marketing of masculinity

real men don't care about their health because their life spans are already shortened by the girth and length of their monstrous penises

yeah, the quiche book, which i place at just the right time when they were all reacting to the Alan Alda "sensitive man" vibe of the 70s. I think an early Bloom County strip mentions this explicitly.

i think so, because men are the ones who are cared for. if there is no one to care for them they will turn into animals who eat the nearest/easiest thing. you also learn from commercials that they don't care about the appearance of their living space
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the most "bro" ads that run are ads for vodka or carl's jr

seems like i've seen a number of ads for patently unhealthy food (fast food, "hungry man" dinners) that treat gustatory excess as some manly pursuit

Yeah, lotsa crossover. remember a real man eats heartily of life and has kingshit big appetites, like a brian blessed character(or just brian blessed), for food or women. health or appearance matters not. Remember, the idea here is to tamp down all conscious thought, self-examination, or any sort of internal life. Act without thinking is what is best in life.

"care, feeding, and grooming own damn self" is a virtue regardless of gender imho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFyzC4V_x-w

xx-post you realize you have basically described jabba the hutt rite

Wrangler actually makes good jeans though, for real.

lol i love that wrangler ad, nothing brutal about football concussions or brain damage in boxing, no sir

only wrnagler ads i remember are brett favre just having fun (non-professional context)

jabba ate frogs, not hungryman dinners

Will somebody explain the Alan Alda thing for me? I know he was on the show MASH but how did he become the archetype of sensitivity? I thought his character was a sarcastic asshole ?

I thought it was Wrangler that had the animated ads in the 80s, turns out it was Levis

i think we are overlooking class in our discussion here -- being unconcerned with appearances goes from ruggedly masculine to just plain boorish as you go up the ladder, for example

Alda's prominence in the enormously successful M*A*S*H gave him a platform to speak out on political topics, and he has been a strong and vocal supporter of women's rights and the Feminist Movement. He co-chaired, with former First Lady Betty Ford, the ERA Countdown campaign. In 1976, the Boston Globe dubbed him "the quintessential Honorary Woman: a feminist icon" for his activism on behalf of the Equal Rights Amendment.

http://www.google.com/search?q=alan+alda+sensitive+man

Mix of self-styling and marketing, looks like. Same as true as in any era

xp

yeah further down the class ladder if you don't dress down to your level you're some kind of weirdo (at best.) there was this guy i knew in college who wore three-piece suits every day (with pocketwatch!) and carried a leather briefcase. i'm sure every college has one guy like that. anyway, he was definitely considered weird but he was just a normal guy who liked suits.

hmm i think the alan alda guy is a descendant of the bob hope guy, but instead of a mouthy dickhead barely hanging on in a world of better men, he's a mouthy dickhead getting away with everything, cos the better men are all fakes.

lol boomers, lol writers. dream on!

let's all just agree as the greeks did that having an meekly uncircumsized penis exemplifies masculine virtue and that having an bulbous, exposed glans is strictly for slaves, foreigners, and other lowly sorts

lol omar went to school with M. White

haha comment avez-vous deviné ? ;-)

polidicks of glansing xxpost

there was this guy i knew in college who wore three-piece suits every day

there have only been a few occasions in my life in which I have been in a suit

but I kind of enjoyed it, I felt v. classy / had a spring in my step

I would probably enjoy dressing like a swingin' playboy from time to time, and I sure think the guy you described had guts to dress the way he did with the briefcase & whatnot

but as fun as it would be for me personally it just wouldn't be worth labeling myself as "that guy"

i.e. that guy who wears a three piece suit

unless I was a famous musician in which case I could possibly get away with it

this is what I would listen to if I wore khakis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8PSYorL1cE

i usually get asked why "i got all dressed up" whenever i put on a goddamn necktie. standards are that low.

The cafeteria lady at my job asked me why I was all dressed up one day. Because I'm at work!

She's incredibly good people though.

i just had lunch with a bunch of co-workers and one of them wore an oversized tweed sportcoat and everyone's like "heyyyy you got an interview or something???"

an interview....with destiny!!!

a stripper he had met the night before

every single office i've worked in, when anyone dresses up it's like "lol interview!"

"wore three-piece suits every day (with pocketwatch!)"

the pocketwatch is insane but this is otherwise standard business school attire lotsa places.

http://www.lovingit.co.uk/images/2007-07_yorkie-vans.jpg

every single office i've worked in, when anyone dresses up it's like "lol interview!"

Every time someone does that to me, I stop and say, "No, no, court appearance," and walk away. Generally, they don't bug me about it afterwards.

"i'm being tried for murder : |"

Michael White is the living example of a quote I have stuck to my wall: "I don't deserve credit for turning the other cheek because my tongue is always in it."

http://www.blogadilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/dangerousbook4boys.jpg

i know this is more kid-aimed, but it seems def like preparing for some idealized manhood

I feel ashamed for thinking it, but they really need some noms de plume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGI8IRXRqpo

Geez, what a pussy!

I always wear a tie when I'm giving a lecture. I figure if over 60 people are going to look at you for an hour, then you could make an effort.

i wear a tie when im having sex

I came out the womb wearing a tie

xx-post you realize you have basically described jabba the hutt rite

― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbf jabba was pretty pimp

Michael White is the living example of a quote I have stuck to my wall: "I don't deserve credit for turning the other cheek because my tongue is always in it."

― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha

re: "The Dangerous Book for Boys"

my kid brother has that book, and let me tell you it's boring

it mostly consists of various diagrams of swiss army knives

dangerous, hah!

i really dont care abt quiche and khakis or whatever else is supposed to signify u meaty and awesome - if men have some little coffee drink and it makes them happy im down w/that - however there are some aspects of our society which deviate from traditional stoic masculinity in a way id rather not deal with

particularly the tendency of guys my age and younger to bond over pop culture in a formal near religious manner - so much nervous energy expended over dudes making sure they have the same opinion of and know all the lines from caddyshack

and it extends beyond pop culture sharing to some wider constant checking in that i cant quite articulate rite now - like dude dude did u see that chick she was awesome rite she was awesome remember that one chick omg yes remember her ok ok - dnw this bro culture neediness

id rather gaze mysteriously toward the horizon

I'm not sure that either of those is much of a deviation from old-school manliness. Memorizing/geeking out on pop culture is a modern variation on being knowledgeable about, I dunno, hunting or how to fix a riding lawnmower or whatever. Most of society has been removed from those kinds of tasks, so the communal knowledge that gets you into the man-group has changed.

Comparing penis size (either "look how hot my wench is" or "man I want that wench, she so fine) is pretty standard in history, too.

I think an early Bloom County strip mentions this explicitly.

― kingfish, Wednesday, December 9, 2009 2:19 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remember this!