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I happen to agree, and Haynes' Safe was one of my favorite movies of the '90s.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

my favorite quote about Velvet Goldmine comes from my then-girlfriend

Amie: [looks at watch] That was only two hours?!

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I quite enjoyed following rant, though I haven't seen Far From Heaven yet and am looking forward to it. Romney liked it, FWIW.


INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY (UK) 23rd March 2003
THIS IS THE LIFE

A close friend of mine was a respected film critic for over a decade before packing it in to spend more time with her cat. While in situ, she was fascinating about the hypocrisy of her fellow preview-theatre troglodytes. She told of frequent occasions when the fraternity of critics (almost all film reviewers are male and look like badgers in glasses) had patently enjoyed a movie, only to retire and savage it in print.

I particularly remember her saying how there was an almost carnival atmosphere among the critics oogling Paul Verhoeven's kitsch go-go extravaganza Showgirls, but almost every reviewer slated the movie as offensive soft porn.

Showgirls is certainly a vulgarian's wet dream, but so is Moulin Rouge - it's just more socially acceptable (if marginally so) to like Elton John songs than to like strippers cat-fighting. If there's anything more annoying than critics being mealy-mouthed when a film's entertainment value exceeds its IQ, it's the same sages gushing over a film that has cultural pretensions but no heart. (This paper's critic, Jonathan Romney, is an exception and only recommends highly cultural works with pounds of raw heart - I just wish they weren't all set in Uzbekistan). How often have I trekked off to see a film, convinced I am about to watch a work of hitherto unimaginable cinematic genius worthy of Hitchcock, Kubrick and Bunuel rolled into one fat, beardy French uber-director, only to sit slack-jawed with disappointment at the monumental work of disengaged tedium passing before me?

So I should have known when I bunked off work to see "the best film of the year so far", "a marvel of production design", "more clever and literate than anything around", that it would be the Emperor's new turkey. Far from Heaven is director Tod Haynes' ludicrously overwrought tribute to Douglas Sirk's ludicrously overwrought Fifties' melodrama All That Heaven Allows. Haynes may have written a new screenplay, but the cast of characters and plot remains largely the same, with just a couple of updates that are supposed to be a sophisticated wink at a contemporary audience. For example, Julianne Moore's domestic goddess, Cathy, is not a widow, but the wife of a repressed homosexual, and she falls for a black, rather than a white, gardener. But it's still an utterly pointless act of retro devotion to anyone not given to musing, "Wow, that's really neat to have a closet queen in the remake, when the original starred Rock Hudson!" Furthermore, Dennis Quaid as Cathy's surly husband, Frank, is about as gay and "charming" as Billy Bob Thornton. Meanwhile Julianne Moore wafts through the autumnal haze of a master-class in cinematography (all the colours of the fall, geddit?) in startlingly full-skirted frocks, with all the period authenticity of one of those crinolined dollies you put on top of the loo roll. The LA Times wrote, "What she does with her role is so beyond the parameters of what we call great acting that it really defies categorization." Actually, it's so far beyond those parameters that it defies what I call acting. Moore is just a milky, wide-eyed canvas on which Haynes projects his stultifying lens.

And yet Far From Heaven is up for four Academy Awards, including Moore as best actress. But when you look at the films that have won best movie over recent years it all makes sense. There's American Beauty, The English Patient, Shakespeare in Love, Driving Miss Daisy, Rain Man, and The Last Emperor: scrupulously tasteful but low-cal dinner-party fodder every one - films with literary associations that make people feel sophisticated, like knowing the correct way to eat artichokes. Was there ever anything more vomit-inducing than listening to the chattering classes forcing laughter at Shakespeare in Love just to show they got the tepid jokes about Webster and Marlowe?

Over the past 21 years the only two films that have won best film and deserve to be in any sane person's DVD collection are Unforgiven and Gladiator, both of them rudely vibrant movies that know how to take a big screen by storm. Over the same time equally mesmerising classics such as Blade Runner, LA Confidential, Strictly Ballroom, Heat and The Fellowship of the Ring, failed to triumph. I am fairly certain it's because none of them was scripted, directed or remotely touched by a luvvie, such as Sir Tom Stoppard or Sam Mendes. Judging by this criterion, Sir David Hare's screenplay for The Hours should help that turgid piece of pseudo- intellectual onanism carry off the top honour this year. But I shall still hold that the year's best films were The Two Towers, Laissez Passer and The Devil's Backbone. And for those who want to see a masterpiece about the price of emotional repression in a censorious society, may I suggest Wong Kar-Wai's In the Mood for Love? If Far From Heaven is painting by numbers, In the Mood for Love is a Turner sunset.


