when did inverted look stop being the default?

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hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

more like perverted look, regular 4 life

― s1ocki, Saturday, November 8, 2008 6:47 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more like perverted CROOK now that i think of it

donde está mia farrow, fa la la la la, la la la la (s1ocki), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

it's kinda interesting to see someone try a 3-D game who's never done it before and seeing if inverted or "regular" is more natural. like a kid finding out if they're right or left-handed.

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...


First, let me finish my rant about inverted scrolling. I wanted very badly to adapt to Lion’s new so-called “natural scrolling” behavior, but I had to shut it off after two days because it just felt too awkward.

“I’m trying to use a computer, not play freakin’ Golden Eye,” I complained to a friend.

cutty, Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:23 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

Realised too late that I'm raising a non-inverted child. It started when he was playing minecraft and I just didn't think to change his controls from the default, now we're playing Destiny together and every time we pass the pad we have to go into the bloody options menu first.

I have failed as a parent.

JimD, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 10:42 (seven years ago) link

i always invert-y but never x-axis

am0n, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 17:17 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

man, the inmates have truly taken over the asylum on this one now huh

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 31 December 2015 16:14 (six years ago) link

Once upon a time a man would come home after a hard day's work defending his home from the Nazi menace in a Supermarine Spitfire and relax with a game of Mario 64, the controller's little joystick working just the same as in his aeroplane. Now kids don't even know how an aeroplane works and the invert axis toggle is rusted stuck in a cobwebby corner of the options menu. Society is in the gutter.

ledge, Thursday, 31 December 2015 16:31 (six years ago) link

I remember playing MS flight simulator in the mid 80s and crashing a buncha times into the O'Hare Hilton because I didn't get inverted look. I deserved it.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 31 December 2015 16:44 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

(So as not to hijack the 'terrible opinions' thread):

If you don't think "inverted look" is default your brain doesn't work properly; the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Obviously this is true but when my 5yo daughter is looking at photo thumbnails on the computer screen and says 'go up' she gets cross when i swipe up on the trackpad to see what's higher up, which scrolls the screen down.

And yet on my phone i swipe down to scroll the screen down - exactly the opposite, but both feel perfectly natural. In the computer screen (= inverted look), conceptually I'm moving my point of view of a static information field; on the phone (= non inverted) my POV is static and I'm moving the information field. So it's not that non inverted is fundamentally wrong but it would seem like its adherents have a different conception of the game world, it's something they move around not something they move around in.

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Friday, 5 November 2021 11:35 (two months ago) link

So maybe it's phones that caused the change. Inverted look (moving up to go down) doesn't make sense when you are effectively directly manipulating the information field, and if that's your first UI experience you then apply it across the board.

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Friday, 5 November 2021 11:40 (two months ago) link

Used to be fully inverted believer but past few years for some reason I totally hate it. It was definitely initially because I'd played flight sims a lot on 16 bit computers, then first person shooters on pc it just felt right. These days though, nope, up is up and down is down for me.

sorry for splitting.

Chicks and Ducks and Geese better scurry (Ste), Friday, 5 November 2021 11:43 (two months ago) link

mouselook games were never inverted look by default were they? it was a joystick thing

ciderpress, Friday, 5 November 2021 13:40 (two months ago) link

Hmm, you maybe right. In fact the first fps game I played on pc might have been Dark Forces where I used a flight stick to control - of course it was inverted and felt right.

Chicks and Ducks and Geese better scurry (Ste), Friday, 5 November 2021 13:45 (two months ago) link

also possible that I played most of my fps and third person games on consoles, things like GTA3 etc

Chicks and Ducks and Geese better scurry (Ste), Friday, 5 November 2021 13:48 (two months ago) link

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