OMG, People Buy Records? Vinyl In The News Thread

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ok, as long as you dont ask me for my actual reasons

69, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 01:00 (nine years ago) link

i think for me it kinda boils down to "a man needs a hobby" and mine just happens to be collecting records because i love music. vinyl over CD started as a practical thing tbh, cuz when i was a little punk rock lovin teenage kid i wanted to buy 7"s by local bands and shit cuz they were cheaper than CDs, or maybe even the only available product. i still find a lot of things I love on vinyl that are not available on CD, and also the affordability is major. go buy 6 great records for $25 or whatever vs two or three CDs--things like neil young albums, prince albums, stevie wonder albums, are so available and so cheap. it's great for poor youngsters.

ian, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 15:27 (nine years ago) link

classical records for a dime! cds ain't got nothin on that.

ian, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 15:32 (nine years ago) link

some days I wish I did vinyl instead of cds, but some days i don't

justin timberlane (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 15:38 (nine years ago) link

plus who wants to buy used CDs? they always look all cruddy and beat up and you feel like an idiot paying more than a dollar for one. six dollars for a used cd? gimme a break. sell it to me for 50 cents and i might buy it. i only buy CDs at thrift stores and only if they are in pristine condition. even salvation army is too pricey. $1.99 a cd. but every once in a while i pick up some good indian music or folk/blues/classical.

scott seward, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 16:00 (nine years ago) link

i can find mint/pristine classical vinyl that is FIFTY years old for a dollar, but the snoop dog cd you want to sell me at the cd shop looks like snoop took a crap on it and you want five bucks? yhgtbkm!

scott seward, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 16:03 (nine years ago) link

you can't keep vinyl in binders, makes it harder to steal iirc.

ian, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 16:19 (nine years ago) link

except those 45 binders i guess.

ian, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 16:19 (nine years ago) link

There was a feature on CBC (Canadian News) on vinyl resurgence. There was a lot of footage taken at the record store I frequent most, and I'm pretty sure I was there when they were filming, but didn't watch the feature long enough to see if I was there.

EDB, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 02:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

my momz sent me this article in the mail. seniors no what's up:

http://www.aarpmagazine.org/lifestyle/vinyl-records-back.html

scott seward, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:54 (nine years ago) link

But here's my theory: it's the unique imperfections of each vinyl record that make it irreplaceable. After enough plays, a record becomes a fingerprint of your listening experience. Just about everyone who owned the Beatles' White Album wore the thing down to a nub. Your copy, like mine, is a crackling mess through "Cry Baby Cry"—but then it becomes a mint-condition collector's item the moment that unlistenable jumble of sounds the Lads called "Revolution 9" fades in.

fightin' words!

sleeve, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 02:35 (nine years ago) link

your copy is an individual fingerprint of your unique listening experience and sounds the exact same as mine

they are like snowflakes

dmr, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) link

hahahahaha that is a totally LOL takedown of rev#9 though by AARP

69, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 18:46 (nine years ago) link

"The cracks and the little imperfections that pop up seem to enhance the music. It's a way of experiencing music rather than just consuming it."

ffs will people stop saying this baloney

guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:52 (nine years ago) link

yeah, no one wants beat up records!

Joint Custody (ian), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:57 (nine years ago) link

i need to get another copy of this, not enough snaps crackles or pops

guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:59 (nine years ago) link

the cracks and imperfections is why I buy 85% of my music on CD iirc

ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:59 (nine years ago) link

along with the rest of the world

guammls (QE II), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:02 (nine years ago) link

cracks beat transients i guess

guammls (QE II), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:04 (nine years ago) link

tbh when i started collecting records i would buy most of my records from dollar bins, and so there was always some pops and tics and stuff, but now i pretty much won't buy a record unless it's VG+ or better. i just upgraded a Scorces LP that i've had since college but one night gouged up one side of it. So i re-bought it a few weeks back despite the $20 pricetag; it's a nice record and I'm glad to be able to listen to it w/o that tic every revolution. (revolutionary tic?)

