Not heard the Other People Place, Pantha du Prince or Villalobos albums from the Fact top 20. Are they that good?
And yeah, it's a great list. I love the fact that the Rolling Stone/P4K/Uncut consensus choices are scattered throughout instead of being in Lex-style indie denial so you get Wilco in there but just below Bjorn Torske.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
FACT list does stand out and is full of stuff i like/love that wouldn't get a look in elsewhere, but the persisting inclusion and high rank of over-rated 'in every other top 10' LPs still annoys. they can't win. putting both Burial albums in the top 25 just seems silly too.
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
The Other People Place album is really deep Detroit techno from a Drexciya character - I think it's good but not listened to it for years
― Dark, promiscuous five-year-old (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
poor Drexciya's 'Neptune's Lair' LP came out 10 years ago this month iirc, too late for 90s lists and too early for 00s lists (not that it would get on 99% of them anyway but its probably better than 'Lifestyles Of The Laptop Cafe' which i also do like)
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
45: ELLEN ALLIEN & APPARAT- ORCHESTRA OF BUBBLES
this is the album i'm most proud to see in the fact list - no ellen & apparat no credibility as far as i'm concerned
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
That is a great album. Surprised it didn't make the P4K list, actually. They seemed to love it at the time.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Dorian - The Pantha album is a masterpiece for 'Saturn Strobe' alone.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
It's sort of very melodic, twinkly, chimey minimal house music. Someone described it as 'glassy' over on their own thread, which is an excellent description.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
same point applies w/alcahofa for 'easy lee' and 'dexter'
― SKATAAAAAAAAAAA (cozwn), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
74 | Red Hot Chili Peppers: Stadium Arcadium
wtf
― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
no worse than putting Coldplay and U2 (all three albums ffs!) in there, more unexpected tho i guess yeah
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
xpostHaven't looked at the list yet, but if it's Rolling Stone and there's only ONE WTF, it's probably their best list ever.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Rest easy. Rolling Stone's list is full of sterling WTF moments.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, but that's not nearly as horrible as it could have been. There's no Peter Wolf, for example. Or Mark Knopfler.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
did tht chris cornell record chart yet
― SKATAAAAAAAAAAA (cozwn), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
THREE fucking Kings of Leon albums in there too.
― where are that man's pants? :-( (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
lol. ACT OF THE DECADE, obv.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
2 | The Strokes: Is This It
lol usa
― DavidM, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
as opposed to NME in the UK making it #1
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
MGMT is a fine record. Not sure it's the 18th best of the entire decade.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
It's funny--I like a lot of these records, love a few, and don't hate all that many. And yet seeing them listed like that just siphons all the joy out of music for me.
― uninspired girls rejoice!!! (Hoot Smalley), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link
^otm^
― where are that man's pants? :-( (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
If you have "all the joy" siphoned out of music by some stupid magazine printing a list, you are taking things way the fuck too seriously. These are actually pretty easy to ignore!
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Rolling Stone Top 100 albums of the 2000s
1 | Radiohead: Kid A2 | The Strokes: Is This It3 | Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot4 | Jay-Z: The Blueprint
7 | Eminem: The Marshal Mathers LP8 | Bob Dylan: Modern Times
the 2000s stopped at 2001, I see
― abanana, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
Yes, I obviously meant that I'll never be able to listen to music again and I'll never get over that list and it will haunt me for the rest of my life.
― uninspired girls rejoice!!! (Hoot Smalley), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Bob Dylan: Modern Times
This was released in 2006
― o. nate, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i got it mixed up with love and theft (#11)
― abanana, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Comparing RS top 10 and P4k rankings (in parentheses):
1 | Radiohead: Kid A (#1)2 | The Strokes: Is This It (#7)3 | Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (#4)4 | Jay-Z: The Blueprint (#5)5 | The White Stripes: Elephant (#74, White Blood Cells at #12)6 | Arcade Fire: Funeral (#2)7 | Eminem: The Marshal Mathers LP8 | Bob Dylan: Modern Times9 | M.I.A.: Kala (#22)10 | Kanye West: The College Dropout (#28, Late Registration at #18)
Seems like a lot of consensus, with the main exceptions being Eminem and Dylan.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Kanye's 4 for 4 in RS, impressive.