N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well I hated Velvet Goldmine and Safe with a passion - but really liked Far From Heaven.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Showgirls is certainly a vulgarian's wet dream, but so is Moulin Rouge - it's just more socially acceptable (if marginally so) to like Elton John songs than to like strippers cat-fighting.

Yay, I am a vulgarian!

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

You AWFUL person, Nicole! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

"a masterpiece about the price of emotional repression in a censorious society" suggests that this Independentwriter doesn’t think the film resonates today, and "utterly pointless act of retro devotion" compounds that. Racism and homophobia are so retro! Granted, I also very much like Sirk but Far From Heaven is exquisite– and was, imho, the best American film of last year. (but , yes, "in the mood for love" was better.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

The key to Far From Heaven I think is that the end is not as downbeat as a Sirkian melodrama merely because we know what happened to kids of broken marriages in the fifties and sixties and that was not particularly tragic. What might have seemed in the fifties to be a crushing defeat is actually the start of her liberation, which is what the driving up the hill at the end signifies for me.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not all of Sirk's endings were "downbeat." All That Heaven Allows has a redemptive ending, albeit one whose abruptness might raise questions about the narrative. Written on the Wind has a tragic ending, but still allows for some hope, with Rock and Lauren at least riding away from the house that held so much misery for them. Imitation of Life is certainly a tragedy in many respects, but different critics have interpreted Sarah Jane's returning to her "family" as either a gesture of reconciliation or resignation.

So I think the ending of Far from Heaven is in keeping with the ambivalent endings of several of Sirk's melodramas.

It's a great film. Todd Haynes at the Oscars is sort of incongruous. I'm actually relieved he didn't win.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

was everyone too sidetracked by the endless sirk references and the admittedly fantastic cinematography to notice that far from heaven was actually k-boring plotwise?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

the most surprising thing about far from heaven was that there were absolutely NO surprises. to me, it just sort of set itself up to plod, presumably coasting on the assumption that all the self-congratulatory film-school sirk de soiling bizness would be enough

for me it kinda wasn't

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think the Sirk stuff was necessarily a "sidetrack"--it was, at least from a certain perspective, a big part of the meat of the film. Although my mother and her friend, who are not familiar with Sirk at all, managed to enjoy Haynes's film very much.

Haynes's is v. talented at making "impossible" films--films that can't really be assimilated to any one set of critical expectations, and that are necessarily frustrating for that and other reasons. They're difficult to love, in my experience. I'm still wondering if that sort of thing has a value in itself, but given how much thought I've given to Far from Heaven I suppose the answer is yes.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

v. talented at making "impossible" films--films that can't really be assimilated to any one set of critical expectations, and that are necessarily frustrating for that and other reasons

can you expand on this pls?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ack yes yes yes I can but can I say: "later"? I'm at work and it's not that I'm incapable of expanding, I'm just afraid of starting a little research project with so much else I should be doing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

i still say all frame no picture

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sometimes I suspect that as well--that the anxiety produced by the films comes more from the nature of their place in the culture (i.e. a 50s melodrama made in 2002), the debates they stir up, (ie. the FRAME) than by the content. But Far from Heaven was a beautifully-made picture; perhaps he didn't have every aspect of Sirk's style down pat, but the reconstruction was more complete than any other filmmaker could probably hope to achieve. The question is whether the "beautifully-made picture" and the anxious object have a meaningful relationship with each other.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why my suspicions are usually quieted: Hayne's genuine talent as a filmmaker, and not just a "technical" sort of talent. In Safe, when Peter is talking to Carol and suddenly points to a coyote off at the foot of the mountains--the hard cut to the coyote is completely charged. I wish there were more moments like this one in his films, but they're there.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Last I heard (as of a few months ago), he doesn't have a lover -- not the sort you'd bring to the Oscars, anyways. So now's your chance, Anthony.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link


my anxiety stemmed from the fact that it was a 50s throwback sirk-style done seemingly for its own sake

hollow meta levels

i think i'd rather see a douglas sirk film in 2002.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Spotted: A guy wearing purple eyeshadow, mint green iridescent leather trenchcoat, jeans, and light blue sequined gaiters over black cowboy boots bicycling across the intersection of Park Anenue and 57th Street. He brought a little Velvet Goldmine into our lives today.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

in the names of continuity and hypertextuality:

Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story: classic or what?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
apparently beyonce is 'to play bob dylan' in haynes' newie. play fuckin loud.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

All of a sudden I'm interested in Bob Dylan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i heart todd h.

far from heaven wz a bit of a slog tho

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

part of me wants a zim biopic, but only if it stuck to the good bits (64-6). that would be incredible, or could be. the problem with the ali film was it kind of replicated the docs that already existed, and i guess that might be why they are taking a roundabout route to biopicking bob. who knows. maybe beyonce will shine.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I would think Blood on the Tracks era would make a better film ... oh wait: Renaldo & Clara

Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it Beyonce for sure? Here's a report that a friend of mine e-mailed me the other day:

Bob Dylan has given permission to a Hollywood studio to make a film about his life and will be portrayed by seven actors - one of them a black woman reports The Times Online.

Todd Haynes confirmed last week that he is searching for a woman who can do justice to the short white Jewish singer's "inner blackness". The seven will play Dylan during different eras in his 43-year career, starting in the 1960s when his song "The Times They Are A-Changin'" turned into an anti-war anthem. Costing £30m, the film is due for release next year under the title "I'm Not There: Suppositions on a Film Concerning Dylan".

It is traditional in films spanning a lifetime for characters to be played by more than one actor, but rarer for them to change sex or race. Haynes is considering actresses ranging from pop singer Beyoncé Knowles to tennis champion Venus Williams and the one and only Oprah Winfrey.

I'm really curious about this. Like Ned, I could care less about Dylan's music, but I do think he's a pretty compelling personality and icon.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

if they film any of this in MN i will definitely go to rubberneck.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link


He does a bang-up job interviewing Van Sant on the new Pvt Idaho DVD.

Far From Heaven seems to work best on people who recognize top-flight pastiches can unleash emotions, like Magnetic Fields' 69 Love Songs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

please let it be Beyonce.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

im v. v. v. excited about the new one, even more if it is oprah

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i could definitely go for of those buttercrackers with some cream cheese right now.

ie am hungry., Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh wait.

yes, beyonce. what a terrible idea. it is a pointless, and obscene, gimmick.

i am still hungery., Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

he is the only one who can convert well-learned "film theory" into an actual real unexpected film, i think: i guess i felt w.far from heaven that he confused his fondness for sirk with studious reverence for "sirk theory" and never shimmied out of that overcareful trap --- less mise-en-scene than mise-en-prison

(but if you swap sirk for glam, and VG for FFH, i wd probably be defendin it, so maybe it's just that i'm not really THAT big on sirk myself)

the person i wz with - unrepentent sexual pirate and general tomboy activist - knew nothing abt sirk or sirk theory and wz emotionally overwhelmed, except in a bad way: we had to go straight to a gay bar after and have several drinks

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I think liking Far From Heaven hinges heavily on liking Sirk (which I do luckily.)

I'd rather he get Venus Williams (or Lisa Leslie) than Beyonce though!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

oprah would be more interesting. beyonce is too robotic.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

one of the answers in today's nytimes crossword is "okra winfrey"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

you can't BE "too robotic"!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

TOM CRUISE

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

*unable to think of response*

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, beyonce. what a terrible idea. it is a pointless, and obscene, gimmick.

If it were Todd Solondz behind the camera, I'd agree with you. (Actually, wait, doesn't his new film Palindromes do the whole multiple-actors-playing-the-same-character thing, too? That's weird.) But Haynes truly does have the ability to transcend his conceits. That combination of intellectual cleverness and genuine, overwhelming emotion is why Far From Heaven and Eternal Sunshine are two of my favorite films of this decade.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

That makes it sound like Haynes directed Eternal Sunshine -- no, I'm just saying that I respond to that combination, and there's another film that has it.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I still like Velvet Goldmine goddammit!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Way to spoiler, Tracer.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i love the beyonce casting but i hope the "inner blackness" line was just something he came up with on the fly

jones (actual), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the sound of this film far more than haynes' others. 'far from heaven' was as good as 'psycho 98', make of that what you will (ie, would have made a good gallery piece); 'safe' i liked but i think that mark s possibly points to a problem in haynes: imo haynes' knowledge of film theory outstrips his knowledge of the lives of suburban women 1950-1990.

