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i am the only person in the world over 12 who loves the Brawl

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

i think it was actually better than Uma vs Crazy 88...altho the latter certainly was superior in SOME ways (but not others)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not the only person, Steve! I thought they were aiming a little over the horizon as regards what can be done with the present technology, and for this I love them. The ramping-up nature of the scene, and the way the nature of the fight changes during it, are great, and better than the Bruce Lee "one or two at a time" of the KB fight.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

No I love that scene too, but I do have criticisms of it is all; the way it increases intensity incrementally kinda lends to growing excitement, I just think they may have tried a little too hard with it.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Uma vs the Crazy 88 may very well be one of the greatest fight scenes ever filmed, particularly for the little touches (Uma using her blade to scope out the people behind her, the windmill/foot-chopping, the silhouette scene (!!!!!!), the bannister walking, the integration of wire tricks into a quasi-realistic situation, etc etc etc). The last time I was that gleeful at an action sequence, it was the first drunken fight in "Drunken Master II". (Other notables on my list would include the pole-top fight in "Iron Monkey", the Zhang Ziyi/Michelle Yeoh showdown in "CTHT" and the highway scene in "Matrix Reloaded".)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

if you're interested in The Editing Room's version of the abridged script, check here

Suddenly, a bunch of other HUGO WEAVINGS show up. They
FIGHT to VIDEO GAME MUSIC. Despite all of the enormous
hype, it is extremely clear when the scene switches into
CGI-mode.
HUGO WEAVING
Why are you using kung fu? Can't
you jump inside us and delete us
like in the last movie? Isn't that
one of your super awesome powers?
KEANU REEVES
Nah, the only real new power I have
is flight.
HUGO WEAVING
That sucks.
KEANU REEVES
Not as badly as my appearance when
I do my little mid-air spin move
with this pole.

He fights and fights and fights and eventually gives up and
flies away....

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeh you are otm really Dan, i was just wondering how Kill Bill's fight scenes were gonna be as fun and dynamic as Reloaded's...and they were right to focus on neat little touches, anthropomorphic movements, lighting (the silhouette scene (!!!!!!) indeed)...you see Wudan for about just 3 seconds and i love it for that! it's just like 'sure he knows Wudan, check it, but be quick!'

but still there was something about it that irked - perhaps just the predictability that you knew Uma was going to kill them all. whereas with Neo and 100 Smiths, he couldn't kill them and he realised he had to fly off - this was bemusing if not entirely unexpected

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

Not as badly as my appearance when
I do my little mid-air spin move
with this pole.

this isn't as bad as everyone says - he is so minimally stylised anyway that it's hardly belief shattering that it's clearly a CGI render

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

So I got more of a thrill from the sequences where actual people are doing the work more than the CG gang bang.

rockist.

(j/k)

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

I think Kingfish's quoted bit is funny, but misses the point of the brawl. Neo is too cool/existentially dead to show it, but he has to be like, "what the fuck is going on" when Smith shows up. Not to mention when he copies himself. So, I think what's happening is that they are testing each other's powers via the fight, since each is supposed to be dead. As cheesy as the line is, the "you don't know someone until you fight them" is actually what's going on there. Unfortunately what's happened is they're both super-powered and have to delay the apocalypse until part 3, so we're left with the less-than-satisfying (though quite intentionally amusing, I think!) resolution with Neo simply saying, "aw, screw this, I'm outta here" and flying out.

rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, the difference is that the new Star Wars still suxx no matter how you want to justify it!

rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

They're saying that about the new Matrix movies as well, Rob! Hell, on this thread they're saying it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

I think Kingfish's quoted bit is funny, but misses the point of the brawl.

It was supposed to be funny?

Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

I meant Internet funny.

rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, that makes all the difference.

Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

They're saying that about the new Matrix movies as well, Rob! Hell, on this thread they're saying it!

Ha ha, good point Ned. I think even the major detractors from the nu-Matrices will acknowledge that they're trying to do *something*, either with the CG or large-form story or expanding this tenaciously balanced conceit that worked well for one film into five more hours. Even the biggest Star Wars fans have trouble figuring out what the nu-Star Wars films are trying to do beyond shift merchandise.

And I say that as someone who still has a primal reaction to Jedi fights!

rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

The funny thing is that a good slew of these positive arguments remind me of the defense of the recent Star Wars films in ways.

so otm it isn't even funny!