― dr. phil, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
from what I can tell, the RS list has one album from 2009 (may have missed some):
Phoenix - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
― Dan S, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
eminem was on the p4k list too
― scottpl, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
You could poll any time period in virtually any magazine and you'd get exactly the same trend. A pile of madrigals from 1211 and just the one from 1219.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I would like to lodge a formal complaint about the great Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? not making many best-of decade lists.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I only looked through the top 100 - I didn't see it there, but maybe it placed lower or I missed it.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
duly noted! (xp)
― LA CANCION MAS PRETENCIOSA DEL MUNDO... (The Reverend), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
complaint seconded, tho it made the p4k list iirc
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 December 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
lol at actual of montreal fan k3vin k.
― LA CANCION MAS PRETENCIOSA DEL MUNDO... (The Reverend), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
eminem was on the p4k list tooI only looked through the top 100 - I didn't see it there, but maybe it placed lower or I missed it.― o. nate, Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:38 PM
― o. nate, Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:38 PM
The Marshall Mathers LP clocked in at #119 on the P4K list.
― Marraskuu Rain (KMS), Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know if this is getting printed anywhere but I feel it is so important that you know what Lars and Kirk from Metallica's top 25s are that I am just gonna ignore that rule
Lars:01. ARCTIC MONKEYS - "Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not"02. SYSTEM OF A DOWN - "Toxicity"03. THE SWORD - "Age Of Winters"04. KINGS OF LEON - "Aha Shake Heartbreak"05. THE WHITE STRIPES - "Elephant"06. GREEN DAY - "American Idiot"07. SLIPKNOT - "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses"08. EMINEM - "The Eminem Show"09. WOLFMOTHER - "Wolfmother"10. RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - "Renegades"11. U2 - "No Line On The Horizon"12. KASABIAN - "Kasabian"13. THE MARS VOLTA - "De-Loused in the Comatorium"14. OASIS - "Don't Believe The Truth"15. QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE - "Rated R"16. SYSTEM OF A DOWN - "Mezmerize"17. ARCTIC MONKEYS - "Favorite Worst Nightmare"18. ALICE IN CHAINS - "Black Gives Way To Blue"19. THE BLACK KEYS - "Attack & Release"20. AUDIOSLAVE - "Audioslave"21. MASTODON - "Crack The Skye"22. MOTÖRHEAD - "Inferno"23. GUNS N' ROSES - "Chinese Democracy"24. THE DATSUNS - "The Datsuns"25. THE LAST SHADOW PUPPETS - "The Age Of The Understatement"
Kirk:01. RADIOHEAD - "Kid A"02. THE MARS VOLTA - "De-Loused in the Comatorium"03. SIGUR ROS - ()04. MUSE - "Absolution"05. LAMB OF GOD - "Ashes Of The Wake"06. DAMIAN MARLEY - "Welcome To Jamrock"07. MASTODON - "Crack The Skye"08. OUTKAST - "Speakerboxxx/ The Love Below"09. INTERPOL - "Turn On The Bright Lights"10. SHARON JONES AND THE DAP-KINGS - "100 Days, 100 Nights"11. SYSTEM OF A DOWN - "Mezmerize"12. THE BLACK KEYS - "Magic Potion"13. PJ HARVEY - "Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea"14. SINÉAD O'CONNOR - "Faith And Courage"15. GOJIRA - "The Way Of All Flesh"16. MACHINE HEAD - "The Blackening"17. RY COODER & MANUEL GALBAN - "Mambo Sinuendo"18. QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE - "Rated R"19. TOOL - "Lateralus"20. TOM WAITS - "Alice"21. MY MORNING JACKET - "It Still Moves"22. ALICE IN CHAINS - "Black Gives Way To Blue"23. THE SWORD - "Age Of Winters"24. PINK MARTINI - "Hey Eugene!"25. ALL SHALL PERISH - "Awaken The Dreamers"
― imo better blues (DJ Mencap), Monday, 14 December 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
dear lars, what the fuck, luv moi
kirk's isn't bad in a kinda lol indie way
― dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Monday, 14 December 2009 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
06. DAMIAN MARLEY - "Welcome To Jamrock"
!!!! <3 that album
― LA CANCION MAS PRETENCIOSA DEL MUNDO... (The Reverend), Monday, 14 December 2009 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
basically agree with lj's assessment of the two lists
In case anyone's interested, I compared the Pitchfork, NME, and Rolling Stone top 100 songs lists, and there were 58 songs that appeared on at least two of the three lists.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Monday, 14 December 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Hm. METACRITICS Best Artists Of The Decade. Interesting, tho predictable, results.
