 (twenty years ago) link

I will throw in a few more cents: those Dark Tower books (the few that I read -- first three or four?) = disappointing dud; the first half of "The Stand" = awesome, but the 2nd half = dud; a few of those "Bachman Books" = Classic. "Eye of the Dragon" (is that what it's called?) = totally classic.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 23 February 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago) link

Stand by Me = classic. No question. period. end. over. The Best.

sunjammerr, Monday, 23 February 2004 06:49 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, duh! Secret Window was in Four Past Midnight. I knew it looked familiar.

I think his stuff in the last decade or so is unbearable nostalgic crap, I still think his first 15 years had a few genuinely great novels (The Dead Zone and Pet Sematary seem to stand up the best) and a boatload of really scary scenes (the Lincoln Tunnel sequence in The Stand, Ben's Hubie Marston nightmare in 'Salem's Lot).

At this point, though, I'd wager that most of his stuff made for better movies, at least when real directors (as opposed to Frank Darabont) were at the helm. Carrie, The Shining, and Christine are all way beyond the source material. And Cujo, The Dead Zone and 'Salem's Lot are all great movies in their own right.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

Pet Sematary is a great horror novel, one of the few that has actually creeped me out.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

I always liked his short stories. The one with the tiny army men, and the one about the kid's dad with the bad 6-pack of beer and the cats in the wall... I haven't read The Mist since I was in that 10-15 age range. I liked it a lot then. Does it hold up?

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:38 (twenty years ago) link

Oh and the one where the evil oil slick pulls the guy through the CRACK between the BOARDS on the RAFT holy SHIT.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

There's an audio-CD of the Mist that's great. You have to listen to it with headphones, but they did a great job with the surround sound (for ~1993 when I heard it).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

The raft scared the pants off me.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:54 (twenty years ago) link

Just keep your hair out of the water and you'll be fine.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

"There's an audio CD of the Mist..."

Dude, did you see my post upthread?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 23 February 2004 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

Haha, no. Amazon still had the CD as of a couple of years ago.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 February 2004 08:10 (twenty years ago) link

At 15, C of C, OTM. The Shining, Christine, The Stand, and It. And Misery.

I stopped caring before the first chapter of Delores Claiborne ended (tho that movie was good).

weather1ngda1eson (Brian), Monday, 23 February 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Bachman books - classic. The 4 stories in "Different Seasons" are pretty good. The only one not made into a movie was my favourite - The Long Walk. Basically a near-future-reality-show concept piece. Very simple: 100 people (mostly young) start walking down a highway. If you drop below 4 miles per hour, you get a warning. After the 3rd warning, you are shot dead (the military follow your progress). Last one alive "wins" (you get whatever you want). I almost hope reality TV goes this way someday...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 23 February 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Salem's Lot and The Mist scared the piss out of me as a young'un.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

You could just take them out of the running instead of shooting them. Some people might argue that only the threat of death can provide sufficient motivation to determine the "real" winner. Anyway, 4mph isn't very fast.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

Average normal pedestrial walking speed is like 3.375 mph.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Are you getting Different Seasons confused with The Bachman Books, Rob? The Breathing Method is the only story out of DS that wasn't filmed: The Running Man is the only one of BBs that was.

Short stories: great. Dark Tower also good in principle (the first one was only good enough to get me vaguely interested in the seond one, which was great), but if it turns out that I'd have to read all his other books to understand the next volume, I'll be pissed off.

You have to reckon he's jumped the shark when he starts making TV miniseries of all his longer stories, including The Shining. Apparently the film was fine, but not what he was looking for.