N_RQ, Thursday, 24 March 2005 09:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I spoke with Todd about this around five years ago, and as I dimly recall, one of the seven characters was always going to be black.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 March 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I think FFH getting Oscar nominations -- ie, went over with many ppl whose Sirk knowledge / sense of film history is nil -- shows it's not dependent on knowing DS's stuff. I know civilians who liked it who've never seen Sirk either.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 March 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

was i the only one who actually really liked van sants pyscho--i mean liked it almost as much as the janet leigh---does that make me perverse?

anthony, Friday, 25 March 2005 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

& wasnt todd haynes new movie similar in its conceits

anthony, Friday, 25 March 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

The score is the score from the Go-Between

plax (ico), Monday, 18 December 2023 07:56 (four months ago) link

Its a wonderful score but for me a major contributor to the self conscious late 60s Losey pastiche which i found tiresome, not least because every Losey film I've seen since the Servant has been a major disappointment. In that way I guess he's similar to Haynes for me, I feel like they both lucked into one great film where everything clicks and its a miracle but everything else theyve done is laboured and smug. I haven't seen every Losey film though and Haynes hasn't done anything as bad as Eva.

I thought Portman was way too much, the gags felt overdone. The screen is a mirror. I'm not really sure what I was supposed to be confronted by. Maybe it needed another hour or so of portman wandering around in a sunhat. The Chabrol comparison feels way too kind, at least there would be a dead body or a painting or a suitcase of cash it was Chabrol. I was going to say maybe Haynes should adapt a Highsmith novel but then I remembered he already has. I wonder what Laura Mulvey would say about it.

plax (ico), Monday, 18 December 2023 10:15 (four months ago) link

I was disappointed by this too, weird kind of mix of trashy and prestige but not really nailing either

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:37 (four months ago) link

My Letterboxd this weekend was a feast of May December backlash

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:38 (four months ago) link

I thought Portman was way too much, the gags felt overdone.

Interesting. To my mind she's an inadequate actress, but she and Haynes exploited her weaknesses well. I was more conscious this second viewing of how nicely she spaced out her delivery, how she managed a second-tier actress' trick of I Am Listening Now when another person spoke to her.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:41 (four months ago) link

I liked it, but for a film about forbidden love, there was very little I found uncomfortable. the moral POV seemed pretty well prescribed

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Monday, 18 December 2023 17:42 (four months ago) link

The most uncomfortable moment to me was was Portman telling her casting people that the 13-year-olds they were sending her weren't sexy enough. But it was also funny.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 December 2023 18:23 (four months ago) link

Yeah, was also uncomfortable with the variation on that theme, very willingly answering the drama class clown's question on how to film sex scenes

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 18:26 (four months ago) link

Take this with a grain of salt, but this film has grown in my estimation the further I've gotten from it. I found it uncomfortable and just generally not enjoyable as I watched it, but I admit I do keep thinking about parts of it (especially the final scene).

I didn't read a lot of previews or have big expectations going in, beyond knowing the basic premise. I was shocked after I watched it to find people saying how funny it was - I truly did not laugh once, and did not ever get the sense it was going for comedic beats.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 18 December 2023 18:27 (four months ago) link

I agree, and I believe Haynes when he’s said as much in interviews. (Although he obviously miscalculated with the “hot dogs” music sting, only an alien would think that wasn't intended as a camp laff.)

I find myself having that experience more & more over the last 5 or so years, seeing some really severe drama or horror movie overpraised online as a hilarious dark comedy. I think about it a lot tbh and cant really figure out exactly what I think about it. I know part of it is obviously just an effect of Me Getting Old, but I think theres definitely some things going on in current film culture that are resulting in audiences bringing a lot more irony to the table than in times past, at least w/certain kinds of films.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 December 2023 18:56 (four months ago) link

Kids these days reserve their solemnity for Tiktok reels

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:04 (four months ago) link

I mean, I just heard Portman and Moore going for beats in their line deliveries that amused me. idk if I brought anything.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:34 (four months ago) link

The problem with comedy and finding things unfunny is that no one wants to feel left out of the joke.

I will never use the phrase "hilarious dark comedy" and will give serious side eye to anyone who does.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:35 (four months ago) link

I do

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:40 (four months ago) link

congrats on finally tying the knot!

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:42 (four months ago) link

I get my boxing terms mixed. xpost

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:43 (four months ago) link

Throw those dreary vows away, they bore me!