Joint Custody (ian), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:06 (nine years ago) link

haha I remember you mentioning that on some other thread.

it's always nice to upgrade.

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:08 (nine years ago) link

thank you upgraders for throwing away perfectly listenable copies of led zep II and bitches brew in front of ace hardware.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:16 (nine years ago) link

no prob

sleeve, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:18 (nine years ago) link

the problem i have with the annoying pop/crackle romantics is they honestly believe that ALL records sound like that to some degree. that their old beat up copies of tapestry or blue were made that way. cuz that's what they've heard for so long. which is just weird. don't they have ANY memory of buying a new record and playing it for the first time?

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:23 (nine years ago) link

i guess i can understand people liking surface crackle somewhat, but pops drive me INSANE

69, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:29 (nine years ago) link

maybe people are just thinking of all the old tv shows and movies when someone puts on a victrola and they hear that crazy victrola noise. even i get a little romantic/nostalgic when i hear some barely audible recording from the turn of the century. or even when i play a 78 in good shape from the 20's. like its coming from another world. but modern records, that's different.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:44 (nine years ago) link

it's kind of like the auditory equivalent of a yule log video

guammls (QE II), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:49 (nine years ago) link

the tunes you love, plus a bonus of psychosomatic crispy ticks and buzz

guammls (QE II), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 00:51 (nine years ago) link

If the record isn't particularly beaten up, how much crackling can be removed by cleaning?
I have a discwasher bottle + brush thingy but haven't cleaned a record in years.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:05 (nine years ago) link

i use them pretty regularly, but i guess mostly it's cleaning new acquisitions -- the expedit keeps them pretty dustless...

69, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:07 (nine years ago) link

If the record isn't particularly beaten up, how much crackling can be removed by cleaning?

heaps. i have an RCM but i've taken many discs up a listening grade or two with a decent clean

mintox plus oral (electricsound), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:09 (nine years ago) link

a record with no crackle is a genuinely beautiful thing

mintox plus oral (electricsound), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:10 (nine years ago) link

what i mean is the crackle all due to accumulated filth? i get the feeling that distortion from having worn down the grooves wouldn't present so much as crackle than muddiness.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:18 (nine years ago) link

crackle is mostly dust and grot yeah, sometimes it can be pressing imperfections or due to needle damage (as opposed to play wear)

mintox plus oral (electricsound), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:19 (nine years ago) link

listening to a blue note lonnie smith record last night - late 60's deep groove heavy vinyl not a liberty pressing - it had NO surface noise whatsoever. it had never been played. it has the deepest fattest sound you can imagine. you could test a fancy stereo with it. the difference between that copy and a vg or even a decent vg+ copy? WORLDS! i could weep hearing a record like that. i bought something like 3500 records from a guy and 85% had never been played. so my jaw has been dropping on a daily basis for almost 2 weeks. seriously clean vinyl that has resisted the elements over many years that can still sound that amazing? over 40 years in a box in sheds and basements...i respect these things. they've got super powers. to mythologize a poorly kept/maintained/handled record is a slur to the technology. these things were built to last with even a minimum amount of care.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:45 (nine years ago) link

crackle just comes from somewhere else. unless it's like serious noise, it is in a different part of the room or a different part of your ears, sonically, than the music is, ordinarily. it isn't on top of it obscuring things.

schlump, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:40 (nine years ago) link

I had a good friend for whom I taped a copy of my dad's American Beauty. When she upgraded it to CD, she was disappointed by the listening experience b/c she was used to crackling on certain places (I had also put the wrong side first, fucking up the track order). I can see how this might not translate for all albums though.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:58 (nine years ago) link

Those of us who fell for the Great Lie will never fully recover. My distraught friend from the used-record store is right: we'll spend the rest of our days trying to re-create our old collections, Ancient Mariners roaming the earth, our MP3 players slung about our necks like albatrosses.