And Christine to thread!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

Good things about Stephen King:

1. The Shining
2. The Strand was good as I recall though the middle 500 pages dragged a bit
3. He wrote some book about dragons. I forget what it was called but dragons are so awesome.
4. His short stories I think are generally excellent, and much different from his fiction. They're published in the New Yorker and other such magazines quite often. He had an excellent one about highway restroom graffiti.
5. Also he got hit by a truck, which is so crazy. Then he wrote lots of memoirs about being hit by a truck. The one celebrity we have in the whole state of Maine gets mauled by a drunk driver. I thought we should have put his giant creepy head on our state quarter, but apparently that wasn't taken into consideration.

j c (j c), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Stand I mean. The Strand is a bookstore I have to go to this afternoon. Apologies.

j c (j c), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

least scary element in a bad s.k. novel: killer coke machine in the tommyknockers. course, he was high on coke at the time, so it makes sense. i kinda love the fact that he doesn't remember writing cujo. If you had asked me what the great american novel was 20 years ago i would have said The Stand. I love everything up until the novel he doesn't remember writing. it was touch and go after that. hate when he takes a short story idea and adds an extra 700 pages a la Insomnia.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

Eye of the Dragon - about the prince locked up in the tower who steals threads from napkins and weaves them into a rope using the tiny loom in his doll house.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

>Are you getting Different Seasons confused with The Bachman Books, Rob
Yes. Yes I am. It's been a while...

>Anyway, 4mph isn't very fast

True. This is the beauty of the contest. The 100 starters can go on for quite a while before the 1st person is shot, which is obviously a sobering event for the remaining 99. Only after about 48 hours things start to go a bit crazy. People start to freak out, as one would expect. Dunno why that story stuck with me for so long - it's a disturbing concept.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

they aren't even advertising this film as by Stephen King, so maybe they've realized that his name attached to a film = box office death these days.

-- anthony kyle monday

then why "stephen king's kingdom hospital"?

-- s1ocki

Stephen King signing on to the Kingdom remake is the only thing that got it made; it's been in and out of production for years, so I assume they're tagging it with his name because they aren't confident in it except as a King vehicle (whereas a Johnny Depp movie is a Johnny Depp movie, and you really don't need the Inspector 13 tag.

I haven't seen Dreamcatcher and don't know if I will, but coming so soon after the extended discussion of "trunk novels" in Bag of Bones (which, love it or hate it, is considerably different in scope, tone, and approach), and King's subsequent accident and public difficulties with returning to writing, I half-assumed it was a trunk novel itself. It certainly reads like one.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

I recall something about the first story in the Bachman books (Rage) causing a stir because it depicted a fed-up high school kid coming to school with a gun and having a little kill-fest. Apparently it was reading material for a real-life high-school-rage-murder tragedy, but don't recall when/where.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

He's great at writing a near-perfect example of a sub-genre. IE Rage is a great "high school shooting" story, The Long Walk is just one beautiful idea, "Survivor Type" is a great cannibal story..

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Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

"Incidently, 'Rage' is the only novel that King admits he wishes he never wrote. Several similar incidents have occured across the United States, and Rage has been mentioned in connection with them. Considering how sympathetic King is to his protagonist, it's easy to see how disillusioned teens could come to identify with its themes"

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

oh, but classic! cuz even though i don't read his new stuff i still dig him. he's such a kook, and he never makes me cringe really. which is more than i can say for most people who have been in the public eye as long as he has. search:Carrie, Salem's Lot, The Shining, Rage, Night Shift, The Stand, The Dead Zone, Danse Macabre, Firestarter, Different Seasons, Needful Things, The Dark Half, Pet Semetary, Misery, Skeleton Crew, and Thinner (even if you are older than 10-15)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 February 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

he never makes me cringe really

No, we have Dean Koontz for that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, what a way with a trashy yarn! Search: THE LANGOLIERS esp part one of the TV novella. Destroy: Cujo. I mean, it was a bit shit wasn't it.

Sarah (starry), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

That Mist dramatization is floating around on soulseek.