Not sure if this is appropriate for the Best of Decade Album Lists thread (it sort of fits, since METACRITICS' rating is based on METACRITIC album scores). Couldn't think of a more appropriate existing thread tho.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link
58 songs that appeared on at least two of the three lists
I've heard all but about 10 of these. I don't feel so completely out of it now.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
That MetaCritics list is just odd. It's a strange universe in which those particular artists would be measured as best of the decade. I guess their methodology is pretty transparent, but it doesn't seem to work. I think they end up making a list of critical darlings who slogged through the decade making lots of generally well-reviewed albums that never really broke through.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Here's the Metacritic Best Albums of the Decade, I don't think anyone's posted it yet:
1 SMiLE by Brian Wilson 2004 97 7.9 2 Van Lear Rose by Loretta Lynn 2004 97 9.0 3 Stankonia by OutKast 2000 95 8.4 4 Savane by Ali Farka Toure 2006 94 8.2 5 Madvillainy by Madvillainy 2004 93 8.7 6 Love And Theft by Bob Dylan 2001 93 8.8 7 Boy In Da Corner by Dizzee Rascal 2004 92 9.0 8 Elephant by The White Stripes 2003 92 8.2 9 A Grand Don’t Come For Free by The Streets 2004 91 7.7 10 Speakerboxxx/The Love Below by OutKast 2003 91 9.1 11 Canto by Los Super Seven 2001 91 8.0 12 From Here We Go Sublime by The Field 2007 90 6.5 13 Illinois by Sufjan Stevens 2005 90 8.8 14 Original Pirate Material by The Streets 2002 90 8.9 15 Alice by Tom Waits 2002 90 9.5 16 Is This It? by The Strokes 2001 90 8.6 17 Funeral by Arcade Fire 2004 90 9.4 18 London Zoo by The Bug 2008 90 6.0 19 Untrue by Burial 2007 90 7.4 20 XTRMNTR by Primal Scream 2000 90 8.7 21 Z by My Morning Jacket 2005 90 8.2 22 Since I Left You by The Avalanches 2001 89 9.3 23 Rounds by Four Tet 2003 89 8.9 24 Neon Golden by The Notwist 2003 89 9.0 25 Modern Times by Bob Dylan 2006 89 8.4 26 Miss E… So Addictive by Missy Elliott 2001 89 7.9 27 HoboSapiens by John Cale 2004 89 9.5 28 Bachelor No. 2 (or, the last remains of the dodo) by Aimee Mann 2000 89 9.4 29 Fed by Plush 2008 89 7.6 30 Last Exit by Junior Boys 2004 89 8.2 31 Merriweather Post Pavilion by Animal Collective 2009 89 8.5 32 Songs For The Deaf by Queens of the Stone Age 2002 89 9.2 33 Wearemonster by Isolée 2005 89 8.3 34 Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse 2006 89 8.0 35 Chutes Too Narrow by The Shins 2003 88 9.2 36 Yours, Mine & Ours by Pernice Brothers 2003 88 9.2 37 Hypermagic Mountain by Lightning Bolt 2005 88 6.2 38 Ta Det Lugnt by Dungen 2004 88 9.3 39 Dear Science, by TV on the Radio 2008 88 9.1 40 Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… Pt. II by Raekwon 2009 88 9.0
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess their methodology is pretty transparent
It may be transparent, but it's convoluted. Sometimes a METASCORE will be, say, 83 on 10 reviews, but only one of the reviews scores the disc at 83 or higher. Put differently, METACRITIC's special formula includes some strange weighting of scores. I still find it an invaluable website.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
xp I got some publicity email saying Kirk from Metallica named some Dengue Fever song his #2 or 3 track of the decade, but I haven't seen the rest of that list.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
The other problem is that a lot of albums get such a high rating because only 3-4 publications (in Metacritic's active list) that rated it. Whereas albums that are more widely reviewed generally get a lower average because there's more chance of dissenting opinions. Still, it makes the list plenty different from all the others.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry, i didn't realize there was a poll happening
although i assume it will end up producing a list of albums for the decade, right? which is different than what i'm trying to get at. (granted, what i'm getting at is probably easier considered with those poll results on hand.)
― alpine static, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
school of seven bells
― stoffle (||||||||), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
wrong decade
― stoffle (||||||||), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link