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“It’s even easier when you don’t care whom you kill.”

Doesn’t this passage look really odd? The one below looks better, IMO, but is the one above even acceptable?

“It’s even easier when you don’t care about whom you kill.”

Jeb, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Eh, sentence, even.

Jeb, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"It's even easier when you don't care who you kill."

Fixed!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Isn't "caring about" ambiguous here, because it could mean not having feelings for the victim rather than not caring about their identity?

Alba, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I think we're seeing a breakdown of the who/whom distinction. There are cases in which the use of 'whom', although tradionally correct, now looks a bit odd and you should use 'who' instead.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 12 October 2007 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks. I found it in this Slate piece, which is why I was a bit puzzled. =)

Jeb, Friday, 12 October 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Isn't "caring about" ambiguous here, because it could mean not having feelings for the victim rather than not caring about their identity?

Absolutely. The original one, sans the “whom,” is best.

Jeb, Friday, 12 October 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link

isn't "who you kill" a subject/predicate on its own? So who is acceptable over whom? It's been a while since I studied this stuff. I'm rusty and mostly operating by feel.

Will M., Friday, 12 October 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I only use "whom" when it's part of a prepositional phrase. "Around whom did you fanny" for instance.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 October 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

MS Office tells me this is wrong, is it?

"...this task could take an additional three or four man-hours to sort out..."

It says that I should delete the word "an." WTF?

Will M., Friday, 12 October 2007 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

MS Office is full of shit half of the time.

Pleasant Plains, Friday, 12 October 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Man, just do CTRL-A, DELETE... problem solved.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 12 October 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

WTF I JUST DID THAT YOU ASSHOLE

Will M., Friday, 12 October 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

HOW DO I MAKE IT GO BACK OH GOD IT WAS 18 PAGES LONG

Will M., Friday, 12 October 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I GUESS THAT'S 3-4 LESS MAN-HOURS

Will M., Friday, 12 October 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Funny guy.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 12 October 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

"Treatment for asthma and pulmonary disease are not identical"

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

the prob I see with using "treatments" is it no longer reads like a 1-to-1 comparison.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Add a "the" to the start?

Alba, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd keep treatment singular, but add another 'for' for clarity:
"Treatment for asthma and for pulmonary disease are not identical"

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

The treatment (singular) sits clunkily with "are" though.

ailsa, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

"Treatment ... are"?

xpost

Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm putting the s on in a query, ja

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

The treatment for asthma and that for pulmonary disease are not identical.

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I r a medical editor. Therefore you must do as I say and use 'The treatments.'

xpost jaymc I love you but that is horrible.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

yes, esp as it also has to go in a callout.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

wait asthma IS a pulmonary disease!

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Sentence is too long. Consider simply going with "Fixin' lungs is tough."

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Asthma is treated differently than other pulmonary diseases.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost jaymc I love you but that is horrible.

Well, if it were up to me, I'd probably use "treatments," but the good Dr. Morbius seemed like he wanted to avoid that.

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

"The treatment for asthma is not identical to the treatment for pulmonary disease."

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I shortened it, quincie; the other disease is actually COPD, but I didn't wnat to confuse the civilians...

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I dunno. "The love I have for Berlin and for Paris are quite different."
You wouldn't want "loves" there, would you? The second love is simply understood without being written out.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Asthma and COPD are treated differently.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

DO I WIN OR WHAT?

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

no, I can't rewrite it that much. It's not my decision, I merely (feebly) suggest. Also the AMA stylebook NEVER has the example I'm looking for, ever!

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

my mom works with COPD patients!

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Zelda, that sentence is weird either way. That "are" is like a cyst on that sentence. Why wouldn't you say something like, "I love Berlin and Paris in different ways" or something? Also, active voice, because you're talking about yourself (not as easy with the COPD/Asthma sentence since the treater of diseases is mostly irrelevant to the sentence).

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

what about my suggestion morbius

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I have no power over what the Krell -- I mean, my editor -- will decide. I've added an "s" query and moved on.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I still think the original sentence with "treatments" instead of "treatment" doesn't read unclearly, btw, Morb.

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost yay :)

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

<i>Zelda, that sentence is weird either way.</i>

Yeah, I guess you're right!

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

You really have to query something as small as that? God, I'd go nuts.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't have to; I simply don't want to decide.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Morbius the Scrivener

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

hahaha

Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

full stops at the end of bullet-pointed sentences, yay or nay?

Upt0eleven, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I say nay, unless you have more than one sentence per bullet point.

Madchen, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:51 (sixteen years ago) link

(I don't know why, other than it feels somehow right so somebody else will have to give you a proper answer).

Madchen, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link


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