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 23 February 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

The best Stephen King audio I've heard -- although the person I heard it with says The Mist one is great, too -- is "1408," the haunted hotel room story from Blood and Smoke, his audio-only thing. The first time I heard it was in the middle of the night, in the middle of a ten hour road trip through east Texas and southern Louisiana, which probably added a lot to the overall effect.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 23 February 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

the langoliers is really cool too.

i mean the thing with stephen king is he's really good at writing really readable stuff, and he has some neat ideas, but man oh man does he repeat himself. which is kind of interesting in a way, i guess. it's like he applies whatever good idea he has to the basic mold of "writer in maine" and lets it rip.

(obviously that applies more to the novels)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

you know what else is good? "the juant"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

sorry, "the jaunt"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

a good man, a quiet neighbor ( even though he doesnt tip the pizza boy)

kephm, Monday, 23 February 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

And Christine to thread!

Me?

I like him. I haven't read the new Dark Tower book yet, though. I've neglected literary pursuits quite badly of late. The revised version of the first volume is a big improvement, BTW.

(There goes my resolution not to post. Ego can be terrible.)

ChrissieH (chrissie1068), Monday, 23 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

Bag of Bones is my favorite of all of them - then The Green Mile - after that, well, fuck it, I loved them all.

Except Rose Madder and Gerald's Game.

luna (luna.c), Monday, 23 February 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Am reading the Dark Tower series right now. Currently sucking down the 3rd book, and will probably go pick up the 4th before the week is out. Interesting evolution between the 1st two books in the series, as they were seperated by 20 years and almost a completely new quality of writing.

Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

classic for inspiring his doppleganger garth merenghi

pete s, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Secret Window on the Weekend, and aside from being another story about an isolated writer, it was pretty good. Mainly cuz of J.Depp and J.Tur though.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

dud if you are over 13

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

I only read the first two dark tower books, I liked them (the first more than the second), are the rest better? Does it feel like it's building into a massive, thread-tying, career-summation sort of masterpiece? Or just a longwinded yarn that doesn't go anywhere?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

Argument for the classic -- providing inspiration to Brent Hanley, whose script for Frailty showed it, and very well at that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

Classic for about 3/4 of the story, up until he realizes that he can't get himself out of the corner he's written himself into and slaps on an abrupt, unsatisfying ending in an attempt to meet deadline.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

Pretty much everything in Detta Walker's voice rivals the sex scene but that one's on a whole new level.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:47 (two years ago) link

Theres a dark tower prequel short story about a vampire nun tugging roland off in a tent y/n?

As per last post, at this stage king is probably better writing boomer nostalgia via punk rock horror but leaving:

i. monsters
ii. characters with disability
iii. characters with weight issues
iv. poor characters
v. child sex

out of it entirely

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link

Uh what does that leave

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link

Non white characters I beg

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:53 (two years ago) link

Jesus yes sorry

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:56 (two years ago) link

Just fellas walking in the woods, can be post apocalyptic if he likes, thats all

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:56 (two years ago) link

y'all wanna see a deracinated body?

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Friday, 21 January 2022 05:05 (two years ago) link

i want him to do a full boomer feverdream with wall to wall springsteen, dylan & creedence songs & old cars & washed up musicians & jaded ex-hookers

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 06:38 (two years ago) link

whoa

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link

!

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 22 January 2022 05:03 (two years ago) link

legendary flop if you're unfamiliar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_(musical)

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 January 2022 06:47 (two years ago) link

Early in the 21st century, playwright Erik Jackson attempted to secure the rights to stage another production of the musical, but his request was denied. Jackson eventually earned the consent of Stephen King to mount a new, officially sanctioned, non-musical production of Carrie, which debuted Off-Broadway in 2006 with drag queen Sherry Vine in the lead role.

Similarly, other unofficial spoofs have been staged over the years, most notably Scarrie! The Musical, Carrie White the Musical and Carrie's Facts of Life, which was a hybrid of Carrie and the American sitcom The Facts of Life.