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 20:49 (four months ago) link

I like the idea that Haynes is focusing on us (the audience) as avid consumers of lurid tabloid stories, and turning the narrative and whatever truth there might be about it back on us, to what our reactions to this movie might reflect about us

Dan S, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 01:07 (three months ago) link

Throw those dreary vows away, they bore me!

― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, December 18, 2023 8:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 16:45 (three months ago) link

The general atmosphere here is very Macbeth-ish.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 16:49 (three months ago) link

We've seen you like this before. Is it over or is it just beginning?

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 17:16 (three months ago) link

thought joe actor/character was really good. the put down of 'this is what grown ups do' was one of the most off handedly condescendingly mean thing I've seen in a movie in a while. the graduation dress shopping scene with the daughter's reaction to the 'your brave to wear that dress and show off your upper arms' volley from the mum was great/chilling. never got a handle on who gracie was throughout the whole thing. hopefully that was the point.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:51 (three months ago) link

the music cues kept making me think of 'invitation to love'

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:52 (three months ago) link

the put down of 'this is what grown ups do' was one of the most off handedly condescendingly mean thing I've seen in a movie in a while

Yeah, this one got a gasp from me

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:55 (three months ago) link

Portman nailed the delivery.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:10 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

This latest “controversy” is really killing any remaining goodwill I have toward … well discourse in general tbh

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 5 January 2024 03:13 (three months ago) link

this. a24 not contacting the last remaining brother of the von erichs until after the iron claw was made…the aaliyah story a younger zendaya turned down…it should be an ethical requirement to request an individual’s permission for a biopic or “inspired story,” based on THEM. https://t.co/56QqnSQ7kI

— kristen (not crystal) yellowjackets shish-kabob 🍡 (@lordesbbqribs) January 4, 2024



give me a fucking break here lol pic.twitter.com/rhW0HmvyQk

— alice (@modlssss) January 4, 2024

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 5 January 2024 03:29 (three months ago) link

I think artists should be able to write about whomever they want…but I also think if they’re based on a real person, there should be a sincere effort to understand that person and give them a fair shake…kind of a theme of this movie iirc

joe was clearly the character the story was most sympathetic to imo, fwiw

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Friday, 5 January 2024 03:40 (three months ago) link

Right. I'm not myself feeling sympathetic.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2024 03:42 (three months ago) link

He may be the inspiration but it's not a biography. It would be extremely misguided to even mistake it as one, just as it would be to think Charles Foster Kane is supposed to be a biographical depiction of William Randolph Hearst. Public figures inspire countless fictional characters. The plot may involve adapting a controversial event into a TV show, but it's still doing so within the realm of fiction.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 January 2024 03:46 (three months ago) link

I don't know why so much of the audience nowadays has trouble grappling with the concept of fiction - it's like when they mistake any film, book or song as being some kind of coded memoir. Is it reality TV warping their understanding of such things?

birdistheword, Friday, 5 January 2024 03:48 (three months ago) link

And thanks to its mixture of tones it winds up fair to all the principals? We understand without sympathizing.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2024 03:55 (three months ago) link

I can understand the guy's feelings, sure, but that's just how stories work. Stagger Lee would like a word.

sensible and justified for this dude to see it the way he sees it

sensible and justified for haynes et al to proceed with their creative project without involving him

"If they had reached out to me, we could have worked together on a masterpiece"

i do like his delusions of grandeur though

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 5 January 2024 04:49 (three months ago) link

Indeed, this movie could've been up there with The Amy Fischer Story. Instead, it's merely Haynes' best movie since Safe (the Village Voice poll's best movie of the '90s).

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 5 January 2024 14:30 (three months ago) link

It's funny how in the movie the people the story is based on are involved but not in the actual production of the movie where that happens

plax (ico), Friday, 5 January 2024 18:29 (three months ago) link

This movie is so exquisitely awkward

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:55 (three months ago) link

Yeah, between this and Showing Up it was a good year for awkward.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 23:04 (three months ago) link

Showing Up is awkward, and is a remarkable film about a small local community of people (an arts community in Portland OR) trying to navigate the world, with all of the frustrations and divided feelings that come with it. It is my favorite movie so far from this year.

May December is also a favorite film this year, but it seems very slippery and knowing and almost conniving, and is almost the opposite of awkward to me, although there are some moments in it that are cringy

Dan S, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 01:34 (three months ago) link


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