But there will be the inevitable reunions with long-lost LP friends, the rush of anticipation when the needle hits that groove, and the exquisite moment when the music plays, warm and full, punctuated with the pops and crackles of passing time.

love this guy

Fahrvergnügent (herb albert), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:56 (nine years ago) link

I just forked over a lot of money for a turntable and am not sorry. When the sun goes down, I really enjoy putting a record on while I sit in another room and read. It's nice to have a break from digital music. Not for everyone, I know.

We gave my 90-something grandmother one of those "retro" stereos with turntable and cassette deck. She said she wished she still had her old records and my mom suggested I bring some of my easy listening LPs over some day so we could listen to them. She listens to cassettes mostly.

US EEL (u s steel), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:14 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Actually quite interesting piece on the BBC site about the guy who ran Beanos in Croydon :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8507703.stm

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Monday, 15 February 2010 11:17 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

NPR's All Things Considered, today:

"Vinyl is the real deal," White says. "I've always felt like, until you buy the vinyl record, you don't really own the album. And it's not just me or a little pet thing or some kind of retro romantic thing from the past. It is still alive. United Pressing Plant is two or three blocks away from here, and they're pressing up millions of copies of vinyl every year. And people are still buying them in droves."

United has manufactured records for Motown and Music Row since it opened in 1962. These days, the old pressing machines are going full tilt. Third Man's director of production, Ben Blackwell, says he's back and forth to United on a daily basis as they collaborate on new color schemes for their limited-edition releases. United workers slice hockey-puck-shaped ingots of colored vinyl in two or three pieces and then reassemble them by hand.

"And then that puck with the labels attached is fed into the actual record press, and approximately 20,000 pounds of steam pressure compresses that puck between two metal plates, which are the negative images of your actual record grooves, so when you have a record that has grooves, these pressing plates have ridges," Blackwell says. "It really is mystifying and captivating, too. It's almost like you feel something in the room while it's happening."

naus, Friday, 30 April 2010 04:27 (nine years ago) link

would he say the same thing about a plant that manufactured coasters? because it's the same fucking thing.

god i'm tired of romance-of-vinyl crap. just get over yourselves.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 10 May 2010 11:25 (nine years ago) link

There'll be new Fred Dibnah's soon!

All marving about steam driven record pressing plants...

Mark G, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:52 (nine years ago) link

So, how are CD's selling now compared to vinyl? On the website of a major record store here they list they're top 10 sellers of the month with a note that all things listed are vinyl unless otherwise noted (and there are no notes otherwise). When exactly did vinyl start overtaking CD's?

Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:45 (nine years ago) link

still can't play vinyl in cars iirc

hobbes, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:46 (nine years ago) link

old_timey_car_with_turntable.jpg

69, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:51 (nine years ago) link

they should just start making cds the size of laserdiscs. that would be awesome.

hobbes, Monday, 10 May 2010 19:53 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

STEVE INSKEEP, host:

And today's last word in business marks the birthday of a music technology that was supposed to die. Cassettes, compact discs and MP3 players were all supposed to kill it off.

RENEE MONTAGNE, host:

But the LP, the long-playing vinyl record, is still around - making something of a comeback, in fact. Artists are releasing new songs on a format that first debuted 62 years ago today.

INSKEEP: It took years of effort to overcome technical difficulties like grooves that were too wide and poor audio fidelity. But in 1948, Columbia Records finally introduced the microgroove long-play vinyl record, which could play an incredible 22 minutes of music on each side.

MONTAGNE: And according to Wired magazine, the first released was a Mendelssohn Violin Concerto in E Minor with Bruno Walter conducting the Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra of New York.

And that's the business news on MORNING EDITION, from NPR News. I hear some music coming up there, Steve. I'm Renee Montagne.

INSKEEP: And I'm Steve Inskeep.

dmr, Monday, 21 June 2010 20:38 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUG1hXq7GHU

Sensational Howard (admrl), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:13 (nine years ago) link

here come the hot stamper

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:24 (four years ago) link

I've seen two medicine commercials with record shoppin' scenes.