In 2018, a high school production of the musical is the focus of "Chapter Thirty-One: A Night to Remember" episode of Riverdale. The Riverdale cast album of the musical was produced via WaterTower Music.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 January 2022 06:49 (two years ago) link

Carrie's Facts of Life, which was a hybrid of Carrie and the American sitcom The Facts of Life

I'd workshop that title a little more, but that sounds brilliantly funny.

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 January 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/ynUGYez.png

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 10 February 2022 19:43 (two years ago) link

I've read that book three times and I still forget some of that shit.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 10 February 2022 20:13 (two years ago) link

lol

It's also why I can reread books and rewatch movies. I forget things.

― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:33 PM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 10 February 2022 20:15 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I don't usually post pictures of myself, but today is an exception. pic.twitter.com/IvuiH3QVZv

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) February 28, 2022

If those are actually SK’s bookshelves then i guess believe he actually likes all those books he writes blurbs for.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 28 February 2022 21:01 (two years ago) link

Shit, that's just his "to blurb" shelf for March.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 February 2022 22:03 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Is there anything in the recent run that actually sticks the landing as well as 11-22-63 did? I kinda feel like picking something up. The Institute had some raves - anyone read it?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:05 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I dug it. It definitely felt like a pastiche of his greatest hits, tho

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link

^^^^

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed The Institute, but yeah

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link

i still need to read Revival

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 16:46 (one year ago) link

My wife says the holly gibney related books are all good (esp the outsider) and co-signs on The Institute

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link

The Outsider is pretty good but it definitely doesn't stick the landing

Number None, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link

^^ otm. Oddly enough, I thought the HBO adaptation actually managed to slightly make the landing less terrible.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 18:56 (one year ago) link

Gibney is such a fucking horribly written character it’s a real handicap to every story she’s in (as I recall the outsider is ticking along fine until exactly that point)

Now to take a big sip of coffee and see what he’s working on next

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link

Yeah, The Outsider (TV version) ended slightly better than the book, but the book was better in just about every other respect.

Revival is really good.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 19:37 (one year ago) link

The last several books I read (Sleeping Beauties, Institute, Outsider) were satisfying in their way but very much felt like extruded King product

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link

Revival is my favourite King book since 11/22/63

I consider it one of his best endings, not alone in that but opinion is somewhat polarised

It’s not too long so it’s worth finding out for yourself!

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link

i have it, so will def give it a go on that recommendation:D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 22:14 (one year ago) link

The first in the trio of Hodges Det Ret books (Mr. Mercedes) is very good. The next book is pretty solid! The last book I cannot recommend,

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 22:16 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

I mean... I will cuz you you told me to, but I have no idea who that is so I'm just picturing a fish on a roller-coaster.

— Shawn Nutting (@ZackGavin2) September 8, 2022

the best fans

You can't spell Fearless without Earle (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 September 2022 15:25 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

i picked up the new one, “Fairy Tale”, from the library this weekend … it’s got me hooked early, loving it so far.

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 December 2022 04:19 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zuiVwFNEqc

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 30 January 2023 22:17 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

update: I read Revival and didn’t love it.
The dedication to Mary Shelley let me know what the upshot would be from the start, and i got annoyed waiting and waiting for the other shoe to drop like honestly waiting til the last three chapters drove me NUTS

i liked the childhood stuff early on though, and the pastor’s “fuck u god” sermon was a+

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 02:04 (ten months ago) link

I'm not quite sure what to make of Fairy Tale. I thought the pacing and plot progression were all over the place. But it had some great sequences - the first walk through the abandoned city was fantastic, and the waiting room build-up to the "Fair One" was the most intense, horrifying thing he's written in a long time.

Duane Barry, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:19 (ten months ago) link

seven months pass...

perlstein on stephen king as the writer of the great death of democracy novel: https://prospect.org/culture/2024-02-14-cultural-artifact-meets-the-moment/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 16:05 (two months ago) link


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