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

the difference between the two is that the new Star Wars are more aimed at CHILDREN, and pretty good kids films they are too I reckon.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

"I don't wanna be a Jedi!!"

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

the new Star Wars are more aimed at CHILDREN

bah. I call bullshit on this. This is lucas' attempt to dodge or deflect criticism over how his movies finally came out.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Hey steve I'm not going to make it til 7 at the earliest so sadly I can't make the pre-FX drinkies! Unless it's a shot of Jameson. Email me your # and I'll call you in case by some miracle I can make it over there sooner.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

Useful Matrix timeline, although I suppose there might be spoilers if you haven't seen animatrix? (I haven't, and none of the information seemed like spoilers, just nice background.)

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Star Wars was ALWAYS aimed more at children, irrespective of incestuous subplots and plagiarism of Kurosawa. Of course I was annoyed by several things in the prequels but I still enjoyed them very much.

Tracer i have mailed you, am unlikely to get there before 7.15 anyway so see you there.

thanks for that link btw Teeny. i watched bits of Matrix Reloaded again last night and I am still wondering who is that guy who glances forlornly at Neo as he is marched past Merovingien's table in the restaurant as Neo and co approach?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

I'll probably be able to make this now, so see you out front at 7:20-ish. Then of course beers afterwards.

I can't give you my number because I haven't got one.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

excellent (except for lack of digits)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

Delving into the underground to rescue Neo, Trinity must first battle the Merovingian (Lambert Wilson) and his consort Persephone (Monica Bellucci) in their Eurotrash disco of death. Fans will not be deprived of Trinity's bird kick, Persephone's perfectly spherical breasts, or Merv's snidely villainous "quel bon surprise!"


In short, the movie is something of a bull session until Zion's defenders strap themselves into their galumphing robo-battle machines and begin to rock and roll with the invading mindless metallic insect horde. There's a hint of Burroughsian grandeur to this cyborg-against-cyborg ballet mécanique and, at this point too, my notes began to resemble an undergraduate Burroughs imitation: BX cable squid spaghetti static electricity! Machine-gun machine-hell Armageddon!! Infernal orange and blue orgone-light tentacle vortex!!!

J Hoberman, Village Voice

The J-Hoba is the best film critic alive innit. I want his two recent books. Hardly anywhere stocks em but they all have that poindexter Anthony Lane

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

That Tony lane book is holding up remainder bookstores as we speak.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

good move watching reloaded last night--I hear this one starts precisely where the last one ended, no recap whatsoever.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

The last one ended with Jack Sparrow escaping right?

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

no it ended by zooming out from Bain's table far enough to reveal that the whole thing is taking place within a goose's mind

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

It has geese in it? Are they cod philosophising geese or tasty dinner geese?

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

oh man I'm reading some of the early reviews and they're awful. I'm talking soon to someone who saw it at a critics' preview; any questions you want me to ask them?

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

What did they dress up as for Halloween?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

Red or blue pill?

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

i don't want no spoilers. i read the first sentence of Harry Knowles review and that's enough for me (amazingly, he loved it!)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

Harry Knowles like this geek-magnet studio-fest, huh? There's a turn-up for the books.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

if he loves it there's a good chance i will. then again it could just be some kind of cheap trick.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, the timeline linked above has some obviously glaring errors - like the fact that it doesn't account for the fact that there actually were five Ones before Neo - which would mean a good few more centuries tacked on. And I think I heard the Reloaded/Revolutions is supposed to be six months after the original, not two years. Not that the difference really matters that much.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

like the fact that it doesn't account for the fact

I love my diction! < /sarcasm>

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

I just saw it. I liked it, but then again I would.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

coming out of a movie at 9:15am is surreal.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

I know, I go to early morning screenings all the time and actually I find 'em to be kind of a kick.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

the 'behold: sunlight!' when you exit is k-classic

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

raveolution

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

plus, it had the fuck scene with the metal spine holes!

Ludwig Van Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

early-morning screenings are especially great when it's a slow-moving or otherwise languorous movie. sipping on a coffee, it's a great way to wake up.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

I saw it too. I liked it. Can we declare a spoiler zone from here on down?

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

fuck it, from whom am I asking permission?

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teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

there's that other thread, but I don't like that Donald Sutherland pic.

This is now an official SPOILER ZONE!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

oops, sorry, missed the other thread. Just got back, so excited, etc.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link


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