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i could but i are moran who didn't really understand what you just said. (xpost)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

wow smart playlists sound fun - i'm going to make a reverse fav i think that will force me to listen to every song at least once.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

altho i am starting to, but it doesn't seem worth it!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

or use star ratings and make a smart playlist that only includes stuff rated 3-4 stars or whatevs

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

if you just listen to a "most played" smart playlist all the time you will enter a logic loop from which you may never escape.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

another iTunes metadata tip: "part of a compilation" means that the tracks are by different artists. no point using it for "best of"s of a single artist. (none that i can see)

now star ratings is something i never got into for some reason.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

most played + not in last 2 weeks,months,etc

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

giving star ratings seem a bit too gung ho

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

star ratings are good coz you can modify them on yr. ipod. so they're the only handy way for me to keep track of what i want to move up to my faves and what i want to kick off my ipod to make room for other stuff. also smart playlists on your ipod STAY smart -- i.e. if i add a rating to a song on "not rated" it falls off the playlist on my ipod.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

tho star ratings would def be the right way to make a "fave" smart list.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"star ratings are good coz you can modify them on yr. ipod"

i thought that might be it - my library is on my mac and i manually admin my mini, so i don't think i get the advantage of star rating /syncing or whatevah proper ipod stuff gives you.

no, manual admin'ing is not tedious. not with "recently added" smart lists. so ner.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

trü

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah sterling otm

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

star ratings should be replaced with a percentage value/scale of 100.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

here's some fresh madness -- http://www.smartplaylists.com/

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

god i love my folder structures 2 death.

so the ipod plugin for winamp is flawless then? the idea of itunes ws really putting me off getting one

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

mwah, share your technique!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I am kind of shocked that ken c doesn't already use smart playlists.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I am very shocked as well.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm completely fucking furious.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm insulted no one's shocked i don't use them either.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

hahahahaha, slocki.

i'm not into itunes.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

People who "love their folders" always seem to take 15 minutes to find stuff they want to play you.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, I'm kind of disgusted that you would make a playlist just for an album, if that's any consolation.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

rrobyn, you are beneath contempt.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't bother with playlists, smart or otherwise, unless I'm burning CDs. Disgust away.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

disgus

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

OK then, can anyone tell me the best way to a) import a folder of songs (i.e. an album) and b) keep the songs in the right order, without iTunes coming up with its own random, dickish order or sorting things by title or whatever. the only way i've found that keeps the sequence intact is to drag the folder directly into the playlists area. then it works. i realize i am an idiot.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i also use the albumart dashboard widget which is great b/c it doesn't keep a seperate library of art but integrates right in -- (and also lets you set star ratings w/o bringing up itunes) and then with iscrobbler and growl i get pretty albumart heads up displays every times tracks change.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

sort by "albums" (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

you have to make sure the songs are tagged properly of course

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

itunes' media library is terrible

no folder monitoring = fuck that

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Tracer, it does tend to add them in a dickish order, but if the tracks are tagged with track numbers then it's easy to make them play in the right order.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

s1ocki i never thought of that! mainly because i don't have that column visible, usually. i'm very minmal with what i show, usually just song, artist, and running time. so you're saying if i make "album" column visible, then click on that header, it will sort the songs correctly as long as the songs are tagged with that album?

i mean it all seems a bit foolish and long way round especially when the actual song files in the folder have track numbers prepended to their filenames already, but iTunes either diregards this or can't figure it out.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

no folder monitoring = fuck that

Dude, do you want it freaking out every time you download an mp3 automatically?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE DO YOU PEOPLE NOT GET THE IDEA OF METADATA?

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

FILENAMES ARE NOT A GOOD META DATA STORE TRUST ME.... DO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO 984595498 SONGS THAT BEGIN WITH "IN" BY "AT THE DRIVE"?

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

In Stockholm in 1979, Flynt coined the term meta-technology for a technology which acts transformatively on consensus determinations of reality. It was a label for an entire range of his investigations into contradiction, reality-classification of perceptual gestalts, and perceiver-percept interdependence. Meta-technology can be compared to an intellectual attack on civilization from outer space. It proved unpopular because the orientation of those who are attracted to instrumental reality-pictures (science) is careerist and mercenary.

― YOU ARE ALL LIBERAL ARTS IDIOTS (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the only reason I can even tell you and Tom's posts apart anymore on this board is that you're usually blowing your wad on computah threads and he's freaking out on movie threads. Otherwise it'd be impossible.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

e-dog, will you just live by the seat of your pants and play the songs in the wrong order? What is with you people and your ordering and your rules? Just let it go. BUT if you have everything tagged properly (A MEAN FUCKING FEAT AT TIMES) then yes, what you just said will work for what your heart is desiring.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to use the confusion...

TO MY ADVANTAGE

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is a thing of beauty and a joy forever: I spend so much time on my metadata it's, uh, really sad. I was embarrassingly overjoyed the day I realised that if you put the artist's name in as 'grouping' and sort by that, it'll automatically sort within /that/ by album (without that irritating thing where 'blahblah feat x' comes after 'blahblah' regardless of where it is in the tracklisting, and without having to keep everything sorted by album).

― permanent revolution (cis), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

iTunes tags everything properly. This has been one of the best things about filesharing in the past few years.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

yes but half the time, iTunes tagging everything properly results in chinese/japanese/korean names coming out as incomprehensible gobbledygook and not being able to find the original romanised mp3 files to check names on.

― permanent revolution (cis), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, only if the database information is correct. And if you transfer over stuff from an old computer where things weren't tagged 100% correct then it gets quite messy. also foreign language issues pop up sometimes so you have to manually change them or just let that slide...

xpost

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Windows or OS X?

I meant that it tags things properly when it rips them. It isn't iTunes fault if other programs produce bad unicode tags that it eats. It even provides options for unwrangling them.

xpost

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I get annoyed with not knowing where chinese/japanese characters fall alphabetically

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had problems with trying to use iTunes to unwrangle bad tags but OTOH as detailed many times over I have a bum computer that for some reason likes to eat its own iTunes and iPod regularly, so I don't know if this is a "my computer only" issue.

I've solved the problem by not bothering and being like "Haha suckas who download my shit can figure that out."

xpost I get annoyed when it turns up the ones that are like half in Japanese and half in English but neither in a manner that helps you figure out wtf it is!

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

worst albums so far for that kinda shit:
katamarcy damacy OST
brat 2 OST
the cowboy bebop remixes album

My problem with fixing the tags is that if I rip the album before fixing it manually in the uh rip screen it refuses to let me change the tags later. Like, it'll change it and then when I click to play the song, poof back to gobbledy-gook.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

thankfully I realized this before I ripped a couple Denki Grooves and fixed in advance but oftentimes I forget because it's not supposed to be like that :(

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

knowing where chinese/japanese fall alphabetically == why i have the groupings romanised! (also cos then i can search for things titled in chinese without all the faff of chinese input)

i think the way they sort it is hiragana/katakana a-i-u-e-o-ka-ki-ku-ke-ko etc, then by radical; so, you know, unless you happen to know the order of radicals in both languages back-to-front...

― permanent revolution (cis), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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