Flow-through nonresident pass-through entity (los blue jeans), Saturday, 7 March 2015 04:23 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

That's rad. Feel like I could make a better one. Would anyone buy it?

schwantz, Monday, 13 April 2015 21:59 (four years ago) link

Stereo would be tough.

schwantz, Monday, 13 April 2015 22:00 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

record libraries are newsworthy now? this is a strange place in as much as it's a beautiful building containing not really all that many records:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/05/28/seoul-music-library-understage-vinyl-library/

mortal boomkat (NickB), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:54 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

aaaaaagh kill me now

"the warm and wonderful crackle of vinyl was finally fighting back against cold, compressed MP3s"

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2016/dec/09/vinyl-record-sales-up-but-indie-labels-dont-see-benefit

(article is actually OK imo)

sleeve, Saturday, 10 December 2016 16:37 (two years ago) link

In April 2015, when Sonic Cathedral joined forces with Bristol agent provocateurs Howling Owl to begin our Record Store Day Is Dying campaign, we flippantly suggested that every day should be a record store day.

hmm, where have I heard this before?

Lee626, Saturday, 10 December 2016 18:08 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

it's over, y'all

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-vinyls-boom-is-over-1500721202

sleeve, Sunday, 23 July 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

When is the "hiding your dumb vinyl story behind a paywall" boom gonna end tho

Puke and Other Poems (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 24 July 2017 02:16 (two years ago) link

Repost here (scroll down a bit):

http://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/6oxff7/why_vinyls_boom_is_over_gillian_welch_david/?st=j5gv5hhr

Lee626, Monday, 24 July 2017 11:16 (two years ago) link

https://www.channelnews.com.au/vinyl-sales-slump-quality-blamed/

In the first half of 2015, sales of vinyl records jumped 38% compared to the same period the prior year, to 5.6 million units, Nielsen Music data show.

A year later, growth slowed to 12%. This year, sales rose a modest 2%. “It’s flattening out,” says Steve Sheldon, president of Los Angeles pressing plant Rainbo Records. While he doesn’t see a bubble bursting—plants are busy—he believes vinyl is “getting close to plateauing.”

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:17 (two years ago) link

Old LPs were cut from analog tapes—that’s why they sound so high quality. But the majority of today’s new and re-issued vinyl albums—around 80% or more, several experts estimate—start from digital files, even lower-quality CDs. These digital files are often loud and harsh-sounding, optimized for ear-buds, not living rooms. So the new vinyl LP is sometimes inferior to what a consumer hears on a CD.

“They’re re-issuing [old albums] and not using the original tapes” to save time and money, says Michael Fremer, editor of AnalogPlanet.com and one of America’s leading audio authorities. “They have the tapes. They could take them out and have it done right—by a good engineer. They don’t.”

As more consumers discover this disconnect, vinyl sales are starting to slow. In the first half of 2015, sales of vinyl records jumped 38% compared to the same period the prior year, to 5.6 million units, Nielsen Music data show. A year later, growth slowed to 12%. This year, sales rose a modest 2%. “It’s flattening out,” says Steve Sheldon, president of Los Angeles pressing plant Rainbo Records. While he doesn’t see a bubble bursting—plants are busy—he believes vinyl is “getting close to plateauing.”

is this really the reason vinyl sales are slowing, that newer vinyl consumers are realizing the source is digital, not analog? i doubt it. later on it says another reason is the high cost of vinyl and that maybe seems more likely to me. people maybe getting tired of paying $30-$40 for an album

marcos, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:05 (two years ago) link

I do think more people are aware of the "4 Men With Beards" style of crap CD-sourced pressings. But I'd imagine the stupid prices factor into it as well. Also, not as cool as it used to be, thankfully.

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

(not a serious article)

sleeve, Friday, 10 November 2017 00:20 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

"This At-Home Vinyl Record Cutting Machine Could Change Mixtapes Forever"

Likely nothing more than a novelty, but a fun idea.

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/world-first-home-vinyl-record-cutting-machine-set-2020-release.html

nickn, Monday, 14 October 2019 17:03 (two days ago) link


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